Just lost a .cn domain

[phio]

I just lost a .cn domain to CNNIC, it was probably too sexy in nature, but it had really high searches from within China.

So in case anyone is wondering about the laws in China re: Domains:

ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR .CN REGISTRATIONS.

Indemnification. You agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless CNNIC, NeuLevel, Inc., and their directors, officers, employees, representatives, agents, affiliates, and stockholders from and against any and all claims, suits, actions, other proceedings, damages, liabilities, costs and expenses of any kind, including without limitation reasonable legal fees and expenses, arising out of or relating to Your (i) domain name registration and (ii) use of any .cn domain name. You agree that this indemnification obligation shall survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement.

.CN Use Restrictions. You acknowledge and agree that You may not register or use a .cn domain name that is deemed by the China Internet Network Information Center ("CNNIC") to:

(i) Be against the basic principles prescribed in the Constitution of the People's Republic of China ("PRC");

(ii) Jeopardize national security, leak state secrets, intend to overturn the government, or disrupt the state of integrity of the PRC;

(iii) Harm national honor and national interests of the PRC;

(iv) Instigate hostility or discrimination between different nationalities, or disrupt the national solidarity of the PRC;

(v) Violate the PRC's religion policies or propagate cult and feudal superstition;

(vi) Spread rumors, disturb public order or disrupt social stability of the PRC;

(vii) Spread pornography, obscenity, gambling, violence, homicide, terror or instigate crimes in the PRC;

(viii) Insult, libel against others and infringe other people's legal rights and interests in the PRC; or

(ix) Take any other action prohibited in laws, rules and administrative regulations of the PRC.

Collection of Registration Information. You acknowledge and agree that Dynadot has requested certain information from You during the .cn domain name registration process in order to meet CNNIC and NeuLevel, Inc., requirements, and that You have willingly volunteered such information. You acknowledge and agree that such information will be shared with CNNIC and NeuLevel, Inc.

.CN Enforcement of Accurate WHOIS Data. You agree that Dynadot has the right to accept written complaints from third parties regarding false and/or inaccurate WHOIS data. You agree to comply with any regulation concerning the accuracy of WHOIS data, or enforcement of any such regulation, that may exist between Dynadot and NeuLevel, Inc.

.CN Transfer Restrictions. You acknowledge and agree that You may not transfer a .cn domain name registration to or from a domain registrar that is headquartered, or controlled by an entity located, inside China.

.CN Privacy Restrictions. You acknowledge and agree that You are not permitted to purchase or use Domain Privacy service in connection with any .cn domain name registration.

.CN Representations. You represent that, to the best of Your knowledge and belief, neither the registration of the domain name nor the manner in which it is directly or indirectly used infringes the legal rights of any third party.

.CN Jurisdiction. For the adjudication of disputes concerning or arising from use of the domain name registered, You shall submit, without prejudice to other potentially applicable jurisdictions, to the jurisdiction of the courts of (1) Your domicile state, (2) Dynadot's domicile in California, and (3) the People's Republic of China.

.CN Reservation of Rights. You agree that Your domain name registration shall be subject to suspension, cancellation, or transfer pursuant to any NeuLevel, Inc., or CNNIC adopted specification or policy, or pursuant to any registrar or registry procedure not inconsistent with a NeuLevel or CNNIC adopted specification or policy, (1) to correct mistakes by Dynadot, NeuLevel, Inc., or CNNIC in registering the domain name or (2) for the resolution of disputes concerning the registered domain name. CNNIC and NeuLevel, Inc., reserve the right to "hold", deny, cancel, or transfer any registration that they deem necessary, in their sole discretion. You acknowledge and agree that Dynadot shall not be liable to You or any other party in connection with claims, damages, losses, expenses or costs incurred or suffered by You as a result of actions taken or not taken by CNNIC or NeuLevel, Inc., or other third parties.

CNNIC Dispute Resolution Policy. You agree to obey, comply with, and be bound by the CNNIC Dispute Resolution Policy (located at http://www.cnnic.net.cn/ruler/20.shtml and http://www.cnnic.net.cn/doc/e-10.shtml, respectively) and any and all revisions which may be made from time to time by CNNIC at its sole discretion.

An additional Note:


Article 29

The domain name holder shall comply with the laws, rules and administrative regulations of the state concerning the Internet.

In case any violation of legal rights and interests are caused by registering or using certain domain name, the domain name holder shall take the responsibility.

[gammascalper]

(i) through (ix) can cover any domain if they wanted it to. I guess yours fell under (vii). Bummer.

The irony is that there's a rub 'n' tug joint on many street corners in major cities. Chinese gov't are very tolerant in that way.

[phio]

(i) through (ix) can cover any domain if they wanted it to. I guess yours fell under (vii). Bummer.
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Better now, than later -- if it had been developed.
It was parked at dd rev parking and I don't think it got one hit.

[markits]

CNNIC should really buy the domain from you the legal registrant. Unfortunately, they simply take it away from you. Is this an indication that .cn is not safe (as discussed in the past)?

[gammascalper]

CNNIC should really buy the domain from you the legal registrant. Unfortunately, they simply take it away from you. Is this an indication that .cn is not safe (as discussed in the past)?

IMO the major sites will have no problems with IDN.CN. I'm a big believer in it.

It's the little guy who doesn't develop, has no ICP, and who has no 关系 who has to worry.

[alpha]

IMO the major sites will have no problems with IDN.CN. I'm a big believer in it.

It's the little guy who doesn't develop, has no ICP, and who has no 关系 who has to worry.

I know there are some die-hard .cn fans here.. but whichever way you try and spin this; this sort of thing is the death-knell for any sort of domain aftermarket in idn.cn

over time we will find that even the "valuable" domains will hit a ceiling in value, beyond which it becomes too risky to pony up larger sums of $.

agree with Gamma, that developed sites will have a greater deal of protection - but most domainer-domainer action is done on undeveloped sites.

[JamesZ]

I know there are some die-hard .cn fans here.. but whichever way you try and spin this; this sort of thing is the death-knell for any sort of domain aftermarket in idn.cn

over time we will find that even the "valuable" domains will hit a ceiling in value, beyond which it becomes too risky to pony up larger sums of $.


For those foreigners who do not understand how things work there, it is true. But big money will not come from foreigners anyway.

[mulligan]

For those foreigners who do not understand how things work there, it is true. But big money will not come from foreigners anyway.

When the chance of the domain being taken away is a very real possibility who is going to pour money into .cn?

I can assure you there is plenty of 'foreign' money looking for a home ... .cn is not where it's going though.

[Wot]

"it was probably too sexy in nature,"

Easy enough to ignore but even Phio thinks that it broke the rules!

Me, I am more than happy for those that say .cn won't fly, more opportunity for me and the other .cn' ers.

There are quite a few top Chinese idners on this forum and some great portfolios-many premium idn.cn included- are they all wrong too?

I am currently in Shanghai, on the way to Beijing later today. Has been only one year since I was last in China and oh boy - the west, particularly the US is becoming an also ran. :eek:

My travelling companions are finding it difficult to change US$ - China has too many already!


Have I seen IDN, yes- .com- oh- and .cn. :)

[mulligan]

I'm not saying they won't fly, just that for me they are too risky to pay anything more than reg fee for them, regardless of the domain.

Specially with the myth that was perpetrated on this forum that if you 'owned' a .cn for a certain amount of time (15 days?) you were safe.

[domainguru]

Let's face it, all registries have T&Cs + dispute resolution policies, and the ccTLDs tend to be way more restrictive than gTLDs. Its just increased risk that you need to factor in.

It certainly won't kill the secondary market in a ccTLD, but if relatively "normal" domains were ever "seized" by a ccTLD registry / government, it could easily have a devastating effect on resale prices. As we have seen with the collapse of the world financial system, confidence can be everything.

The truth is, you never own domains. But how close you get to owning them is registry-dependent.

"lessee beware" (don't know how to translate that in Latin, its a tricky one, sorry).

[blackops]

this sort of thing is the death-knell for any sort of domain aftermarket in idn.cn

Hardly... You can't take an isolated incident, and make a sweeping conclusion like this because of it. There are many occasions where .com domains have been taken away from people by Verisign.

Things are, culturally, a little different in China. But then, everyone already knows that.

[mulligan]

Culturally things are a little different if you step outside your front door ... That's not really the point ...

People came to this forum with the claim that if you 'owned' an IDN.cn for more than 15 days you were 'safe' .. this turned out to be bullshit.

btw, it's not an isolated incident .. Just ask the losing registrants.




Hardly... You can't take an isolated incident, and make a sweeping conclusion like this because of it. There are many occasions where .com domains have been taken away from people by Verisign.

Things are, culturally, a little different in China. But then, everyone already knows that.

[domainguru]

When has VeriSign "taken .com names back"? I think my memory is getting a little rusty...

[blackops]

People came to this forum with the claim that if you 'owned' an IDN.cn for more than 15 days you were 'safe' .. this turned out to be bullshit.

One or two people tell you this, and they now form your 'global' view on this issue?! :o The truth is, CNNIC are probably far more honest and upfront than "Verisign"; they say, very clearly "no porn", the situ with Netsol/Verisign however is a little more insidious...

Speaking from my own experience, in 1996 I successfully regged 4 extr. generic 'adult' names in .com. They had taken my money, and I was going to hold on to them for a while until I decided what I would do with them. Then, after a day or two, I got an email and call from Netsol/Verisign saying they couldn't be registered due to their adult (and arguably offensive) nature.

Naturally, I was very disappointed and did consider legal action but in the end I thought "ok, fair enough". After all, the names were perhaps a little too 'racy'...

Three months later, I checked to see if the names could still be regged and was expecting to either see that they were still showing as available to reg (only for some poor soul to later find out they couldn't be) OR that Netsol/Verisign had put up a message saying they couldn't now be regged.

BUT, what did I see?..

I was utterly shocked to see that ALL 4 names had a registrant! Worse still, I typed in the names to see fully fitted-out sites, all on a theme, and all highly professional. I checked again some weeks later, and the situ was the same.

I'm sure mine is not an isolated case either...

[mulligan]

I'm seriously not interested in your Netsol/Verisign experience ... What does interest me is the fact that trusted sellers on this forum claimed that after 15 days if you had registered an IDN.cn it was safe ... I hate repeating myself but here you go .. It was bullshit

[Rubber Duck]

I'm seriously not interested in your Netsol/Verisign experience ... What does interest me is the fact that trusted sellers on this forum claimed that after 15 days if you had registered an IDN.cn it was safe ... I hate repeating myself but here you go .. It was bullshit

All ccTLD are bullshit unless it can be seen they have a robust UDRP equivalent.

I know from my own experience .co.uk fits that description. I wouldn't put money on much else.

[alpha]

One or two people tell you this, and they now form your 'global' view on this issue?! :o The truth is, CNNIC are probably far more honest and upfront than "Verisign" ... Speaking from my own experience, in 1996...

Back in 1996, I've no doubt things were less transparent and there were few rules.. but that was 13 years ago.. a lot has changed since then.

We are talking about today.

and today what we are hearing is that Verisign like many other registrys have a due process for "taking" domains. And although people will argue that the outcome was/wasn't fair; - it is still a democratic process. You are guaranteed to be able to speak and you will be heard, and someone else will make a decision based on public rules.

today what we are hearing from more than a few people and more than a few examples, is with CNNIC, is that there is no democracy, no process. You have no voice and you have no rights. All that happens is you wake up one morning and your domain might/might not have been taken.
This lack of democracy might be the way things are done in China... who am I to say whether it is a good or bad thing...

.. but my point still stands - if you cannot trust that your domain will not be taken without due process, then it can only hold back the value of the domain.

[JamesZ]

Back in 1996, I've no doubt things were less transparent and there were few rules.. but that was 13 years ago.. a lot has changed since then.

We are talking about today.


If you only look at today, you may fail tomorrow. To not fail tomorrow, you need to look at the history.
Just as Verisign could improve over the years, so can CNNIC. Logical?
I was in China ten years ago. I know how things have changed.


.. but my point still stands - if you cannot trust that your domain will not be taken without due process, then it can only hold back the value of the domain.

This is true and it is certainly a good thing for today. Otherwise, I could not build a decent portfolio as a latecomer.

There is no doubt that China wants .cn and IDN.cn fly. To achieve that, they know they need to build the trust. And I bet the trust will come before IDN takes off.

By the way, I like your blog very much. Keep up the good work!

[blackops]

.. but my point still stands - if you cannot trust that your domain will not be taken without due process, then it can only hold back the value of the domain.

You make some good points, but I fail to see how "due process" hasn't already occurred here - Phio said himself that the name was "probably too sexy in nature" and in article 7 of the CNNIC terms it specifically prohibits indecent domain names, so where exactly is the surprise that it was taken?

Or, are you saying that China itself has no "due process"?..

As DG has rightfully pointed out, if CNNIC took a "normal" name i.e. a non contentious domain, for no reason, then it would effect the .cn aftermarket. But, in the 12 years that CNNIC has been operating, there has never (to my knowledge) been a single case where that has happened.

[Wot]

Have yet to see any reasonable arguements backed up by facts that would put me off investing in idn.cctld or cctld of any colo/ur or creed.Only the usual .com is better, bigger, bolder etc.

I too have quite a few .com's, just think that there are equal opportunities outside the old style of thinking- after all- idners are a rare breed as it is, idncctlders are even thinner on the ground- the lepers of the the idn community.:p

China is moving forward at such a phenomenal pace and wants to show it's best face to the world, within limitations of course.

idn.cn is just one small factor in their overall development but will have a very large impact on their internet prescence, sooner rather than later imho.

Time, as always, will be the determining factor.

Back to Shanghai now- bye :cool:

[Giant]

If you have good contacts, you can get your domain back easily. People at CNNIC are very friendly and anything can be negotiable.

[Giant]

Back to Shanghai now- bye :cool:

Welcome to Shanghai!

[domainguru]

If you have good contacts, you can get your domain back easily. People at CNNIC are very friendly and anything can be negotiable.

But that addresses the nature of the problem directly - its not much "fun" investing in a "non-transparent" system where "knowing the right people" is more important than anything else.

[blackops]

But that addresses the nature of the problem directly - its not much "fun" investing in a "non-transparent" system where "knowing the right people" is more important than anything else.

Some may argue this is a metaphor for life!.. But, Giant, why did you bring this up in the first place?!.. claims such as this only help those who don't know what they are talking about to throw yet more (unsubstantiated) mud at the CNNIC registry...

Anyway, you have intimated that CNNIC staff are corrupt. Do you have any info to back that up?

[Giant]

But that addresses the nature of the problem directly - its not much "fun" investing in a "non-transparent" system where "knowing the right people" is more important than anything else.

Exactly. Investing in IDN.com and investing in IDN.cn requires different type of skills. For dot com, you need to know what are the good domains to buy. For dot cn, you need to know who are the right people to buy.

[Giant]

Anyway, you have intimated that CNNIC staff are corrupt.

We Chinese don't consider such "corrupt", it's a way of doing business.

[Giant]

Do you have any info to back that up?

How long have you been here? Did I ever say something here that I did not have the info to back it up? If you are serious about investing in domain names and money is important to you, believe what I just said will do a lot of good to you.

No doubt, IDN.cn will be popular, and the popularity of IDN.cn will push the value of IDN.com up. But investing in IDN.cn domains requires much more care and thinking out of the box.

[mulligan]

Some may argue this is a metaphor for life!.. But, Giant, why did you bring this up in the first place?!.. claims such as this only help those who don't know what they are talking about to throw yet more (unsubstantiated) mud at the CNNIC registry...

Anyway, you have intimated that CNNIC staff are corrupt. Do you have any info to back that up?

blackops, I'm not having a go at you here ...

You ever heard of 'Baksheesh' (بخشش) or 'Coffee Money' (貼士) .. very loose translation?

These things can sometimes ease the passage of problems you may or may not have, or may have in the future.

[Wot]

Can those in the know kindly post a list of all the "legitmate" idn.cn that have ben taken back by cnnic- you may include those that did not comply with the rules.

Thanks

[phio]

Just to clarify, the domain did break the rules...I posted the rules for informational purposes, as a warning to avoid porn and sex related names as well domains with a political nature. I had never read the TOS/rules for .cn names from CNNIC, even though it has been discussed before here.

I did have a problem 2 years ago with a legitimate .cn, but it turned out to be a problem with the registrar saying the name was available, and not with CNNIC.

[bwhhisc]

Exactly. Investing in IDN.com and investing in IDN.cn requires different type of skills.
For dot com, you need to know what are the good domains to buy.
For dot cn, you need to know who are the right people to buy.

ROTFLOL :lol:

[blackops]

Child-like insults, and stupidity, aside for one moment no one has anything negative to say about CNNIC then that they can back up with proof.. :lol:

[phio]

Child-like insults, and stupidity, aside for one moment no one has anything negative to say about CNNIC then that they can back up with proof.. :lol:

Most of us here have some .cn's. I'm interested in how things are going down under, and how quickly ICANN will release IDN.IDN to China. Or will Bulgaria be first?

[blackops]

are going down under, and how quickly ICANN will release IDN.IDN to China. Or will Bulgaria be first?

Down under... Do you mean Australia or China? But idn.idn is, I believe, coming to China later this year (someone pls correct me if i'm wrong). Of course, idn.idn is already aliased to .cn, and idn.cn is what the Chinese govt is pushing hard to promote right now.

Very exciting times for .cn!

[markits]

Why need idn.idn? A high proportion of people in China only know .com.

Promoting idn.idn (.中国) is like trainning a baby to run.

"xxx初心者.com" looks like a domain and is easy to promote. "xxx初心者.中国" does not look like a DOTCOM address to most Chinese, it looks rather a weird keyword (as a domain, it also dilutes the "xxx初心者" keyword strength in the address since the address itself contains two keywords, xxx初心者+中国).

[blackops]

Why need idn.idn? A high proportion of people in China only know .com.

Promoting idn.idn (.中国) is like trainning a baby to run.

"xxx初心者.com" looks like a domain and is easy to promote. "xxx初心者.中国" does not look like a DOTCOM address to most Chinese, it looks rather a weird keyword (as a domain, it also dilutes the "xxx初心者" keyword strength in the address since the address itself contains two keywords, xxx初心者+中国).

Ridiculous..

Look, I realise that many of you on here are quite heavily invested in Chinese idn.com but the truth is that idn.cn is idn.idn. It is what idn is all about, and it is what the Chinese govt are putting their money on and actively supporting.

The PRC do not care about, and do not want, Chinese idn.com - it is as simple as that...

I know the inclination is to do so, but please lets not allow this to descend in to yet another idn.cn/idn.idn vs. idn.com thread... retreading old ground is very tiresome, so let me be polite and suggest to you that there will be a market for both.

Fair enough?

:-)

[markits]

You did NOT point out which part of my post is ridiculous.

And you said the PRC do not want idn.com, this indicates you know nothing about China. It is the general people that matters. The people want idn.com. it is as simple as that (白云飘飘.com is a direct support of this statement. BTW, do you know this story at all?).

[blackops]

You did NOT point out which part of my post is ridiculous.

And you said the PRC do not want idn.com, this indicates you know nothing about China. It is the general people that matters. The people want idn.com. it is as simple as that (白云飘飘.com is a direct support of this statement. BTW, do you know this story at all?).

Look, friend, your highly-sensitive attitude and inference is unwarranted and, just to clarify, ALL of your post was ridiculous; your opinion about idn.idn not being needed is fine, but it is not actually what this thread is about.

You, like Mulligan, seem to want to infer that I don't know what i'm talking about. But show me where, what I am saying, is wrong - that is all you need to do.. I know it will be hard for you to do this, especially without being offensive, but do try... :-)

In China, .cn will be king and .com (if it is lucky) may become queen...

China has spoken, and it has said ".cn"! :yes:

[markits]

You put things in an absolutely ridiculous way. It was you that was first saying my post was ridiculous while I was only talking about some truth. I did not specify my post to you and did not try to say that you were wrong or ridiculous. Understand?

I refuse to be quoted by you next time. Fair enough?!

As a Chinese (Mainland Chinese citizen, to be more accurate), I am proud of .cn, perhaps more than anyone else here.

And I won't discuss anything further with you before you start show some respects to others. Fair enough?!

[alpha]

China <insert>government</insert>has spoken, and it has said ".cn"! :yes:

for the record I don't care either way. I wasn't brave enough to get either in any quantities that matter.

[domainguru]

Its pretty obvious the Chinese government would "push" .cn over .com. Why? One simple word. Control.

And no, I'm not saying whether that makes .cn or .com more valuable. Arguments both ways on that one!

[blackops]

You put things in an absolutely ridiculous way. It was you that was first saying my post was ridiculous while I was only talking about some truth.

Hmm, absolutely. You appear to forget though that this thread is a formal record of what you have actually said, not what you think you said or would like to have said.

I refuse to be quoted by you next time. Fair enough?!

Yes, of course. I'm just sorry that you've not been able to consider the simple facts, rather than getting all 'het up' and frustrated. :confused:

As a Chinese (Mainland Chinese citizen, to be more accurate), I am proud of .cn, perhaps more than anyone else here.

"Promoting idn.idn (.中国) is like trainning a baby to run". I'm not sure what 'trainning' means, but if you mean 'training' then you certainly are not proud of .cn. For, idn.idn IS .cn and a statement like the one you gave shows your disrespect for China's national domain!

And I won't discuss anything further with you before you start show some respects to others. Fair enough?!

Respects?! You may well mean 'respect', but again you surely have no idea what this word means. You say you are Chinese, and so there may be some English words you don't understand very well; perhaps you're frustrated at not knowing English very well and this causes you to vent your anger on others?

In any event, I am more than happy for you not to respond to me anymore, in fact I would prefer that... so please don't do it :-)

[alpha]

@blackops check your PM

[markits]

You are absolutely behaving like a kid. Yes I did have some typos in my post, but show your Chinese skills to me, show your understanding towards Chinese domains to me. Fair enough?

It was you that got frustrated at my post about some truth, even though it was apparantly not against you. You apparantly have something wrong.

Do not quote me. Don't you understand English?

[markits]

Well said

[markits]

Too many posts

[domainguru]

Do I get a prize for spotting a thread that is about to be closed?

[markits]

there are more important things in life.

[markits]

there are more important things in life.
Mods, please remove all my posts in this thread, including these quoted by blackops. Thanks.

[blackops]

No hard feelings Markits, I genuinely wish you well.. but I would like to hear from other idn'ers out there who do want to comment on what this thread is actually about.

Thanks,

[Giant]

Just to clarify, the domain did break the rules...


How do you tell the domain breaks the rules? Even people at CNNIC have difficulties deciding which domain is too sexy and which one is not.

性.cn [sex], 性趣.cn [sex fun], 阴茎.cn [penis], 性爱.cn [sex], 裸.cn [naked], 裸体.cn [naked or nude]... + many more are all taken.

These domains are all too sexy in my opinion, but they're still allowed. Why not yours?

Why can't you just disclose the domain you lost?

[phio]

　　您请求的中文域名 色情小说.cn 尚未注册或不可达。您可以点击这里了解域名注册信息或点击这里注册此域名。

[phio]

Basically if a keyword or phrase has 800,000 or more monthly searches in China, I'm interested. But NOW I check it in Baidu, to see if (IMAGE) results come up, if not, I won't bother registering the .cn, because if Baidu doesn't like it, CNNIC probably doesn't like it either. Lesson learned.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.xbaohe.com/wp-content/2008/02/seqingxiaoshuo.GIF&imgrefurl=http://www.xbaohe.com/2008/02/04/sexy-and-make-money/&usg=__5cHD5moCaYtlErE-Fp11BWDh8NE=&h=304&w=600&sz=17&hl=en&start=3&sig2=AiZ_vNfbRLJkKFMp0YsJ-g&um=1&tbnid=yTGnvQEWEnt84M:&tbnh=68&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%25E8%2589%25B2%25E6%2583%2585%25E5%25B0%258F%25E8%25AF%25B4%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1&ei=b1VBSuvWBoqGtAOk__CoCQ

[alpha]

lol i have that in com if you want it phio (trad) and it's looking like its variant blocking the simplified

[Giant]

　　您请求的中文域名 色情小说.cn 尚未注册或不可达。您可以点击这里了解域名注册信息或点击这里注册此域名。

I don't understand why they allow 情色小说.cn but don't allow 色情小说.cn.

情色小说 and 色情小说 are basically the same thing. people in HK, Taiwan and overseas tend to say 色情小说 while mainlanders 情色小说.

It doesn't make any sense!

Write a letter to CNNIC to ask for an explanation.

[phio]

I don't understand why they allow 情色小说.cn but don't allow 色情小说.cn.

情色小说 and 色情小说 are basically the same thing. people in HK, Taiwan and overseas tend to say 色情小说 while mainlanders 情色小说.

It doesn't make any sense!

Write a letter to CNNIC to ask for an explanation.

Thanks for pointing that out. I will seriously think about writing them a letter. And if the domain changes hands, I will absolutely write to them.

I think there must be a fine line between allowable and not allowable.

[blackops]

I think there must be a fine line between allowable and not allowable.

Agreed. Of course, the domain should not change hands at all but a letter from them, explaining their decision making process, would be worthwhile and interesting...

[JamesZ]

I don't understand why they allow 情色小说.cn but don't allow 色情小说.cn.

情色小说 and 色情小说 are basically the same thing. people in HK, Taiwan and overseas tend to say 色情小说 while mainlanders 情色小说.

It doesn't make any sense!

Write a letter to CNNIC to ask for an explanation.

It is better back up your statement with facts.

Baidu SERPs: "情色小说" 141,000 "色情小说" 11,000,000
Baidu Index: "情色小说" 5233 "色情小说" 19720 (for the season)

Google.cn SERPs: "情色小说" 760,000 "色情小说" 3,530,000
Google Trends (in China): 情色小说 0.68 色情小说 1.00

It is clear that 色情小说 is used much more often than 情色小说 in China. CNNIC may simply ignored the alternative way to express 色情小说. The data may contain websites in HK and Taiwan, but that should not change the overall picture.

This is really common sense in China.

phio, you'd better save your time in writing the letter.

[Giant]

Kid, you are too young to know the history of Chinese words!

We Overseas Chinese don't say 情色小说, but mainlanders do.

The mainlanders use 色情小说 more and more because of the influence of the movies, videos, books and magazines from Japan and overseas. The captions on erotic movies and videos are all in Traditional Chinese and dubbed mostly in HK.

Just like real estate terms 楼市, 买楼, 按揭 and other fashional terms 买单... are so popular in China now that people don't even know they are actually imported words from overseas.

When I say Overseas Chinese tend to use 色情小说 or Traditional Chinese, I don't means 色情小说 or Traditional Chinese belong to the Overseas Chinese only. 色情小说 or Traditional Chinese were used in China long before most mainlanders can even remember.

[touchring]

recently, there had been a crackdown on porn stuff, did u use an adult theme?

[phio]

I really don't know, it was either parked at dd rev parking, or nd. Since I don't have it anymore I can't check.

I'm pretty sure it was parked like this one: xn--ghq3vk16muba.cn

But I can't be positive. Just checked my ND and not listed there.

So perhaps it wasn't the content, but the actual words in the domain that did it.

It's very interesting that the Russians have developed a program for screening out sexy words and they are going to use if for their .рф Registrations. (ICANN Sydney) If CNNIC had this kind of program in place (or maybe they do now) it would be beneficial.

If you attempt to register pornonovel.cn with dd, you get a message like this one:
pornonovel.cn Available, but CNNIC may not allow $13.99

So, is the message coming from the registrar or from dd ??