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sarcle
2nd December 2005, 10:14 PM
I was searching through a list of names and found this beauty.

The olympics are headed beijing in 2008. I believe this domain will be huge.

I am letting someone who wants it go for it. Personally, The Olympics committee scares me.

Only thing I ask is you let us know how the traffic is.

P.S.

This phrase reaches the tops of google zeigiet list regularly.

Rubber Duck
3rd December 2005, 01:00 AM
I was searching through a list of names and found this beauty.

The olympics are headed beijing in 2008. I believe this domain will be huge.

I am letting someone who wants it go for it. Personally, The Olympics committee scares me.

Only thing I ask is you let us know how the traffic is.

P.S.

This phrase reaches the tops of google zeigiet list regularly.



Tend to agree with you. We have gone for 运动会.com which simply means Games. It is much more generic, but probably equally as useful. We also have versions with the 2008 incorporated, but that puts a sell by date on the domain.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

dnnames
4th January 2006, 07:44 AM
Tried to take it, but it seems like the traditional is taken.

holycow
19th January 2006, 10:44 PM
Actually, the common way to say olympics is just 奥运, without the last word...

duskdawn
16th April 2006, 04:10 AM
奥运会 has a higher ovt than 奥运, I would say the 奥运会 is a better and common and official choice.
It is not only hot because of 2008. Olympics is always popular in China in these 20 years, especially since China ranked the second in totall medals next to USA in 2004.

Giant
16th April 2006, 04:58 AM
奥运会 has a higher ovt than 奥运, I would say the 奥运会 is a better and common and official choice.
It is not only hot because of 2008. Olympics is always popular in China in these 20 years, especially since China ranked the second in totall medals next to USA in 2004.
I hope you are right because I own the Traditional version 奧運會.com :-). I tried to keep silent on this name but ...

Any way, if I can get the Simplified Chinese version in time for the Games, that would be really really great. Any idea? Can I petition ICANN for this?

duskdawn
16th April 2006, 07:23 AM
I hope you are right because I own the Traditional version 奧運會.com :-). I tried to keep silent on this name but ...

Any way, if I can get the Simplified Chinese version in time for the Games, that would be really really great. Any idea? Can I petition ICANN for this?

So why did you reg the traditional one? Because the simplified one is officially reserved? I thought i cannot reg the simplified one because the tradition one is taken?
I am still confused with some basic rules in Chinese IDN registration.:confused:

touchring
16th April 2006, 07:40 AM
So why did you reg the traditional one? Because the simplified one is officially reserved? I thought i cannot reg the simplified one because the tradition one is taken?
I am still confused with some basic rules in Chinese IDN registration.:confused:


The rule is very simple - Verisign only allows you to take one variant of a Chinese character, either Simplified, Traditional or Japanese variant.

Their variant lookup table, however, is not complete, so in some cases (maybe 1% of all cases) you can take both versions.

duskdawn
16th April 2006, 04:17 PM
The rule is very simple - Verisign only allows you to take one variant of a Chinese character, either Simplified, Traditional or Japanese variant.

Their variant lookup table, however, is not complete, so in some cases (maybe 1% of all cases) you can take both versions.

Then I hate to say this but why he took the traditional one? What a huge market he missed.:rolleyes:
And another thing, will the other two variants be forwarded to the one regged? This makes more sense.

touchring
16th April 2006, 04:43 PM
Then I hate to say this but why he took the traditional one? What a huge market he missed.:rolleyes:
And another thing, will the other two variants be forwarded to the one regged? This makes more sense.


Ducky mentioned the possibility that Verisign may implement a system that allows variant owners to register the other variant - but they have to sort out cases where there are 3 variants, 2 of which owned by different people, and the 3rd is blocked.

kenne
16th April 2006, 04:44 PM
Ducky mentioned the possibility that Verisign may implement a system that allows variant owners to register the other variant - but they have to sort out cases where there are 3 variants, 2 of which owned by different people, and the 3rd is blocked.

:o

Drewbert
16th April 2006, 05:08 PM
>Personally, The Olympics committee scares me.

Vicious defenders of their non-coined TM, I'm afraid.

Giant
16th April 2006, 06:53 PM
Ducky mentioned the possibility that Verisign may implement a system that allows variant owners to register the other variant - but they have to sort out cases where there are 3 variants, 2 of which owned by different people, and the 3rd is blocked.
If you have heard of RFC 3743 you should know that Chinese or Japanese domains are registered as a package including all its variants. When you delete or transfer, you delete or transfer a whole package of variants.

I think ICANN already adopted RFC 3743 or JET Guidelines, that's why Verisign had to change the registration method for IDNs in 2004. Before that, there was no blocking at all.

My question now is when will they allow us to register the other variant(s).

James Seng was working with JET Guidelines.

touchring
16th April 2006, 06:57 PM
If you have heard of RFC 3743 you should know that Chinese or Japanese domains are registered as a package including all its variants. When you delete or transfer, you delete or transfer a whole package of variants.

I think ICANN already adopted RFC 3743 or JET Guidelines, that's why Verisign had to change the registration method for IDNs in 2004. Before that, there was no blocking at all.

My question now is when will they allow us to register the other variant(s).

James Seng was working with JET Guidelines.


Well, you can always email Verisign to ask if they would allow you to register the other variant.

Giant
16th April 2006, 07:00 PM
>Personally, The Olympics committee scares me.

Vicious defenders of their non-coined TM, I'm afraid.

No, 奥运会 is not a trademark. I think 奥林匹克 (Olympic) is.

奥运会 is like "O-games" in English.

dnnames
18th April 2006, 09:59 AM
Ah so you are the person hording all the good names. I see your whois info so many times....

Giant
18th April 2006, 03:08 PM
Ah so you are the person hording all the good names. I see your whois info so many times....

Not a lot, I have only 2k Chinese domains, probably 1% of the Chinese good terms. The one that owns most of the good names is TDC, at least 20 times more than me.

I saw your name show up many times too! :-)

jecyxing
4th June 2006, 06:53 AM
Well, you can always email Verisign to ask if they would allow you to register the other variant.


is it a way to register successfully ?

pspdropship
29th August 2007, 05:39 AM
it seems it's reserved by the olympics committee for i failed to register it and no whois information available...

Asiaplay
29th August 2007, 07:46 AM
I noticed Chinese search engines seem to translate search terms typed in as Traditional Chinese automatically into Simplified text / version (e.g. Baidu does this).

Question is:-
a) Do they also do this for Chinese IDNs as well (auto translate / recognise they are the same meaning as the simplified)?
b) Does resolution using a "browser" also default to the simplified (if traditional is typed in)?
If so, then perhaps it will still be ok - just a little of a pity you chose the Traditional form of this particular domain I agree.

Any thoughts anyone?

Cheers, Asiaplay

PS: guys.. there is nothing wrong as to why you can not register (those of you trying and wondering why you can not register the simplified version).

Most of the time as Touchring pointed out - they will only allow one version to be registered and 99.99% of the time block the other (I suspect it will be a long time to almost never, before they allow both to be registered separately, except in the very small number of cases where they have already made the mistake as their tables were in error). This is also true for the .tw and .hk names - one must choose which variant (but by default gets both and both resolve).

Giant
29th August 2007, 03:50 PM
I Question is:-
a) Do they also do this for Chinese IDNs as well (auto translate / recognise they are the same meaning as the simplified)?

Not for domain names. Hanzi domains are more complicated than just Simplified and Traditional.


... - just a little of a pity you chose the Traditional form of this particular domain I agree.

Not that I chose, I had no other choice. IDN domaining is more "tricky" than you think.


Most of the time as Touchring pointed out - ....
Who? The "economist" who's always right on U.S. economy? :)

touchring
29th August 2007, 04:17 PM
PS: guys.. there is nothing wrong as to why you can not register (those of you trying and wondering why you can not register the simplified version).

Most of the time as Touchring pointed out - they will only allow one version to be registered and 99.99% of the time block the other (I suspect it will be a long time to almost never, before they allow both to be registered separately, except in the very small number of cases where they have already made the mistake as their tables were in error). This is also true for the .tw and .hk names - one must choose which variant (but by default gets both and both resolve).


I did check with the director from verisign, the variant block is a permanent thing, there's no way you can swap a traditional version with a simplified version, unless you delete or drop the name, and then it's for all to catch. :o

In such a case, snap will probably get the traditional version before you can register the simplified version, whatever API u use.

Asiaplay
29th August 2007, 06:13 PM
Not that I chose, I had no other choice. IDN domaining is more "tricky" than you think.

Dare I ask what this means - and whose the guy with the dark long coat in the corner... haha ;) :)

Just one very interested thing I did notice however - did you see the number of views on this thread compared to others (either their are a 1000 new members just waiting to join us here in idnforums (but little shy) or this term is being searched and hit on like crazy... never seen a new thread here, with so many hits in here, in such a short time!!!).

So suggests - what the heck on if it is Traditional or not - it is presently a useful term... so I guess it is now time for me to hit that link and check what you are doing with this IDN...

Cheers & good luck with developing / etc. of this IDN - Asiaplay

jacksonm
29th August 2007, 06:46 PM
Just one very interested thing I did notice however - did you see the number of views on this thread compared to others (either their are a 1000 new members just waiting to join us here in idnforums (but little shy) or this term is being searched and hit on like crazy... never seen a new thread here, with so many hits in here, in such a short time!!!).

This thread was started in 2005.

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Asiaplay
29th August 2007, 06:57 PM
This thread was started in 2005.

.

opps - thats explains it then - lol...
hahaha (damn must be the oldest thread ever pulled up...) - cheers & I will shut up now lol... Asiaplay

touchring
30th August 2007, 03:18 AM
At that time in oct/nov, a lot of good chinese names were still available for registration, names that will go for a few hundred to a few thousands if snap were to catch them today. :o

burnsinternet
30th August 2007, 03:37 AM
The good old days....

Giant
30th August 2007, 04:02 AM
Then I hate to say this but why he took the traditional one? What a huge market he missed.:rolleyes:

Humans are not always smart :-)

touchring
30th August 2007, 04:50 AM
Humans are not always smart :-)


The variant block doesn't always work all the time. So probably that guy registered the trad version when the simp version was taken. Then the simp version was dropped (no renew) and blocked.

Drewbert
30th August 2007, 05:01 AM
Yes. That is probably what happened.

touchring
30th August 2007, 05:08 AM
Yes. That is probably what happened.


They probably using an early version of windows vista for the blocker program. LOL.

mulligan
30th August 2007, 07:28 AM
Well heres 2 I picked up the other day (Though someone has said they are no good but someone else has registered the .net and the .cn .. which I don't understand ... Them being no good an all)

Simplified version -- 译者.com (xn--zw0ao5v.com)
Traditional version -- 譯者.com (xn--zw0as7u.com)

Giant
30th August 2007, 11:45 AM
Well heres 2 I picked up the other day (Though someone has said they are no good but someone else has registered the .net and the .cn .. which I don't understand ... Them being no good an all)

Simplified version -- 译者.com (xn--zw0ao5v.com)
Traditional version -- 譯者.com (xn--zw0as7u.com)

These are the names I dropped, may be one of them. its meaning is "the translator". People don't search this term much, but it can be very brandable if you use it correctly.

I concentrated on my other work in the last 5 months and didn't even have time to take care of my domains. My business partner at home was supposed to renew all my names, but he forgot to do so. I have dropped a few hundred names.

I am still doing a lot of travelling. Life is a journey, and I am so enjoying the journey and somewhat forget life's destination.

Cheers!