Scammed Domain Names

[aladinonl]

Hi all,

I'm sorry if this is not the right place. Feel free to move my thread to where you see fit.

I was just scammed yesterday by someone who claimed to be David Cramp. His email address and paypal account is dave.cramp@ntlworld.com. His name.com account is 185594-abc0771

After I transfered the domains to him, he claimed the payment back with a dispute. Never receive a word from him so far. Now my money is on hold and my domains are gone!

My purpose at this thread is to list all the domains that I was scammed. If someone approach you to sell these names to you, please aware that you might be the next victim or you will buy scammed names and might got yourself trouble. Instead, tell straight to his face: "Get off! Scammer!" and inform the forums admin to ban the scammer.

Name.com and paypal are looking into it. To my experience, name.com always stand up for its customers. I hope I can close this thread soon.

Here is the list of scammed names:

SlimmestIpod.com
SlimmestMac.com
ConductorTrade.com
ConductorImport.com
ConductorExport.com
ConductorSales.com
WholesaleConductor.com
RetailConductor.com
HanoverTourism.com
HannoverTrip.com
HanoverTrip.com
HannoverTourism.com
24hDate.com
24hMeet.com
24hDating.com
HeadDir.com
ConductorLink.com
ConductorMarket.com
24hOnlineMall.com
24hBeauty.com
ItDine.com
FrDine.com
BrDine.com
UkDine.com
Baydb.com
Beachdb.com
Islanddb.com
SparklingDubai.com
ConductorSolution.com
ConductorWorld.com
SmartConductor.com
CashInstinct.com
BankruptRescue.com
BankruptRelief.com
GallopSales.com
GallopIncome.com
16Diary.com
Dear16.com
24HrBeauty.com

Thank you.

[phio]

That sucks, what I say when I sell a domain is: please wait 3-5 days for your paypal payment to clear before I transfer the name(s) to you. Especially if it is greater than 100 bucks. If they are legit they will wait. 5 days or more is best.

[Rubber Duck]

My favorite is BankruptRescue.com. Most of the rest are worth buttons. Indeed, there are a few TM infringements which would mean you are not the legitimate owner anyway.

[aladinonl]

That sucks, what I say when I sell a domain is: please wait 3-5 days for your paypal payment to clear before I transfer the name(s) to you. Especially if it is greater than 100 bucks. If they are legit they will wait. 5 days or more is best.
Hi phio, it doesn't help as I know. paypal allows buyer to claim payment back in 60 days after transaction.

[bwhhisc]

Hi phio, it doesn't help as I know. paypal allows buyer to claim payment back in 60 days after transaction.

If you are a member post up at DNForum, this has happened to many members there and you might get some good advice. Possibly your best option is to see if your registrar will put a hold on the names before he can transfer them out. For the small amount of money it costs, sometime just better to use escrow.com if you don't know the other party.

[later777]

That was a small amount, it seems
http://www.acorndomains.co.uk/top-level-domain-names-sale/45070-year-end-domains-firesale-grab-now.html
Some tips for PayPal, not sure if this works.

[aladinonl]

"If you are a member post up at DNForum, this has happened to many members there and you might get some good advice. Possibly your best option is to see if your registrar will put a hold on the names before he can transfer them out."
Geez, now i understand why the scammer tried to get the deal done at weekend, so victim's appeal to registrar is delayed to next week.

[bwhhisc]

Geez, now i understand why the scammer tried to get the deal done at weekend, so victim's appeal to registrar is delayed to next week.

The domain names should still be at the registrar on Monday, but I would get off emails to them ASAP, and be ready to call their phone number when they open Monday morning so you can hook up with one of their staff persons to assist. Let us know how it turns out and good luck.

PS- While you here, maybe worth some time to read up on IDNs, review ICANN 2009 budget etc. IDNs should be a whole lot better investment potential than the current available "reg fee" ascii names. Maybe your visit here will turn out to be good karma for you. ;)

[aladinonl]

I already emailed name.com twice with some updated information. I'm afraid it will take them times to look through piles of emails after the weekend. So, your advice is very very helpful. I'll call them tomorrow. Thanks bwhhisc.

I just don't really get why "The domain names should still be at the registrar on Monday" though.

About IDN, i'll follow your advice. I currently still hesitate about idn.

[ilovedomains]

people on this forum can be helpful if you have been scammed

" blackhatworld.com "

[alpha]

report it here: http://www.domaintheft.org/

[bwhhisc]

I currently still hesitate about idn.

Ancient proverb: "He who hesitates is lost".

Meaning: A person who spends too much time contemplating what to do may miss a valuable but fleeting opportunity.

This will prove to be very true in he case of IDNs. ;)

[touchring]

Nowadays, the positive correlation between risk and gains has turned upside down.

Often, the lower the gains, the higher the risk! Structured products, ponzis are all low gains and high risk stuff. Your odds are better if you play roulette at the casino.

The latest, wealthy investors that invested in Madoff's supposedly exclusive and low risk, and also low yield fund, lost all their money, and their client's money, and maybe even their folk's money. Many threw in everything.

And the biggest ponzi of all -> retirement and pension funds.

[Rubber Duck]

Nowadays, the positive correlation between risk and gains has turned upside down.

Often, the lower the gains, the higher the risk! Structured products, ponzis are all low gains and high risk stuff. Your odds are better if you play roulette at the casino.

The latest, wealthy investors that invested in Madoff's supposedly exclusive and low risk, and also low yield fund, lost all their money, and their client's money, and maybe even their folk's money. Many threw in everything.

And the biggest ponzi of all -> retirement and pension funds.

That don't worry me none. I wasn't ever keen to hand the money over in the first place.

But the real Ponzi scheme of all time is the dollar, although, they probably will raid your pension pot to pay of the foreign debt.

There is a lot of talk about the risk of inflation, but the frankly for some countries that is the only feasible escape route, to inflate the debt away. However, that will also mean that many pensions just get inflated away at the same time.

[Rubber Duck]

Ancient proverb: "He who hesitates is lost".

Meaning: A person who spends too much time contemplating what to do may miss a valuable but fleeting opportunity.

This will prove to be very true in he case of IDNs. ;)

Yep, if people had followed my advice and sold the home by moving the family into a trailer park and invested the money in IDN, the would be sitting pretty now. Instead, we see them weeping over ASCII portfolios you wouldn''t sweep up with the yard broom!

[phio]

Nowadays, the positive correlation between risk and gains has turned upside down.

Often, the lower the gains, the higher the risk! Structured products, ponzis are all low gains and high risk stuff. Your odds are better if you play roulette at the casino.

The latest, wealthy investors that invested in Madoff's supposedly exclusive and low risk, and also low yield fund, lost all their money, and their client's money, and maybe even their folk's money. Many threw in everything.

And the biggest ponzi of all -> retirement and pension funds.


To hear it straight from the horses mouth: http://solari.com/blog/?p=1912

[aladinonl]

Oh the thread is moving in a different direction. Feel free. I just want to update you some new information.

I did have a second thought that the email and paypal account was hacked. But it seems that is the guy. You'll see when you read along this post.

This is my investigation on this guy Dave Cramp.

1. The scammer joined the domain forums acorndomains.co.uk on Nov 21 2008 under username Get+1. He used email and paypal account dave.cramp@ntlworld.com under the name David Cramp.
He approached me on 18 Dec 2008.
He scammed me on Saturday , 20 Dec 2008.

2. ntlworld.com is redirected to Virgin Media website, virginmedia.com
In order to have Virgin Media email account, you have to be a customer in the UK.

3. Googling the email address, besides all my threads, there is one lead to British VW Clubs, http://www.abvwc.org.uk/NorthClubs.htm

4. This leads to North East Club, http://www.thenortheastvwclub.co.uk/

Dave Cramp is the secretary of this club. His information found on this website includes 2 email address: dave.cramp@ntlworld.com and dave@thenortheastvwclub.co.uk
His location is Billingham, Cleveland, an area at North East England.
His North East Club forums username is Rusty.

5. Rusty's latest posts on forums was Sunday, Dec 21 2008 4:48 pm
There was a gap of Rusty's forums activity from Dec 14 to Dec 21.
I checked all his posts as far back to April 2008, no mention of a stolen email incident.

Until this point, there is no evidence of stolen account and it seems the guy Dave Cramp I'm chasing is indeed the fraudster.

To take further step to protect an innocent man who might be hacked, I'm thinking of emailing Virgin Media and VW North East Club to confirm if there is any stolen email account.

The whois record of my domains is still:

Katie Kam
wooster #15 rooster
WOOSTER
FL
42421
US
Phone: +1.9133151224
Email Address: bcdomain69@gmail.com

[aladinonl]

Hi guys,

Follow my previous investigation on Dave Cramp, I now look carefully at activities of the scammer (Get+1 on AcornDomains forums) and Dave Cramp (Rusty on North East VW Club forums).

Below is the table of activity for each. The blank at each line indicates no activity (gap of activity to do something else)

Scammer Dave Cramp
dd-mm-yyyy mmm dd, yyyy

Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:48 pm
Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:37 pm
20-12-2008, 04:49 PM
18-12-2008, 09:06 PM
Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:23 pm
13-12-2008, 04:31 PM
13-12-2008, 01:46 PM
09-12-2008, 10:17 PM
08-12-2008, 03:10 PM
Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:33 am
Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:32 pm
01-12-2008, 09:02 PM
01-12-2008, 08:59 PM
01-12-2008, 12:06 PM
28-11-2008, 08:48 AM
25-11-2008, 08:19 PM
22-11-2008, 08:40 PM
22-11-2008, 06:45 AM
21-11-2008, 09:18 PM
21-11-2008, 06:26 PM
21-11-2008, 04:17 PM
Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:56 pm

As you can see very clearly. The date Get+1 was active on AcornDomains, Dave is inactive on VW and vice versa.

What does it mean? I don't have to say. You can draw that yourself.

I'll take a look at lili john who was the scammer using the same trick back in april, may 2008 to see if there is any link with this Dave folk. Stay tuned.

[Rubber Duck]

I used to work in for Cleveland County Council.

If you are going after the criminal fraternity up there, you will need to be street wise or you will end up in the Tees.

The whole of Teesside was built on Steel and Industrial Chemicals. Billingham is one of the most depressing places on the planet. Amongst other things, it is the home of UK Cyanide production. As you can imagine, the people there have a slightly different outlook on life than much of the rest of the country.

[aladinonl]

I can't find the edit tool, so i have to make a new post.
This is a more detailed activity table.

Scammer Dave Cramp
dd-mm-yyyy mmm dd, yyyy
Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:48 pm
Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:44 pm
Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:37 pm
20-12-2008, 04:49 PM (day of scam)
18-12-2008, 09:06 PM (day of approach)
Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:23 pm
13-12-2008, 04:31 PM
13-12-2008, 01:46 PM
09-12-2008, 10:17 PM
08-12-2008, 03:10 PM
Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:33 am
Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:27 am
Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:58 pm
Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:38 pm
Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:32 pm
01-12-2008, 09:02 PM
01-12-2008, 08:59 PM
01-12-2008, 12:06 PM
28-11-2008, 08:48 AM
25-11-2008, 08:19 PM
22-11-2008, 08:40 PM
22-11-2008, 06:45 AM
21-11-2008, 09:18 PM
21-11-2008, 06:26 PM
21-11-2008, 04:17 PM (day of registration)
Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:56 pm
Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:53 pm
Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:52 pm
Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:51 pm
Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:34 pm