Russia Is Torn Over Push for Use of Cyrillic Web Domains

[sarcle]

MOSCOW — The Kremlin has long been irritated by the way the United States dominates the Internet, all the way down to the ban on using Cyrillic for Web addresses — even kremlin.ru (http://www.kremlin.ru/) has to be demeaningly rendered in English. The Russian government, as a result, is taking the lead in a landmark shift occurring around the world to allow domain names in languages with non-Latin alphabets.

Russians themselves, though, do not seem at all eager to follow.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/world/europe/22cyrillic.html?_r=1

[yanni]

“Cyrillic domains are a major mistake because Latin symbols are the only symbols available on keyboards all over the world,” said Ilya V. Ponomarev, an opposition member in Russia’s Parliament who is a leading voice on technology.

Riiight. Leading voice on technology, my ass. Leading voice on 'I'm pissed cause I can't get my hands on any of that windfall of cash the ruling party will pocket from the .rf auctions'.

“And there is a real concern that non-Latin domains are going to help governments that are not fully democratic, including the one in Russia, to better control their information space.”

Something that they can't already do with the existing cctlds...

“This is a major headache for Russian companies,” said Aleksandr Gostev, an executive in Moscow at Kaspersky Lab, an Internet security company. “It is a wide new field for fraudsters.”

And, your company will gladly step in and protect these companies, after you scare them off with unfounded bullshit fraud hypotheses.

Bring Stalin back for a week to get rid of these mofos.

The comments are funnier than the article, btw.

[jacksonm]

Rendered in "english" my ass.

The latin character set was derived from the Greek character set and has been in use for well over 2000 years, starting with and widespread by the Romans. It's used by nearly every country in Europe, as well as many other countries around the world.

Cyrillic character set wasn't an invention, either - it was also *heavily* derived from the Greek character set and still has a lot of similarity.

[DktoInc]

Its so corrupt I love it.
Looks better and better everyday for .com
.RF?? Russian Firewall? :yes:


FREEEEEDOOOOMMMM to the people!!!!

[sarcle]

What I loved about this article.

1. Total lack of insight into .com .net. Only .rf was covered.
2. Pushing the Soviet (communism) scare.
3. Yandex is still beating that same drum.
4. This is a "government" idea. Not a world wide Internet change.


Other than that the NY Times was right on. Right? :lol:

Guess we should send them traffic screenshots of our Russian.coms. lol.

[blastfromthepast]

When they realize the .RU ascii domains they have been hoarding are now worthless, there will be a lot more articles.

[DktoInc]

Anyone has any examples of Russian.com domains with over 100 clicks per month?

[blastfromthepast]

Anyone has any examples of Russian.com domains with over 100 clicks per month?

Over 100 clicks a day is normal for Russian premium domains.

[DktoInc]

any examples?

[blastfromthepast]

“Cyrillic domains are a major mistake because Latin symbols are the only symbols available on keyboards all over the world,” said Ilya V. Ponomarev, an opposition member in Russia’s Parliament who is a leading voice on technology.

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/480/kprf.jpg

[sarcle]

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/480/kprf.jpg

Oh, the irony. Nice job blast. Pretty much blew his arguement out of the water.

[blastfromthepast]

And this from his own homepage on "КПРФ.ИНФО"

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/782/kprf2.jpg

[thefabfive]

any examples?

I'm sure the members here could give you literally hundreds of examples if they were so inclined. But I doubt many would.

[sarcle]

I'm sure the members here could give you literally hundreds of examples if they were so inclined. But I doubt many would.

Yeah, unless you are holding a wad of cash to spend. And even then most are holding out for .rf to be released (I know I am). The traffic will only go up from here on out. :D

[sarcle]

And this from his own homepage on "КПРФ.ИНФО"

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/782/kprf2.jpg

His hypocrisy knows no bounds does it? So this is a "do as I say, not as I do" sort of attitude or he's trying to scare everyone off and get the best names for himself.

What a jackass.

[thefabfive]

“Cyrillic domains are a major mistake because Latin symbols are the only symbols available on keyboards all over the world,” said Ilya V. Ponomarev, an opposition member in Russia’s Parliament who is a leading voice on technology.


Astounding how many people do not know that most computers can be installed with nearly any foreign-language keyboard within a minute of so.

[blastfromthepast]

Astounding how many people do not know that most computers can be installed with nearly any foreign-language keyboard within a minute of so.

Oh, he knows. He's just looking out for the interests of poor foreigners who can't. :lol:

[Rubber Duck]

Anyone has any examples of Russian.com domains with over 100 clicks per month?

Only 100?

[DktoInc]

I was reffering to an undeveloped domain name. I have a few premium russian IDN's but I don't get 100 clicks a day eventhough they are as premium as they can get. That is why i am wondering if there are any undeveloped names that do get over 100 clicks.

[sarcle]

And it's making the rounds.

http://domainnamewire.com/2009/12/22/russians-not-keen-on-idn-top-level-domain/

[blastfromthepast]

We're talking pure typins here.

[sarcle]

I was reffering to an undeveloped domain name. I have a few premium russian IDN's but I don't get 100 clicks a day eventhough they are as premium as they can get. That is why i am wondering if there are any undeveloped names that do get over 100 clicks.

I have several that are parked getting 500+ daily. So I don't know what yours are that are "premium" and not getting 100 a month.

[thefabfive]

Yes, I'm talking about undeveloped domains.

If you care to share your domains I'm sure we can tell you why you're not seeing "premium" traffic.

[DktoInc]

sure, one example is деньга.com

monthly result: деньга — 860 896

[yanni]

sure, one example is деньга.com

monthly result: деньга — 860 896

деньги is what you should have

[DktoInc]

I know I should. but деньга is a proper word as well

[blastfromthepast]

I know I should. but деньга is a proper word as well

No. It is an archaic form no longer used.

[DktoInc]

Well if its no longer used, why are there nearly 1million serches a month for it?
Latin money website exists on this word

[blastfromthepast]

Well if its no longer used, why are there nearly 1million serches a month for it?
Latin money website exists on this word

Post an appraisal thread…

Google 162,000 for "деньга".
Google 59,300,000 for "деньги".

http://www.google.com/trends?q=деньга%2C+деньги

Your terms - деньга - do not have enough search volume to show graphs.

[DktoInc]

Why use google for searches in Russia if its not the leading search engine.? You may as well use yahoo, it will give you higher results for certain words.

[alpha]

as premium as they can get

do you have any more you would care to share

[blastfromthepast]

Why use google for searches in Russia if its not the leading search engine.? You may as well use yahoo, it will give you higher results for certain words.

If it was 1809, you might have had a valuable domain. Piecesofeight.com was free at one point too.

[thefabfive]

Why use google for searches in Russia if its not the leading search engine.? You may as well use yahoo, it will give you higher results for certain words.

Because Yandex does not distinguish between the two forms in their search numbers. Relative search volume probably 1000:1

[DktoInc]

деньги comes from word деньга. Many деньга= деньги, but the root is still widely used, still a premium

[alpha]

love it when noobs turn up, get an appraisal, don't like what they hear and then argue with native speakers - makes it interesting around here.

popcorn anyone?

[DktoInc]

I am a native speaker. Its not that I like or don't like an appraisal, its just I have points of view to express, afterall these domains are worth only what someone is willing to pay for them. Premium or whatever.

[yanni]

I know I should. but деньга is a proper word as well

I believe you've mentioned in another thread that you speak Russian [if not, I stand corrected]. edit I just saw the above post.

In your experience, which of the two terms is mostly used in everyday conversations?

[sarcle]

popcorn anyone?

I'll have a bowl Gary. ;)

Google Searches per month.

деньга = 1,600
деньги = 368,000

This is why you are not getting traffic. No one is searching for it.

[DktoInc]

:lol:
You guys just wish you had the domain. lol:yes:

[yanni]

:lol:
You guys just wish you had the domain. lol:yes:

Naaah. We're just trying to show you why you're not getting much traffic to it. If any. [bots don't count, btw]

[DktoInc]

It gets traffic just not 100 clicks a day. per month yes, not day.
May I see some examples of 100/day domain name?

[blastfromthepast]

This thread is about the news. Please take your domain issues to an appraisal thread.

[blastfromthepast]

I am a native speaker. Its not that I like or don't like an appraisal, its just I have points of view to express, afterall these domains are worth only what someone is willing to pay for them. Premium or whatever.

Anything is worth only what someone is willing to pay, there is no "automatic" buyer of last resort.

[DktoInc]

Not anything. set prices. Ex (New Cars, Homes) Domains don't have set prices, well except when you buy them for $7 innitialy.

[jose]

[back on topic] All this (and China's) will make the .com brand more worth, imho.

[blastfromthepast]

Not anything. set prices. Ex (New Cars, Homes) Domains don't have set prices, well except when you buy them for $7 innitialy.

Homes and new cars don't have set prices. They sell for what the market is willing to pay for them.

[sarcle]

Here is the source of inspiration for this article.

http://community.livejournal.com/nytimesinmoscow/26709.html

Here are some of the comments translated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/world/europe/22cyrillicside.html

[blastfromthepast]

That’s Journalism 2.0 for you.

[DktoInc]

Blast,

If a new car costs $50.000 and you only have $25.000, you will not buy that car because no one will sell it to you.
Now if your domain costs $50.000 and I don't have $50.000 but I have $25.000 which I offer to you, chances are I may get the domain for $25.000.

[jacksonm]

Now if your domain costs $50.000 and I don't have $50.000 but I have $25.000 which I offer to you, chances are I may get the domain for $25.000.


Feel free to send any $25.000 offers my way.

[blastfromthepast]

Now if your domain costs $50.000 and I don't have $50.000 but I have $25.000 which I offer to you, chances are I may get the domain for $25.000.

And here you are mistaken. What makes you think I'll give you a 50% discount?

[DktoInc]

What makes you think your domain is worth $50.000???

[blastfromthepast]

What makes you think your domain is worth $50.000???

Previous sales of similar names. If you'd have $50 000 to spend, let me know. We can make a deal. But you'll get a better list to choose from if you can come up with at least six figures.

[DktoInc]

You see, we are negotiating already. :cool: You are loosing it old man, I think IDN.KGB got to you.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DktoInc View Post
Now if your domain costs $50.000 and I don't have $50.000 but I have $25.000 which I offer to you, chances are I may get the domain for $25.000.

And here you are mistaken. What makes you think I'll give you a 50% discount?

[Drewbert]

:lol:
You guys just wish you had the domain. lol:yes:

lol

Once you're getting upwards of 1.5 million visits/year to your cyrillic .com's you can get back to us.

lol lol

[DktoInc]

Hmmmm. 1.5 million. Not bad. How much do you want for it?

[jacksonm]

Hmmmm. 1.5 million. Not bad. How much do you want for it?

You are really starting to smell like Miguel.

[DktoInc]

you just want some attention don't you? :lol:


Close the thread!!

[blastfromthepast]

You are loosing it old man, I think IDN.KGB got to you.


Entirely inappropriate comments.

[DktoInc]

Of you are offended, i apologize. It was more of sense of humor comment, then to offend anyone.

Happy holidays!!!