Secret .mobi fan spotted and revealed!

[bwhhisc]

More fuel for discussion of the future of .mobi

http://www.ricksblog.com/my_weblog/2008/02/secret-mobi-fan.html

[jose]

"Only had that feeling a few times before."

"They may see things we don't see."

Nice...

[bwhhisc]

"Only had that feeling a few times before."
"They may see things we don't see."
Nice...
A quote that is parallel to those that see a future in IDNs...

"Open minds seize opportunities that closed minds will never see."

[touchring]

A quote that is parallel to those that see a future in IDNs...

"Open minds seize opportunities that closed minds will never see."



Sure, but he is rather closed minded about IDNs. Isn't he?

[bwhhisc]

Sure, but he is rather closed minded about IDNs. Isn't he?
Let's hope he got that one wrong :)
In reality I think he understands and sees the need but doesn't want to publically stick his neck out since he's not
investing in IDNs himself. Besides, he is already making plenty of money in ascii, as well as running his conferences, etc.

[jacksonm]

Sure, but he is rather closed minded about IDNs. Isn't he?


Once you seize an opportunity, you do whatever you can to ensure that it keeps you on top for as long as possible. What will they do, though, when a lot of the foreign traffic stops arriving? I don't know if they even care right now.

.

[yanni]

Foreign traffic won't stop arriving to ascii because of idn.

IDN will take care of local markets as well as bring fresh users to the space; all the ones who couldn't navigate the ascii namespace in the past.

[touchring]

Foreign traffic won't stop arriving to ascii because of idn.

IDN will take care of local markets as well as bring fresh users to the space; all the ones who couldn't navigate the ascii namespace in the past.


If idn browsers hit market saturation point of 95% or more, it can well replace asciis for languages like chinese, korean, japanese and arabic.

Webmasters may not even bother to register ascii domains for new sites.

Some existing websites using numeric or badly formed ascii transliteration addresses will be dumped when webmasters switch to idn.

Saturation may take sometime, maybe 4-5 years, but it can be quicker if microsoft makes ie7 compulsory for the next xp service pack.

[jacksonm]

If idn browsers hit market saturation point of 95% or more, it can well replace asciis for languages like chinese, korean, japanese and arabic.



No, we are talking about e.g. Russian type-in traffic to porno.com sharply dropping off because people will be typing in порно.com or "kom" instead, once they figure out that it has a website on it.

I do respect the opinions of others, but I also very strongly believe that this will happen.

.

[touchring]

No, we are talking about e.g. Russian type-in traffic to porno.com sharply dropping off because people will be typing in порно.com or "kom" instead, once they figure out that it has a website on it.

I do respect the opinions of others, but I also very strongly believe that this will happen.

.



Definitely, but still some way to go, won't happen so quickly. This is like global warming, happens a little at a time.

[jose]

"Only had that feeling a few times before." <- He knows better than everyone else

"They may see things we don't see." <- Others see better than him

Nice..

[Rubber Duck]

Definitely, but still some way to go, won't happen so quickly. This is like global warming, happens a little at a time.

You really do have a hypothesis for every occasion. You are of course totally wrong. When this happens, if it happens, it will happen all at once.

"Only had that feeling a few times before." <- He knows better than everyone else

"They may see things we don't see." <- Others see better than him

Nice..

Yes, maybe he is going to flog it to this 01-800-Flowers Guy for some implausibly large amount of money! :p

[yanni]

You really do have a hypothesis for every occasion... When this happens, if it happens, it will happen all at once.


Isn't yours a hypothesis as well?


As for the other comments re: porno etc., my question is: the Russian guy who knows how to get to porno dot com now, once he finds out about порно dot com, why would he stop visiting the first site as well, if he finds what he's looking for?

Double the pleasure imho :)

Now the guy who can't spell ascii porno, couldn't go there in the first place, so there's no traffic loss to anyone. It's just new traffic to Cyrillic porno.

For most holders of ascii generics, foreign traffic (depending on the origin) is mostly a nuisance, since it brings down conversion rates , more so in the adult sector.

[Rubber Duck]

Maybe, but it is a hypothesis that makes sense.

This will either happen or it won't, and it certainly won't happen in geological time.

Time is running out for IDN. If it is not moving forward in a serious manner in 12 months, most people are going to lose interest. Maybe they will just lose interest in the ICANN Root, but if you don't understand something has to give and give soon, then you don't understand anything.

Trush understands what I mean, otherwise he would not have flown from Delhi to Beijing to reassure the Chinese that Fast Track means exactly that.


Isn't yours a hypothesis as well?


As for the other comments re: porno etc., my question is: the Russian guy who knows how to get to porno dot com now, once he finds out about порно dot com, why would he stop visiting the first site as well, if he finds what he's looking for?

Double the pleasure imho :)

Now the guy who can't spell ascii porno, couldn't go there in the first place, so there's no traffic loss to anyone. It's just new traffic to Cyrillic porno.

For most holders of ascii generics, foreign traffic (depending on the origin) is mostly a nuisance, since it brings down conversion rates , more so in the adult sector.

[yanni]

This is (http://www.domainnamenews.com/category/icann-policy) why he flew there.

Time ain't running out for idn. It's getting there as it should. Slowly but surely.
Just like ascii did, in the course of the past 10 years or so.

[Rubber Duck]

This is (http://www.domainnamenews.com/category/icann-policy) why he flew there.

Time ain't running out for idn. It's getting there as it should. Slowly but surely.
Just like ascii did, in the course of the past 10 years or so.

No that has nothing to do with why he went to China. China does not need to be convinced that the US must rescind control of the Internet.

And you seem to forget that IDN has been on the move for Ten Years already!

[thegenius1]

No that has nothing to do with why he went to China. China does not need to be convinced that the US must rescind control of the Internet.

And you seem to forget that IDN has been on the move for Ten Years already!

But how long has auto updates been on the move ?

[yanni]

And you seem to forget that IDN has been on the move for Ten Years already!

Nope, it's only been moving in the last couple of years as traffic would suggest.

People can't buy a concept car. They need to wait for production.

[Rubber Duck]

But how long has auto updates been on the move ?

No, but remember that Rick and Frank were getting serious traffic virtually out of the gate, which is why they were so sure they were on the right track.

Anyway, if you want to follow bullshit Gurus like Touchring. You go ahead. He has been enticing you all to buy Silver all week, but has clearly never heard of the Hunt's. If you want to back you investment decision with that kind of expertise, stay in your little ghetto and absorb all the bullshit that is going for all I care.

[thefabfive]

Anyway, if you want to follow bullshit Gurus like Touchring. You go ahead. He has been enticing you all to buy Silver all week, but has clearly never heard of the Hunt's. If you want to back you investment decision with that kind of expertise, stay in your little ghetto and absorb all the bullshit that is going for all I care.
Nice to see you giving other opinions as much credit as you expect from yours.

Refreshing.

[thegenius1]

Touchring has nothing to with any of my investments , i just asked you how long A.U has been rolling out , and that idn has technically been in motion for 10 years but like yanni said you cant buy a concept car , so all that touchring and investment talk irrelevant.

No, but remember that Rick and Frank were getting serious traffic virtually out of the gate, which is why they were so sure they were on the right track.

Anyway, if you want to follow bullshit Gurus like Touchring. You go ahead. He has been enticing you all to buy Silver all week, but has clearly never heard of the Hunt's. If you want to back you investment decision with that kind of expertise, stay in your little ghetto and absorb all the bullshit that is going for all I care.

[Rubber Duck]

Nice to see you giving other opinions as much credit as you expect from yours.

Refreshing.

Well, ludicrous is ludicrous whichever way you cut it!

We have the same dilemma as the dot Mobi people. Big Business will either back the kinds of domains we are invested in or it won't. This is all about herd psychology. They will either stampede in our direction or they won't. They are not just going to aimlessly stroll over one at a time during the course of the next millennium.

And don't don't come back and start talking about domainers developing out the name space. That really is complete bollocks.

[yanni]

I don't think it's a question of following any gurus; it's about following instinct coupled with some experience (personal or second-hand) and some common sense, without prejudice.

You seem to want to will it to happen, while others seem to be comfortable with it's natural progression.

[jacksonm]

This is (http://www.domainnamenews.com/category/icann-policy) why he flew there.

Time ain't running out for idn. It's getting there as it should. Slowly but surely.
Just like ascii did, in the course of the past 10 years or so.


Ouch:

The bill would also allow businesses to take over generic domains if they match their business name.

.

[Rubber Duck]

Touchring has nothing to with any of my investments , i just asked you how long A.U has been rolling out , and that idn has technically been in motion for 10 years but like yanni said you cant buy a concept car , so all that touchring and investment talk irrelevant.

Most large corps have already bought into the concept. They already own the names. Many of them have even built Websites. What is missing is the offline advertising. Once that comes onstream things will move very quickly. They won't spend millions of dollars doing the big promotions for a slowly building trickle. As I said, it will either happen or it won't and if it is going to happen, it must happen soon. If you cannot see that, then you might as well go and bark at the Moon.

[thefabfive]

RD, you of all people should have definite proof that the "slowly, but surely" scenario has been playing out for the last several years.

[Rubber Duck]

RD, you of all people should have definite proof that the "slowly, but surely" scenario has been playing out for the last several years.

We have for several years been struggling to reach critical mass.

Keep piling small pieces of Plutonium on top of one another, and see what happens.

As I described here previously, it is like aligning all the tumblers of a lock. The door won't open until the last one is in place.

At some point in time, a big corporate will sanction a big spend budget, or no perhaps no corporate will ever do it. Big corporates are not going to piss about spending a few thousand on advertising here and there. If they go for IDN rebranding, they will do it big time. You will just have to wait and see, but we are not talking about maturing scotch whisky here!

[yanni]

... and if it is going to happen, it must happen soon. If you cannot see that, then you might as well go and bark at the Moon.

Which brings back memories of around the beginning of last year and your statement that April would be the "make or bust point" for idn. (obviously tying idns success to M$7)

It's been over a year now, and no bust, no make. Just natural uptake, as some of us
here in this discussion had told you we believed it would be another two to four years if not more.

[Rubber Duck]

Which brings back memories of around the beginning of last year and your statement that April would be the "make or bust point" for idn. (obviously tying idns success to M$7)

It's been over a year now, and no bust, no make. Just natural uptake, as some of us
here in this discussion had told you we believed it would be another two to four years if not more.

Well there you go defeating your own arguments again.

Until we got AU there was no "natural" uptake. It didn't start to happen until MS started forcing it.

Yes, I am about a year or two out with my estimates, because I was fed information that was about a year or two out by Microsoft. Yes, I am human. I sometimes make the mistake of listening to others and trusting them.

[yanni]

You mean your traffic was flat before then? You must be joking, right?

No-one said that ms au wouldn't help things. I'm saying it won't be an explosion of the type you're describing, any time soon.

There are more than one factors that will bring this thing around; not just ie7 for crying out loud.

As for the corporate world, let them figure out ascii/internet/advertising first, yet.

[Rubber Duck]

No you are missing the point. The thing that created the dot com type in boom was large corps advertising their sites offline with ASCII.com URLs.

IE7 is the key because A) the traffic won't resolve without it and B) the large corps won't advertise URLs that won't resolve for what should be fairly obvious reasons.

Maybe large corps have not got the Generic dot com thing, but they did get the URL advertising thing from day one. From where I am standing they seem to be less confused than you are!

You mean your traffic was flat before then? You must be joking, right?

No-one said that ms au wouldn't help things. I'm saying it won't be an explosion of the type you're describing, any time soon.

There are more than one factors that will bring this thing around; not just ie7 for crying out loud.

As for the corporate world, let them figure out ascii/internet/advertising first, yet.

RD, you of all people should have definite proof that the "slowly, but surely" scenario has been playing out for the last several years.

And yes we are seeing slow incremental growth. So far the indications for March are that we will be 50% to 100% up on February, but we are not really looking for that kind of slow incremental growth.

[jacksonm]

The thing that created the dot com type in boom was large corps advertising their site offline with ASCII.com URLs.


Funny, I always thought it was people getting fed up with search engine spam.

.

And yes we are seeing slow incremental growth. So far the indications for March are that we will be 50% to 100% up on February, but we are not really looking for that kind of slow incremental growth.

I've been seeing the same for the past 6 months now.

.

[Rubber Duck]

Funny, I always thought it was people getting fed up with search engine spam.

.

Rick was doing Domains the year that Google started out! Go figure!

[yanni]

No you are missing the point. The thing that created the dot com type in boom was large corps advertising their site offline with ASCII.com URLs.

Bull! Online PORN created the "Type-In".
Corporations created the "Internet Bubble" if you recall.

Corps are slowly getting there, but they're dragging their feet. Their online-to-print media advertising ratio could be an eye-opener for you.

Do you have any predictions for THIS April?

But, anyway, what do I know?

Just like my signature says...

[Rubber Duck]

Bull! Online PORN created the "Type-In".
Corporations created the "Internet Bubble" if you recall.

Corps are slowly getting there, but they're dragging their feet. Their online-to-print media advertising ratio could be an eye-opener for you.

Do you have any predictions for THIS April?

But, anyway, what do I know?

Just like my signature says...

Well, in that case we are screwed in most of our major markets, as Porn is going to be censored in an awful lot of them.

The only thing I really know about the Internet commerce is that the UK is outstripping the US in gross sales. Not sales per head but TOTAL sales.

[jacksonm]

Rick was doing Domains the year that Google started out! Go figure!


There was search engine spam well before Google started out!

Let's see, what the hell did I use back then? Webcrawler.com, then Excite.com...

.

[Rubber Duck]

There was search engine spam well before Google started out!

Let's see, what the hell did I use back then? Webcrawler.com, then Excite.com...

.

Yes, but I don't think you can put it Type In down to a reaction against search. It is much more likely that a lot it is down to being completely clueless!