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Pandarian
1st January 2010, 01:48 PM
I tryed to register Keyword IDN from a drop, But i cant figure out the language

E.g: sex©.com

IDN cant register with english

bwhhisc
1st January 2010, 03:11 PM
What you are probably looking for was taken in 2007 in .com, also .net
sex©.com
xn--sex-1ea.com Taken - whois website
sex©.net
xn--sex-1ea.net Taken - whois website

But for crying out loud...why not register some "dictionary" words in various languages. That is the BIG opportunity here.

Frankly, I don't think sex© will get any traffic, they are at best vanity domains. And beside, who beside a very small minority of nerds even knows how to 'type in' the © without cutting and pasting. :p

In arriving here at IDNF, you have stumbled onto the greatest opportunity of your lifetime with IDNs...don't blow it registering garbage.
Take a look at the auctions, post up to buy some lists, grab some free resources at idntools.com and get busy. :)

Rubber Duck
1st January 2010, 06:16 PM
I tryed to register Keyword IDN from a drop, But i cant figure out the language

E.g: sex©.com

IDN cant register with english

With spelling like that, I would definitely avoid Enlgish.

sarcle
1st January 2010, 06:26 PM
I tryed to register Keyword IDN from a drop, But i cant figure out the language

E.g: sex©.com


You joined in '07 and this is the best you can come up with? :(

jacksonm
1st January 2010, 06:45 PM
With spelling like that, I would definitely avoid Enlgish.

God damn, I love the dry british humour :lol:

Pandarian
2nd January 2010, 12:40 PM
What you are probably looking for was taken in 2007 in .com, also .net
sex©.com
xn--sex-1ea.com Taken - whois website
sex©.net
xn--sex-1ea.net Taken - whois website

But for crying out loud...why not register some "dictionary" words in various languages. That is the BIG opportunity here.

Frankly, I don't think sex© will get any traffic, they are at best vanity domains. And beside, who beside a very small minority of nerds even knows how to 'type in' the © without cutting and pasting. :p

In arriving here at IDNF, you have stumbled onto the greatest opportunity of your lifetime with IDNs...don't blow it registering garbage.
Take a look at the auctions, post up to buy some lists, grab some free resources at idntools.com and get busy. :)

Actualy im not trying to register Sex©.com
its just a example

My domain i try to register is keyword + © .com
what language should i pick?

Clotho
2nd January 2010, 01:26 PM
None,

Pretty sure you can't register symbol domains anymore.

Pandarian
2nd January 2010, 01:49 PM
None,

Pretty sure you can't register symbol domains anymore.

I tryed dynadot and it can

check this tall©.com (xn--tall-8fa.com)

thefabfive
2nd January 2010, 02:03 PM
I tryed dynadot and it can

check this tall©.com (xn--tall-8fa.com)

So you haven't actually tried to register it? Just checked availability?

Just pick the language of 'keyword', or the next closest like Spanish or French. But was under the same impression as Clotho - that you could not register new symbol domains.

Pandarian
2nd January 2010, 03:52 PM
Reged these two domains

art©.com (xn--art-1ea.com)
domain©.com (xn--domain-nia.com)

Any Value?

sarcle
2nd January 2010, 03:55 PM
Reged these two domains

art©.com (xn--art-1ea.com)
domain©.com (xn--domain-nia.com)

Any Value?

nope.

Rubber Duck
2nd January 2010, 04:00 PM
Reged these two domains

art©.com (xn--art-1ea.com)
domain©.com (xn--domain-nia.com)

Any Value?

None

thefabfive
2nd January 2010, 04:06 PM
Reged these two domains

art©.com (xn--art-1ea.com)
domain©.com (xn--domain-nia.com)

Any Value?


No

Pandarian
2nd January 2010, 06:35 PM
May i know why?

Rubber Duck
2nd January 2010, 07:08 PM
May i know why?

Because nobody will be able to type it, and even if they could the browser will not be able to resolve it through the DNS.

DktoInc
3rd January 2010, 05:07 AM
May i know why?


You can still register Keyword+©, i have a few myself. The majority here are registering keywords in different languages, but what you have to realize people is that everything is about to change. Its been 15 years and we are pretty much using the same technology to surf the net as we did a decade ago. With the coming of IDNs, internet is taking a huge step into the future of hi-tech. Browsers are going to change, software that we use today is going to change to adapt with the future market. Possibility of typing in International scripts and symbols with a click of a mouse will be here. Possibility of scrolling to your .com, .net, .cn, .me......... extensions instead of typing them in like we do right now is there as well. There is a lot of room for upgrades in the browser world. People, this is year 2010. We are going to have space trips available to the regular public in less then 2 years. Get out of the box and think outside of it.

Go ahead and do register the symbols and what ever else you feel like registering, because tomorrow is another day. ;)

DktoInc
3rd January 2010, 07:52 AM
You can still register Keyword+©, i have a few myself. The majority here are registering keywords in different languages, but what you have to realize people is that everything is about to change. Its been 15 years and we are pretty much using the same technology to surf the net as we did a decade ago. With the coming of IDNs, internet is taking a huge step into the future of hi-tech. Browsers are going to change, software that we use today is going to change to adapt with the future market. Possibility of typing in International scripts and symbols with a click of a mouse will be here. Possibility of scrolling to your .com, .net, .cn, .me......... extensions instead of typing them in like we do right now is there as well. There is a lot of room for upgrades in the browser world. People, this is year 2010. We are going to have space trips available to the regular public in less then 2 years. Get out of the box and think outside of it.

Go ahead and do register the symbols and what ever else you feel like registering, because tomorrow is another day. ;)

oww, and I have to add those domain forwarders do look tempting... Why do i need to get a million dollar english 1 letter .com to represent my image on the internet? I can get and equally nice 1 letter IDN domain in a language less widely used (ex. Tibetian or symbols)advertise my website under what ever domain name i am already using and forward it to the IDN. I am sure it will be all much easier to understand when all the browsers become more stable with IDNs. and it wont cost me 10 million to get a 1 letter domain name for my image.

blastfromthepast
3rd January 2010, 08:12 AM
© is not valid for IDNs.

DktoInc
3rd January 2010, 08:16 AM
® is.

mulligan
3rd January 2010, 10:49 AM
® is.
Do you have a registered trademark on the IDNs using this symbol?

Rubber Duck
3rd January 2010, 11:03 AM
The only box you are outside of is the one that is supposed to contain all those little grey cells. Do some research and stop talking out of your arse.

You can still register Keyword+©, i have a few myself. The majority here are registering keywords in different languages, but what you have to realize people is that everything is about to change. Its been 15 years and we are pretty much using the same technology to surf the net as we did a decade ago. With the coming of IDNs, internet is taking a huge step into the future of hi-tech. Browsers are going to change, software that we use today is going to change to adapt with the future market. Possibility of typing in International scripts and symbols with a click of a mouse will be here. Possibility of scrolling to your .com, .net, .cn, .me......... extensions instead of typing them in like we do right now is there as well. There is a lot of room for upgrades in the browser world. People, this is year 2010. We are going to have space trips available to the regular public in less then 2 years. Get out of the box and think outside of it.

Go ahead and do register the symbols and what ever else you feel like registering, because tomorrow is another day. ;)

alpha
3rd January 2010, 11:33 AM
The only box you are outside of is the one that is supposed to contain all those little grey cells. Do some research and stop talking out of your arse.

I think you're wasting your breath (again) RD.

I watch dozens of English word + symbol drop every week, as all the broken dreams of new IDNers whose imagination into the potential of IDN can stretch no further than take an English word and stick a symbol on the end no one can type and hope for the best.

You and I will be saying this to every newcomer that turns up here, and every day I will keep watching them drop 12mos later.

sarcle
3rd January 2010, 05:30 PM
Get out of the box and think outside of it

There is thinking outside the box and there is dreaming with no sense of reality.


CAṨH.com


There are two google results for this term and both links are to this forum. The only thing that domain is good for is ebay.

DktoInc
3rd January 2010, 08:18 PM
hmmm, again the google search talk.
I really don't expect the majority to agree with me on this right now. I understand that its difficult to see something that doesn't exist at the moment. I think you guys missed the .com boom back in the 90's because you were thinking the same way as you are now.

As you said, you can always sell them on ebay.

sarcle
3rd January 2010, 08:26 PM
hmmm, again the google search talk.
I really don't expect the majority to agree with me on this right now. I understand that its difficult to see something that doesn't exist at the moment. I think you guys missed the .com boom back in the 90's because you were thinking the same way as you are now.

As you said, you can always sell them on ebay.

Still waiting for you to pull out your "premium" Russian generics.

If you think filling a bunch of beginners heads with your BS speeches are going to fly here then think again. Those types of domains are the reason people are screaming "PHISHING" in the first place. It's not going to get you respect here.

Actually many people on here are the ones that hit the nail on the head and registered those Ascii domains in the 90's.

But you sure type a lot for not really saying anything at all. :yes:

DktoInc
3rd January 2010, 08:34 PM
I will pull out my Russian genetics and all languages genetics when its time to pull them out.

hey, I am not here to argue with you about this. I am simply stating my opinion. If you don't like the name, don't register it but don't tell people its garbage just because you think so. Only time will tell.
I respect myself and that's the only respect that matters for me. I never asked for an opinion of the herd. :eek:

DktoInc
3rd January 2010, 08:54 PM
Still waiting for you to pull out your "premium" Russian generics.

If you think filling a bunch of beginners heads with your BS speeches are going to fly here then think again. Those types of domains are the reason people are screaming "PHISHING" in the first place. It's not going to get you respect here.

Actually many people on here are the ones that hit the nail on the head and registered those Ascii domains in the 90's.

But you sure type a lot for not really saying anything at all. :yes:

Where does the PHISHING part comes in? I don't understand, please elaborate.

Avtal
3rd January 2010, 09:16 PM
I never asked for an opinion of the herd.

I agree that you don't make money by following the herd.

But you can lose money if you don't follow the technical specs. For instance:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-08 has a table showing which unicode characters will be allowed in the future in IDNs. If I'm reading it correctly, the characters $ ® © are among those that will be disallowed.

Avtal

sarcle
3rd January 2010, 09:24 PM
I agree that you don't make money by following the herd.

But you can lose money if you don't follow the technical specs. For instance:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-08 has a table showing which unicode characters will be allowed in the future in IDNs. If I'm reading it correctly, the characters $ ® © are among those that will be disallowed.

Avtal

But those are just worthless papers that will keep people from registering the "real" money-making IDN. :lol:

DktoInc
4th January 2010, 12:14 AM
Avtal,

Good document, but i am sure we will see a lot of changes to it as IDN progresses. whats disallowed or unassigned this year may be available 5 years from now as internet grows. The only way to engrave these rules in stone is to block the domains from being registered. As of right now i am still able to register the domains with certain symbols and i do get traffic on these domains. I am not saying we all should go crazy and start registering keywords+symbols but do register some for your portfolio after all what are you really loosing here $7 a year? I am sure you will gain it back from elsewhere.

Avtal
4th January 2010, 12:39 AM
The only way to engrave these rules in stone is to block the domains from being registered.

DktoInc,

I don't want to discourage you from your chosen path, but I want to make sure you factor all relevant information into your risk/reward calculations.

So I'll highlight one more risk (already mentioned by Rubber Duck): The surest way to enforce these rules would be to modify the DNS system, so that names that violate the rules don't resolve. This would be more far-reaching than blocking registration, because it would immediately affect all non-conforming names, including ones that had already been registered. How likely is this to happen? I don't know.

Avtal

mulligan
4th January 2010, 01:11 AM
but do register some for your portfolio ...
Nah, all yours buddy .. :yes:

DktoInc
4th January 2010, 01:14 AM
Thank you for sharing.

DktoInc
4th January 2010, 01:21 AM
Still waiting for you to pull out your "premium" Russian generics.

If you think filling a bunch of beginners heads with your BS speeches are going to fly here then think again. Those types of domains are the reason people are screaming "PHISHING" in the first place. It's not going to get you respect here.

Actually many people on here are the ones that hit the nail on the head and registered those Ascii domains in the 90's.

But you sure type a lot for not really saying anything at all. :yes:

sarcle:

стадо.com is the one for you, but looks like its already taken, you should negotiate.

sarcle
4th January 2010, 02:10 AM
sarcle:

стадо.com is the one for you, but looks like its already taken, you should negotiate.

With 15k yandex and 320 google exact? You must be joking. I don't see much value in that domain either but I see 100 times more value for it than CAṨH.com.

Oh just wait, you were trying to slam me? LOLOLOL..

Cheers buddy.

DktoInc
4th January 2010, 05:34 AM
aa a man with some sense of humor is a good man.

Pandarian
4th January 2010, 02:22 PM
I agree that you don't make money by following the herd.

But you can lose money if you don't follow the technical specs. For instance:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idnabis-tables-08 has a table showing which unicode characters will be allowed in the future in IDNs. If I'm reading it correctly, the characters $ ® © are among those that will be disallowed.

Avtal

IMHO, When they disallow $ ® © characters, the domainswhichhasallready registerd with those symbelsbecome rare. Rare = Money

Think about 2 Letter Domains, In most of the TLD's they are disallwed. But the domains which has allready registerd will sell for XXXX ammount.


BTW, Thanx for IDN Forum Staff.
When i join IDNF at 2007, it looks a dead forum for me. But now i see this is a very active forum. in 1 days over 38 replies for my thread.

Thanx!:up::clap:

domainguru
5th January 2010, 01:20 AM
IMHO, When they disallow $ ® © characters, the domainswhichhasallready registerd with those symbelsbecome rare. Rare = Money

Think about 2 Letter Domains, In most of the TLD's they are disallwed. But the domains which has allready registerd will sell for XXXX ammount.


BTW, Thanx for IDN Forum Staff.
When i join IDNF at 2007, it looks a dead forum for me. But now i see this is a very active forum. in 1 days over 38 replies for my thread.

Thanx!:up::clap:

Honestly are you 3 years old? You can't write or spell, but more importantly, you don't appear able to think ..... 2-letter domains are valuable because they resolve. They are useful. You can build a website with them and advertise it offline and online. You can add email and other services., You can build a URL-forwarding service. Wtf can you do with a IDN that isn't part of IDNA2008? -nothing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the last time, stop comparing symbol domains with 2-letter domains - it makes you look like a complete ass.

alpha
5th January 2010, 01:39 AM
BTW, Thanx for IDN Forum Staff.
When i join IDNF at 2007, it looks a dead forum for me. But now i see this is a very active forum.

no problem, it's nice to feel appreciated. I'm sorry it was so quiet the first time you showed up, you see the first IDN compatible browser from Microsoft had just been released after a long 5 year wait, and most of us were busy filling our boots registering domains. It's only now when mainly only low grade crap and symbols are left that we can afford the time to socialise and chat every day.

Did anyone see Top Gear last night?

DktoInc
5th January 2010, 04:25 PM
yes

DktoInc
19th January 2010, 05:42 PM
360°.COM is on sedo.

mulligan
19th January 2010, 05:55 PM
I can hardly wait ...

sarcle
19th January 2010, 06:07 PM
I can hardly wait ...

Me too!!! I want to be the first to bid...

alpha
19th January 2010, 07:10 PM
360°.COM is on sedo.

Creation Date: 02-jan-2002 :eek:

sarcle
19th January 2010, 07:12 PM
Creation Date: 02-jan-2002 :eek:

Yes, and whois protected from Canada. I wonder who that could be...

DktoInc
19th January 2010, 07:58 PM
lol It already has bids on it.

How many symbol domains should one sell before you guys start believing in symbols?

alpha
19th January 2010, 08:01 PM
lol It already has bids on it.

How many symbol domains should one sell before you guys start believing in symbols?

a couple of years ago I remember reading in the news that 2 guys sold via Ebay a fart in a jar, and an air guitar. Both auctions had a ton of bids.

DktoInc
19th January 2010, 08:04 PM
Were you the buyer for these items? Is that why you don't believe in symbol domains? was it the fart in a jar that made you like this?


Don't you think it may be time to widen your horizons?

alpha
19th January 2010, 08:13 PM
Were you the buyer for these items? Is that why you don't believe in symbol domains? was it the fart in a jar that made you like this?

my point was that the number of people queuing up to buy has no relation to how useful they might end up being.

If you or anyone else wants to spend a ton of money on symbols, then go ahead, there are millions of combination's out there to reg. I really don't care how you spend you money.

What people are trying to say here, is that it does seem somewhat short sighted with 293 different langauges opened up by IDN.. all that opportunity, and you get caught up on taking an English word and slipping in a symbol to make it look cool.

each to their own.

just my 2c (2¢.net drops on the 23rd btw)

DktoInc
19th January 2010, 08:21 PM
You can reg symbold with IDNs too. the point I am trying to make here is that the possibilitites are endless. No need to bash a guy if he is trying to reg and promote a symbol domain

Rubber Duck
19th January 2010, 08:46 PM
lol It already has bids on it.

How many symbol domains should one sell before you guys start believing in symbols?

To me selling something that you know to have no intrinsic value to somebody you have convinced that it does is not ethical, but then I am not Goldman Sachs.

touchring
20th January 2010, 03:45 AM
To me selling something that you know to have no intrinsic value to somebody you have convinced that it does is not ethical, but then I am not Goldman Sachs.


The issue is representation, the seller needs to point out that there's a good chance that some symbol domains may not resolve on updated browsers 5 years from now because they have been removed from the specs.

blastfromthepast
20th January 2010, 03:55 AM
The issue is representation, the seller needs to point out that there's a good chance that some symbol domains may not resolve on updated browsers 5 years from now because they have been removed from the specs.

Except that he believes that it will make the existing symbol domains "more rare" and therefore more valuable.

touchring
20th January 2010, 05:07 AM
Except that he believes that it will make the existing symbol domains "more rare" and therefore more valuable.

yes, and that's not impossible, old coins got no use, but are expensive because they are rare. lol

Rubber Duck
20th January 2010, 09:45 AM
The issue is representation, the seller needs to point out that there's a good chance that some symbol domains may not resolve on updated browsers 5 years from now because they have been removed from the specs.

And even that is mis-representation because you cannot guarantee them 5 Months!

touchring
20th January 2010, 03:10 PM
And even that is mis-representation because you cannot guarantee them 5 Months!



Gee, we're deviating from the subject. Unless Symbols is a language. :!