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Explorer
5th March 2010, 02:12 PM
I hate to be the bearer of not-so-good-news, but here is the update.

http://www.rg.ru/2010/03/04/domen.html

Sounds like a delay (at least for a few months) and they are leaning towards the starting price of 1 million.
Of course, this is all subject to change.

blastfromthepast
5th March 2010, 02:24 PM
РГ : А почему так дорого?

Колесников : Это не даст деньгам утечь в карманы киберсквоттеров. Они всегда рядом, когда привлекательные имена доменов стоят "посильных" денег. Теперь представьте, что будет, если в первую минуту домены начнут продаваться по 500 рублей. И по какой цене имя ЛЮБОВЬ.РФ будет перепродано? Деньги от перепродажи в дальнейшем при этом пойдут ловким ребятам, которые, затратив минимум усилий, получат серьезные деньги на ровном месте. Поэтому мы решили собрать деньги сами и отправить их на полезные Рунету проекты.



RG: Why so expensive?

Kolesnikov: This won't let the money flow into the pockets of cybersquatters. They are always nearby, when attractive names cost an "affordable" amount. Imagine now, what would happened when in the first minute domains begin to be sold for 500 rubles. And how much will [LOVE].РФ be then resold for? Money from future [domainer] resale will go to clever guys, who, exerting little effort, get good money for nothing. That's why we decided to get the money ourselves, and use it for the development of Russia's internet projects.

DktoInc
5th March 2010, 03:13 PM
loooll

please somebody slap these guys

Avtal
5th March 2010, 03:39 PM
Колесников : ... Написать слово "ёжик" латинскими символами можно несколькими способами, а запомнить с первого раза правильный - трудно. А если в адресной строке вы пишете адрес по-русски, это значительно упрощает пользование Интернетом.

Kolesnikov: ... The word "ёжик" [hedgehog] can be written in Latin letters in several different ways, and to remember the correct way the first time is difficult. But if in the address bar you write the address in Russian, it significantly simplifies the use of the Internet.
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So it looks like phio's newly registered domain (Do Russians like "ежик" (http://www.idnforums.com/forums/25022-do-russians-like-%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BA.html)) has been endorsed by Kolesnikov himself.

Congratulations!

Avtal

phio
5th March 2010, 05:14 PM
Kolesnikov: ... The word "ёжик" [hedgehog] can be written in Latin letters in several different ways, and to remember the correct way the first time is difficult. But if in the address bar you write the address in Russian, it significantly simplifies the use of the Internet.
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So it looks like phio's newly registered domain (Do Russians like "ежик" (http://www.idnforums.com/forums/25022-do-russians-like-%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%BA.html)) has been endorsed by Kolesnikov himself.

Congratulations!

Avtal

Thanks Avtal Time to get a website for it: "Long live ёжик"

jose
5th March 2010, 05:22 PM
.com is king

555
5th March 2010, 05:23 PM
I hate to be the bearer of not-so-good-news, but here is the update.

http://www.rg.ru/2010/03/04/domen.html

Sounds like a delay (at least for a few months) and they are leaning towards the starting price of 1 million.
Of course, this is all subject to change.
How is this bad news? It only minimizes the unfair advantage that would have occured if .rf would launch on April as previously planned.
By sept. hopefully both proceeses will be ready and launch.

Explorer
5th March 2010, 06:24 PM
How is this bad news? It only minimizes the unfair advantage that would have occured if .rf would launch on April as previously planned.
By sept. hopefully both proceeses will be ready and launch.

That would be nice.

phio
5th March 2010, 07:17 PM
They sure are cute: http://www.ёжик.com

Drewbert
5th March 2010, 07:33 PM
How is this bad news? It only minimizes the unfair advantage that would have occured if .rf would launch on April as previously planned.
By sept. hopefully both proceeses will be ready and launch.

Unfair advantage?

The whole reason there's a .ru and no .РФ is because the Internet was originally built out on an ASCII platform.

The fasttrack process is all about cancelling out the unfair advantage that latin-based languages have.

Fasttrack is good for IDN'ers because it gets some usable IDN TLD's in the root - finally = exposure for IDN technology and pressure on browser manufacturers to get with the program.

Don't go jeopardising that by claiming that ccTLD's have an unfair advantage over some TM owning TLD operators.

Leave the TLD operators to handle ICANN. If the fasttrack process got halted due to claims of unfair advantage it could be another 5 years before we get IDN TLD's in the root. ONCE there are some IDN ccTLD's in the root, the gTLD's might be able to leverage some sympathy. But let's not risk progress by having people claim unfair advantage too early!

DktoInc
5th March 2010, 08:24 PM
How is this bad news? It only minimizes the unfair advantage that would have occured if .rf would launch on April as previously planned.
By sept. hopefully both proceeses will be ready and launch.

I call June 12, Russia's independance day for RF to be launched

sbe18
6th March 2010, 10:31 PM
I guess one of the Arab cctld's will be first then...

Interesting...

or maybe Beckstrom finished all the
cnnic/verisign root DNSSEC/ICANN details for cnnic and the tw/hk/sg guys to
be first.

The silence from JPNIC is disappointing...

oh well.......

s/

bwhhisc
6th March 2010, 10:38 PM
The silence from JPNIC is disappointing...

But sometimes you get more accomplished in a faster period of time that way. ;)

Rubber Duck
7th March 2010, 08:06 PM
I call June 12, Russia's independance day for RF to be launched

Much depends on what you mean by launched.

It is possible for an extension to be inserted in the root and not be available to buy. It is also possible for it to be available to buy and in Root but still not resolve, because it is not live at the registry. I personally feel that .RF will in be in the Root long before that, but some people who may technically own them may not be able to use them and most people may still not be able to buy them until June. There will, however, of course be lots of hype before that fateful day. Once the hype starts then the sheep will start to follow the herd.

Drewbert
7th March 2010, 08:53 PM
The silence from JPNIC is disappointing...


JPNIC isn't the one who gets to apply to ICANN for the Japanese IDNccTLD.

I would HOPE that their silence in because they're too busy upgrading their terrible registration system to bring it kicking and screaming into the 21st century, in the hope that if they do, they get to administer the new ccTLD because it's been made clear to them that there is no guarantee it's theirs to administer.

DktoInc
9th April 2010, 01:46 AM
Much depends on what you mean by launched.

It is possible for an extension to be inserted in the root and not be available to buy. It is also possible for it to be available to buy and in Root but still not resolve, because it is not live at the registry. I personally feel that .RF will in be in the Root long before that, but some people who may technically own them may not be able to use them and most people may still not be able to buy them until June. There will, however, of course be lots of hype before that fateful day. Once the hype starts then the sheep will start to follow the herd.

I mean for it to be launched to the public, but I am not going to be surprised if ICANN decides to pull the plug on the RF for a while, due to the personal pocket filling strategies of Russian bureaucrats.

Drewbert
9th April 2010, 02:00 AM
I mean for it to be launched to the public, but I am not going to be surprised if ICANN decides to pull the plug on the RF for a while, due to the personal pocket filling strategies of Russian bureaucrats.

It's sovereign property. ICANN can't touch it.

Rubber Duck
9th April 2010, 05:34 AM
How is this bad news? It only minimizes the unfair advantage that would have occured if .rf would launch on April as previously planned.
By sept. hopefully both proceeses will be ready and launch.

You are making the mistake of assuming this is a Green Field site. It is not. The relative power of the brands has already been established in the consumers' minds. We are only arguing about representation here. Frankly, many will continue to use the ASCII formats for the extensions. Unlike the Keywords at the second level, these take no effort to remember.

DktoInc
10th April 2010, 12:43 AM
It's sovereign property. ICANN can't touch it.

1/2010: ICANN announces that Egypt, the Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates were the first countries to have passed the Fast Track String Evaluation within the IDN ccTLD domain application process.

I am sure they can pull the plug at any given time

Drewbert
10th April 2010, 02:19 AM
Well, they can try.

But if they do it using the reason "we don't like the pricing methodology the Russians are using", they'll be pushing shit uphill.

Any backpedalling by ICANN on IDNccTLD's at this late stage would see a rapid splitting-off of the root, and ICANN and the USG would lose their position of power.

DktoInc
10th April 2010, 02:55 AM
Well, they can try.

But if they do it using the reason "we don't like the pricing methodology the Russians are using", they'll be pushing shit uphill.

Any backpedalling by ICANN on IDNccTLD's at this late stage would see a rapid splitting-off of the root, and ICANN and the USG would lose their position of power.

interesting. What are the minuses and pluses of splitting off the root?

blastfromthepast
10th April 2010, 05:22 AM
:)

idncurious
10th April 2010, 08:14 PM
ONCE there are some IDN ccTLD's in the root, the gTLD's might be able to leverage some sympathy. But let's not risk progress by having people claim unfair advantage too early!



:yes: I agree. We should claim "unfair Advantage" only AFTER idn ccTLD are in the root.

idn ccTLD or idn gTLD, we are all on the same team. We need each other!

Besides, having ccTLD as soon as possible in the root is the stepping stone needed for gTLD to be in the root. (I just can't see both being added to the root at the same time- it is too much of a risk for ICANN to take.)

Like the famous saying 知己知比 which roughly translates to...

To feel your strength, touch your balls... to feel your weakness, touch your friend's


.

alpha
10th April 2010, 08:20 PM
To feel your strength, touch your balls... to feel your weakness, touch your friend's
.

Treat this as your final warning. Your inappropriate comments are uncomfortable to read and are generating complaints from other members.

idncurious
10th April 2010, 09:08 PM
Treat this as your final warning. Your inappropriate comments are uncomfortable to read and are generating complaints from other members.

Sorry, i work on porn all day and i forget to switch off that mode.

Pls delete the previous translation.

A better translation is...

To find your strength... feel yourself, to find your weakness... feel your friends.

sarcle
11th April 2010, 01:40 AM
interesting. What are the minuses and pluses of splitting off the root?

Um.. Bye, Bye, ICANN...

DktoInc
11th April 2010, 03:37 AM
Um.. Bye, Bye, ICANN...

Ok, so hypothetically lets say it happens. ICANN gone, internet is divided into cctld's, controlled by local governments. what happens to .com? does it fade out or becomes even a bigger center of attention and who will control it?

but even if the brunching off does happen, I don't believe that all countries will do it. Possibly Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, some African countries, Belarus... will branch off every one else who more or less believes in democracy will stay together under ICAAN.

Rubber Duck
11th April 2010, 08:13 AM
Ok, so hypothetically lets say it happens. ICANN gone, internet is divided into cctld's, controlled by local governments. what happens to .com? does it fade out or becomes even a bigger center of attention and who will control it?

but even if the brunching off does happen, I don't believe that all countries will do it. Possibly Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, some African countries, Belarus... will branch off every one else who more or less believes in democracy will stay together under ICAAN.

I don't think you get it. The Internet itself would be segmented. There would be lots of separate dot coms in each geographical area/country. Most of them controlled by government. Verisign would end up being US only in all probability. But don't worry it is about as likely as the US and Russians hurling Nuclear Warheads at each other.

sarcle
17th April 2010, 05:32 PM
More news we don't want to hear.

Priority registration for .РФ extended from May 11th to September 16th.

http://www.cybersecurity.ru/net/91779.html

:no:

DktoInc
17th April 2010, 07:53 PM
son of a блядь.....

sbe18
17th April 2010, 08:45 PM
I guess the payoff pipeline is having problems. ;)

or the amount of bogus tm claims are overwhelming the staff.
It would seem the Russians should try the hiring of '600' , that cnnic is going with ??? (grin).
Is the problem tied to resistance at the RU webmaster level not wanting to tell the management that certain names are taken at IDN dot com and false TM claims with .РФ ?

6 months....jeeeeesh.

s/

sarcle
18th April 2010, 01:02 AM
6 months....jeeeeesh.

s/


I can't help but think that this ALL has to do with ICANN. We were supposed to see .IDN in early 2010. That didn't happen. So now, we, as in the WHOLE WORLD, waits while ICANN tries to pull their heads out and gets moving. So that NON-LATIN languages can go live in the root and finally online.

Jan 21st the first countries .IDN were sent to IANA and we are still waiting. Does anyone here have a voice at ICANN? It seems they are in self-destruct mode.

If I were another country I would have told them to FUCK OFF years ago.

There is more bureaucracy in ICANN than in ANY government known EVER.

DktoInc
18th April 2010, 02:02 AM
Verisign would end up being US only in all probability. But don't worry it is about as likely as the US and Russians hurling Nuclear Warheads at each other.

So there is a chance ;)

sbe18
18th April 2010, 03:12 AM
is there one more process problem to consider ?

the submission to IANA is from ICANN itself and by itself ??

or
is the IANA submission up to the CCTLD authority only, after ICANN's 2 blessings ?

It would seem odd that Beckstrom would desire to miss the 'first half of 2010',

so the paper shuffle from registry to IANA is a reliable time sink to use for
6 months....
s/

sarcle
18th April 2010, 03:57 AM
So there is a chance

Nah, didn't you hear? Russia and the US are lovers again. :yes: We, as in the rest of the world, are more likely to precipitate a nuclear war involving Israel and the Middle East. But at least that mushroom cloud isn't hanging over the US now, right? Right? :no:


is there one more process problem to consider ?


That's the problem. They are holding up this whole process to figure out how they synchronize, Alias, DNAME, whatever you want to call it, IDN. A problem that's been there from the beginning, but they act like they didn't realize it until now.

Icann is IANA. They approve it. Then they have to have a board vote on it AGAIN after it passes IANA. WTF?????

Tina Dam is a liar.

Rubber Duck
18th April 2010, 08:24 AM
I think you will find that ICANN have a big birthday present for the Duck, and seeing as he went for the big Chinese Banquet last night, you should figure that he has not long to wait.

ozgurcelik
18th April 2010, 04:58 PM
I think you will find that ICANN have a big birthday present for the Duck, and seeing as he went for the big Chinese Banquet last night, you should figure that he has not long to wait.

My Chinese Banquet invitation must be lost in the mail. Can you please tell us when your birthday is? :yes:

Avtal
18th April 2010, 05:07 PM
and seeing as he went for the big Chinese Banquet last night

I trust that Duck was the diner, not the dinner.

Avtal

Rubber Duck
18th April 2010, 08:07 PM
My Chinese Banquet invitation must be lost in the mail. Can you please tell us when your birthday is? :yes:

The next board meeting is on the 22nd. I would expect some progress on IDN ccTLDs. Policy issues tend to get sorted at the big public meetings. Other more procedural matters tend to get pushed through between times. I doubt they want to approve the ccTLDs in Brussels, so I am guessing we should hear something this time.

domainguru
19th April 2010, 04:40 PM
The next board meeting is on the 22nd. I would expect some progress on IDN ccTLDs. Policy issues tend to get sorted at the big public meetings. Other more procedural matters tend to get pushed through between times. I doubt they want to approve the ccTLDs in Brussels, so I am guessing we should hear something this time.

Ummm ... we have all guessed that for as long as I care to forget .....

blastfromthepast
20th April 2010, 04:51 AM
Didn't they want to roll out .IDNccTLD at the same time as .IDNgTLD?