Ranking or premium IDN's in future and ICANN

[JP Blankert]

20 may 2010 12.00 lunch time Amsterdam there will be a webinar by ICANN about IDN.

The questions I asked upfront are: to organisere Glen @ icann.org:

1) how will IDN behave in pagerankings (we are used: keyword as domain name + good SEO practices -> domain name on search page 1), now
a) everything is being translated (and car.com directly competes with 'car' in Chinese .com through automatic translations) and
b) there are more scripts and languages and therefor more competition. 'We' (IDN experts outside Icann and Microsoft) are a bit shocked by the 'going bazook' of search engines and are therefore bit frightened to register more IDN (also on behalve of clients).

2) whether the principle of 'keyword.rightextension' ending up on search page 1 (provided good links and other SEO practices on top) will still hold after search engines will have stabilised.

Your views are welcome to me! jpblankert @ zonnet.nl

[thefabfive]

These sound more like questions for the search engines rather than ICANN.

[JP Blankert]

Haha, yes, a bit......but why should we register and host IDN's if they are indexed or ranked badly? There must be some kind of common understanding between Icann, w3.org and major search engines.....

[IDNCowboy]

Haha, yes, a bit......but why should we register and host IDN's if they are indexed or ranked badly? There must be some kind of common understanding between Icann, w3.org and major search engines.....

You're an IDN expert?

There is a certification?
They are ranked badly as nobody takes a chance to develop them. Read on the forums the many reasons. I am currently developing one that has nearly 1,000,000 exact and it is on page 3. (just started the site)

Great... Now we have a conference coming up and have less room for important questions that ICANN can actually take care of... They may just take these questions and say "no" and enjoy their five star hotel suites.

[JP Blankert]

Yes, I think I am a world class IDN expert now. I understand punycode, have names varying form punycode.net in Japanese to investment.net in Hindi. I am not a trader, I always develop my domain names. See numbers 1 in Netherlands depressie (.nl), burnout (.nl), slaappillen (.nl).

But the names ranked so far do not fastly climb high as I am used to.

לאינטרנט.NET (internet.net in Hebrew) is ranked - don't look at the very bad quarter baked website look - but it is ranked. I am used: when keyword = domain name, it goes straight to the top. Same with خاویار.ایران - (caviar.iran) - indexed and ranked, but hardly climbing. Because I am more than a trader - a domain name 'exploiter' for 10 years - I very well know how domain names behave in the Netherlands. Even 'verpleegtehuis' in the Netherlands: no inbound link at all, most ugly and off the mark website on the world (and mine): a few days after putting it online it went straight to the top (it means: 'elderly home' in Dutch).

That is why I start to doubt a bit about IDN....would search engines already match keywords with punycode of domain names? I doubt. A reason could be: NL is small, international is large and because of fierce competition it takes longer. On the other hand: NL has more websites (helas) than Israel (Hebrew), Iran (the farsi caviar) or even India (up to now....).

I by the way also experimented with all TLD's: .com, .net, .org, . info, .jobs, .travel, . name.......when one stays 'trader only' one never experiences that, but the ranking potential is enormously different for these TLD's. Gigantic. I have my favourites now ;)

But I guess very little people already have experience with ranking IDN, I am curious to this. I mean I have names like 網際色情.com - meaning cyberporn.com in Chinese. That is one I do not wish to exploit (don't like porn), but I would like to sell it. But how can I sell it when I am not sure how it will behave in rankings? As you will understand, I am very honest. But still a good salesman, I sell just through by enormous honesty ;)

Re. business I am completely focussing on IDN now, that's why I want to know how they will behave in rankings. I do not want to be a .jobs or .travel salesmen, they rank as poorly as a sinking ship.

[IDNCowboy]

Yes, I think I am a world class IDN expert now. I understand punycode, have names varying form punycode.net in Japanese to investment.net in Hindi. I am not a trader, I always develop my domain names. See numbers 1 in Netherlands depressie (.nl), burnout (.nl), slaappillen (.nl).

But the names ranked so far do not fastly climb high as I am used to.

לאינטרנט.NET (internet.net in Hebrew) is ranked - don't look at the very bad quarter baked website look - but it is ranked. I am used: when keyword = domain name, it goes straight to the top. Same with خاویار.ایران - (caviar.iran) - indexed and ranked, but hardly climbing. Because I am more than a trader - a domain name 'exploiter' for 10 years - I very well know how domain names behave in the Netherlands. Even 'verpleegtehuis' in the Netherlands: no inbound link at all, most ugly and off the mark website on the world (and mine): a few days after putting it online it went straight to the top (it means: 'elderly home' in Dutch).

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You are comparing apples and oranges.. Investments in any language is going to be harder to "rank" than "elderly homes"... Many of the top keywords in english are competitive due to heavy SEO. It is not going to give you a golden ticket to page 1. You have to work to earn it.

[JP Blankert]

Sorry, but here I notice again you have no exploitation experience whatsoever.

SEO is in many respects bullshit. It is the domain name that scores. SEO people are people with relative low IQ trying to make there money out of links and alt-tags etc. If a site has 10 links, it is enough to be number one. So execute a few links, try not to fool google, be honest, make a few pages on your site, a smart subdirectory and more there is not to do (if you think yes: start exploiting your first domain - I have 50 and a couple of numbers one).

Have you ever made a website, have you ever made a number one? I guess not.

Second point: you obviously do not understand that with IDN car.com in English goes into straight competition with car.com in Hebrew, car.com in Arab etc.

Sorry to say to, but I hope others will join in the discussion because you, IDN cowboy, have a very limited understanding of IDN, its consequences, ICANN goals behind, domain name explanation.

I had expected a higher level on this forum. Please stop with your superficial amateuristic writing.

Finally do not forget, as probably American, that only 311 m people on earth (of 6 trillion) have English as native language. This imbalance till so far on this world will be rectified. For you idea, there are 0,9 tr India 1,3 tr Chinese and Spanish is a more spoken language than English. That will be a great part of the IDN revolution 2010. Cowboys often have difficulty to understand this.

Philippe - member of Mensa (if that can cause any respect to an average cowboy not grasping IDN essence and not grasping domain exploitation essence)

[sbe18]

JP..
Welcome to the forum...but be forewarned.

As a moderator...Please refrain from a 'troll' tone in your replies.
7 posts on IDNF will not validate you as an IDN expert.

This community is based on respect and good humor, and patience.

Don't throw gauntlets on the forum...

denigration of a long term member is not a way to make a good impression.



Google.nl and google.com algorithms are not the same.

Page results for IDN terms are going to vary widely based on which search site domain people are using....

and now with mobile, google is likely to throw a curve to mobile browsers based on IP , network, OS, and handset and GPS/ cell tower lat/long

results for Google in HK/TW/SG are going to odd for a while based on strange problems relative to Traditional and Simp character use.

s/

[DktoInc]

Sorry, but here I notice again you have no exploitation experience whatsoever.

SEO is in many respects bullshit. It is the domain name that scores. SEO people are people with relative low IQ trying to make there money out of links and alt-tags etc. If a site has 10 links, it is enough to be number one. So execute a few links, try not to fool google, be honest, make a few pages on your site, a smart subdirectory and more there is not to do (if you think yes: start exploiting your first domain - I have 50 and a couple of numbers one).

Have you ever made a website, have you ever made a number one? I guess not.

Second point: you obviously do not understand that with IDN car.com in English goes into straight competition with car.com in Hebrew, car.com in Arab etc.

Sorry to say to, but I hope others will join in the discussion because you, IDN cowboy, have a very limited understanding of IDN, its consequences, ICANN goals behind, domain name explanation.

I had expected a higher level on this forum. Please stop with your superficial amateuristic writing.

Finally do not forget, as probably American, that only 311 m people on earth (of 6 trillion) have English as native language. This imbalance till so far on this world will be rectified. For you idea, there are 0,9 tr India 1,3 tr Chinese and Spanish is a more spoken language than English. That will be a great part of the IDN revolution 2010. Cowboys often have difficulty to understand this.

Philippe - member of Mensa (if that can cause any respect to an average cowboy not grasping IDN essence and not grasping domain exploitation essence)


There are 6 trillion people on earth?? I didn't know that. :eek:

Do you think Google will make a search engine on mars one day?

[sarcle]

There are 6 trillion people on earth?? I didn't know that. :eek:

Do you think Google will make a search engine on mars one day?

And he's a member of Mensa! Did they lower the entry bar?

Icann has nothing to do with how domains rank. That is up to the search engine's algo. That is the answer you will get anywhere.

Maybe your "expert" title needs a little dusting off.


'We' (IDN experts outside Icann and Microsoft) are a bit shocked by the 'going bazook' of search engines and are therefore bit frightened to register more IDN (also on behalve of clients).


Then don't.

[Wot]

Wow- we have a member of Mensa here-I am humbled.

Welcome.

[IDNCowboy]

Second point: you obviously do not understand that with IDN car.com in English goes into straight competition with car.com in Hebrew, car.com in Arab etc.
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I doubt it. So there are automatic translators. We are catering to different markets.

Is car.com currently in the japanese market? No.. They are too busy milking the U.S. market. There are so many ppc terms related to car that have high PPC rankings. They are too busy charging their advertisers tens of thousands of dollars to bother.

Also if you are a self claimed IDN expert you would have joined our forums years ago and actually participated. Getting information from here and not giving back isn't cool either. From the facts you have stated so far it seems you have taken in zilch.

[thefabfive]

Just as an aside...


לאינטרנט.NET (internet.net in Hebrew)


is not "Internet", but rather "to the Internet".

[alexd]

SEO is in many respects bullshit. It is the domain name that scores. SEO people are people with relative low IQ trying to make there money out of links and alt-tags etc. If a site has 10 links, it is enough to be number one. So execute a few links, try not to fool google, be honest, make a few pages on your site, a smart subdirectory and more there is not to do

So, Mr Mensa - by doing the above, I can get a website ranking on the first page of Google for a highly competitive term ?? I don't need any SEO at all ?? Either on-page or off-page ??
I can have all my page titles called "Untitled Document" - I can have no H1,H2 tags at all on my pages, I shouldnt have any Meta Keyword or Description Tags. All I need are a few pages of content and about 10 links ???

You might be able to do this if the domain you are using is www.Iamanexpertoneverything.nl - and you are searching for the term "I am an expert on everything" and you use google.nl and set if for sites from the Netherlands only. But most people here would like to have their developed sites ranking high for "real keywords" and search phrases.

If you are so good at what you do, and can get all your sites ranking number 1 for anything you choose, why don't you stick to ASCII and leave IDNs to the "real" experts that reside in these forums !!

Alex

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All members of Mensa have I.Q.s of at least 140.

At one Mensa convention, several members at a local cafe noticed the shaker with an S on top, for salt, contained pepper and their pepper shaker, with a P on top, was full of salt. How could they swap the contents of the bottles without spilling anything and using only the implements at hand? Clearly, here was the marvellous Mensa mystery!

They presented ideas, debated them, and finally came up with what they felt was a brilliant solution involving a napkin, a straw, and an empty saucer.

They called the blonde waitress over to dazzle her with their solution.
"Ma'am," they said, "we couldn't help but notice that the pepper shaker contains salt and the salt shaker contains..."

"Oh, sorry!" interrupted the blonde waitress. "Here," and she unscrewed the caps of both bottles and switched them.

[IDNCowboy]

'verpleegtehuis' looks like a typo. You have a top keyword with only 190,000 matches. The real term is "verpleeghui" with 254,000. (still not hard to rank).

I can't even find your sites rank for the "correct" spelling. Where are the top premiums you claim to have?

I rest my case... I cleared most of my portfolio of names that had bad search stats or were not the correct forms. With newer tools out now that weren't available before I have the ability to enchance my collection. As a self proclaimed expert you should have known that these are the wrong forms before posting them. There are plenty of tools that provide information.

[bumblebee man]

Yes, I think I am a world class IDN expert now.

EPIC FAIL

[DomainDialect]

Be careful; we don't want you to get Mensa cramps...:lol:

[bramiozo]

It's 'tehuis' and 'verpleeghuis', they are more or less synonyms.

Jeff, if you do anything out of the ordinary to rank your highly searched keyword can you let us know in the members only forum ?

JP Blankert, there is quite some knowledge on this forum so if you want to increase your IDN mana I suggest you tread carefully, i.e. show some respect to long standing members. In the mean time the idea that translations might compete with eachother is not that far fetched as a side-effect of google's automatic translation of queries and results but imo will not be considered as desirable by online businesses since it will increase the competition for every term by tenfold.

[JP Blankert]

I agree with respect, but I had expected a higher level on this forum.

I already explained everything in a certain balance; SEO helps a bit, but cannot do wonders. Cannot get a page from page 20 to page 15. Only with a top name a little bit of SEO helps.

Meanwhile, I was very open about my sites, my questions etc. But I find the reactions very closed and attacking. Nothing in above responses triggers me to share more. Nobody of you shares sites or domains that he has exploited. Obviously, everybody (above) seems to like attacking me without giving any openness about their own experience. I stop being the only one giving content.

You start with giving content and meanwhile I go on on somewhat higher level forums where people do REAL group learning and sharing. You all (above) were closed as an oister and attacking as a shark. I guess: typical domain name trader behavior without ever having exploited a domain name yourself. Good luck with yourself and maybe one day you understand what 'group learning is'

[alexd]

You start with giving content and meanwhile I go on on somewhat higher level forums where people do REAL group learning and sharing. You all (above) were closed as an oister and attacking as a shark. I guess: typical domain name trader behavior without ever having exploited a domain name yourself. Good luck with yourself and maybe one day you understand what 'group learning is'

If you took a little time and read through a number of threads on this forum, you will find that there are many members in here with developed IDNs that are doing very well in the search engines.

As for "group learning" I think if you spent some more time in this forum, you would find that most members here are very friendly and go out of their way to help others. I think what p*ssed a few people off in here was your attitude that you know everything and we don't. There are many members in this forum who can do excellent design and development work, others can do great SEO, and over the years, we have all shared experiences and thoughts with each other. At no point can I ever remember a member joining this forum, and making all these wild boasts about how they are "IDN experts" and that they seem to know everything.

How long have you been involved with IDNs ?? When did you register your first IDN ?? There are members here who have held IDNs for about 10 years - yet none of them come out and claim they are more of an IDN expert over other members here.

A little respect on your part would go a long way with this forum.

Just my thoughts.

Alex

P.S. The links below are some samples of sites I have developed. ( Just so you don't feel you are the only one who has shared their sites and work in here ! )

[JP Blankert]

Alex thanks! Where are your links? That's the real stuff!

Me being in IDN: only since 2009 (where German signs had a chance - broader since Icann video of Nov 16 2009). Breaking my head about rankings: 10 years I am a web entrepreneur exploiting sites.

I had a new idea (again!): if IDN words, why have a whole domain name in 1 script and 1 language like IDN forums? So I will try idn论坛.com which means IDN and the forum in Chines. I find it more elegant and I will quickly learn from the ranking.

[alexd]

Well I don't think that mixed script domains are allowed any more. So something like you suggested might not be allowed any longer.

From my experience with developered IDNs, I do think that they have the same chance of ranking well in the search engines as ASCII domains. At the end of the day, I will agree that the domain name plays some role, but I also think that a well developed site with some basic SEO will all play a role in how well the domain does in the search engines. Whether or not we agree on what SEO brings to a site, I think we can both agree that though a domain can play a role in the ranking of a site, there are many other factors that are also important. It is the combination of all of these that determines how a page/website will rank in the search engines.

For an example of developed IDNs in the search engines have a look at the following Google results page - http://www.google.gr/#hl=el&source=hp&q=%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%87%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%B1&meta=&rlz=1R2GGLL_enGR362&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=7c3062082200b703

Its from Google.gr for the search term 'παιχνιδια' which means games. You will see that on the first page - there are 3 sites that use an IDN. From that alone, I think you can rest assured that IDNs will continue to be ranked just as fairly as ASCII sites.

The only real way to find out all of this is to make some sites using IDNs and see how they operate. There are many members in here with full blown developed IDNs, or single page sites that also do well. With some of the IDNs that you have already registered, try knocking up a few pages and see what happens.

The whole IDN thing has been a weird and wonderful journey that has lasted many years, and we are now very close to reaching the destination. This "IDN Thing" is now just starting, so jump on board and enjoy the ride.

Alex

[IDNCowboy]

You had less than a year experience. I doubt you acquired premiums in the past year for reg fee. Many people still aren't developing and are in silent acquistion mode. If we told you our secrets it would be at our disadvantage. You'll still find information here but it will not contain confidential information. ;-)

[dave_5]

I started registering IDN’s in 2001.

I have a few fully developed sites that are “live” for 3 years. From my experience having a domain name which is also a keyword doesn’t guarantee higher ranking!

Some are on the first page some on page 8. It all depends on these factors:

1) How competitive is that keyword.

2) Google's rank of Idn’s (algorithm that could change any day). Currently it gives priority to .co.il ccTLD in google.co.il

3) Location of hosting server (Hebrew domain will most likely rank higher if hosted in Israel). preference to faster loading sites.

[bumblebee man]

@alex

I really appreciate your patience.

@JP Blankert

I'd really like to know what qualifies you as a "worldclass IDN expert". Is it your expert knowledge or your killer portfolio?

[alexd]

3) Location of hosting server (Hebrew domain will most likely rank higher if hosted in Israel). preference to faster loading sites.

Hi Dave

Regarding the location of the server hosting the domain name - is something that you are completely sure of ?? I had read so many conflicting reports as to whether the location of the server in the country you are trying to target really has any weight behind it. It does make sense to me that a site hosted on a server in the country you are targeting should have some factor to it, but I've never heard or seen anything conclusive as to whether or not this is completly true.

Have you any experience of this with hosting in Israel ??

One other thing that I cannot work out is the Google option of limiting your search to "Pages in Language A" or "Pages from Country A". The first I can understand - but the second ?? What actually constitutes a website from a specific country ?? Is it the server location, is is the address of the registrant of the domain ?? I ask this, as whenever I do a search for sites of mine ( Greek IDN ) and I limit the search parameters to "Pages from Greece", I can always see my sites in the results, even though they are hosted with a UK company whose server is located in the US. The only "Greek" thing about the site is my address on the whois.

Anyone have any experiences with server location ??

Alex

[dave_5]

Alex,

Google’s search algorithm is an enigma. No one really knows exactly what weight Google gives to each piece of data when it crawls your site.

It's known that site's speed is important to Google (think it was even stated by Google). Sites that load faster will provide better surfing experience to users.

A site that is aimed towards the Israeli market (Hebrew IDN or .co.il) will load faster if hosted in Israel. obviously if the server is fast.

You could have a server that is located in the US and be faster than the one in Israel. Google knows location from the IP of the server.

This is the opinion among many Israeli webmasters/SEO I have spoken to in the past.

“What actually constitutes a website from a specific country?”
ccTLD .co.il and Google associates the language of the IDN with the country.

old news link:
http://www.dailybloggr.com/2007/08/rank-high-with-your-server-location-advantage-on-google/
Google takes into consideration your server location, while delivering results on local/regional search engines

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/08/server-location-cross-linking-and-web.html

"Does location of server matter? I use a .com domain but my content is for customers in the UK.

In our understanding of web content, Google considers both the IP address and the top-level domain (e.g. .com, .co.uk). Because we attempt to serve geographically relevant content, we factor domains that have a regional significance. For example, ".co.uk " domains are likely very relevant for user queries originating from the UK. In the absence of a significant top-level domain, we often use the web server's IP address as an added hint in our understanding of content."

[alpha]

@JP Blankert

I'd really like to know what qualifies you as a "worldclass IDN expert". Is it your expert knowledge or your killer portfolio?

@JP Blankert

would you care to share with us what $ value you put on some of your domains you mentioned.

[alexd]

Interesting information you posted there Dave - thanks for that.

On the subject of server location and working better with your local country Google, I remembered that I had come across a setting in the "Webmasters Tools" section of Google.

Inside, if you have a TLD - com, net etc - you can actually manually set the Geographic target of the domain. So for my Greek IDNs, I set it to Greece, for my Russian, I set it to Russian.

More information about this can be found on the following link .... http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=62399&hl=en

It does look like there are several factors that determine how site work in the local country level Googles. In the above link, it says... "If no information is entered in Webmaster Tools, we'll continue to make geographic associations largely based on the top-level domain (e.g. .co.uk or .ca) and the IP address of the webserver from which the context was served." .. which I take to mean that if no geotargeting is set for the domain, then the domain extension itself and the IP would come into consideration.

With Google, you can never be too relaxed that if your site ranks well today - it doesn't mean that it will rank well tomorrow. At least it keeps us on our toes, and making us keep up to date with any major changes in their algorithms.

Alex

[sarcle]

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You start with giving content and meanwhile I go on on somewhat higher level forums where people do REAL group learning and sharing.

You know what. Fuck you.

Good luck on "another" forum. There isn't one for IDN and we share almost everything here. This forum has thousands of posts for the questions you've asked. Do some fucking research.


You all (above) were closed as an oister and attacking as a shark. I guess: typical domain name trader behavior without ever having exploited a domain name yourself. Good luck with yourself and maybe one day you understand what 'group learning is'

Okay, well then fuck off. Leave, later, bye.

Your "superior" brain should outshadow us all, Mr Mensa. You should be teaching us.

Yes, maybe you can tell us what group learning is. Read the goddamn forums and past posts.

But you can't even get translations correct. So I realize that you are full of shit. Show me one IDN that you own that is older than a year and maybe I'll believe you.

You started this post with a superior complex. Fuck off and leave if you don't like it.

We don't re-explain everything everytime a new member joins. Read the past FUCKING threads.

You own shit in IDN and you obviously know nothing.

Bye already.

[rhys]

Dave_5

I don't know what you know or don't know. We're actually quite a friendly and erudite group here at IDNF. The fact that you have many of our senior members hostile to you in the span of one thread is unequivocably a testimony to your utter inability to manager human relationships very well. It's a shame. It didn't have to be this way. Usually I find people like yourself who aren't very good at dealing with people, to be quite knowledgeable about something else of importance. I don't know what that is, it certainly isn't IDNs. I am sure that there is something that you know however and that you have some value intrinsically as a human being. But if you can't do a 180 on the attitude and you find no value in our little forum, I'd appreciate if you stop wasting time here. The world will go on perfectly well for you and the rest of us.

[IDNCowboy]

Quite an expert on namepros:

I am becoming a real IDN expert and have many top names, but I find almost nobody to discuss with. Linkedin.com has at least 120 m members, but only 2 others on the IDN forum and they are very quiet.

You couldn't type in IDN forums on google? You are an expert but didn't know the first place to discuss the topic at.

It comes up first for "IDN Forum", "IDN Forums", "Internationalized Domain Names", "International Domain Names"

[Drewbert]

Bye already.

Dude, don't keep stuff bottled up inside you. It's bad for the constitution. Let it all out. You'll feel better.

Oh, wait...

[Rubber Duck]

Dude, don't keep stuff bottled up inside you. It's bad for the constitution. Let it all out. You'll feel better.

Oh, wait...

Well, at least he pre-empted me. The Kudos from Namepros is getting banned.

[Avtal]

For an example of developed IDNs in the search engines have a look at the following Google results page - http://www.google.gr/#hl=el&source=hp&q=%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%87%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%B1&meta=&rlz=1R2GGLL_enGR362&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=7c3062082200b703

Its from Google.gr for the search term 'παιχνιδια' which means games. You will see that on the first page - there are 3 sites that use an IDN. From that alone, I think you can rest assured that IDNs will continue to be ranked just as fairly as ASCII sites.

Thanks Alex for the interesting example!

I searched for 'παιχνιδια' on Yahoo and Bing. Yahoo listed the same three IDN sites as Google (in a different order), but it displayed the site name in punycode instead of unicode :confused:. Bing listed only one of the sites on the front page, but at least the site name was in unicode.

So there are still problems with the way search engines rank IDNs; Google seems better than the others at this point. But if I were to distract ICANN from the main goal (moving to [.com in IDN]), I would ask them first to work on getting the major browsers to handle IDNs correctly (Hello, Firefox!). But ICANN seems to have trouble enough managing their own business; no use asking them to manage others as well.

Avtal, Ph.D.

[squirrel]

Avtal, Ph.D.

an expert, at last

[alexd]

I searched for 'παιχνιδια' on Yahoo and Bing. Yahoo listed the same three IDN sites as Google (in a different order), but it displayed the site name in punycode instead of unicode :confused:. Bing listed only one of the sites on the front page, but at least the site name was in unicode.

What I find weird is that with Yahoo, they display some IDNs as Punycode and others as Unicode. For example, if I do a search for a Japanese word that I will will show me a few IDNs on the first page of results, then these all appear correctly in Unicode. If I do the same with a Greek work, it shows me Punycode.

Surely if Yahoo are able to display some languages as Unicode, it shouldn't be that difficult to display all of them !! And with this example, I am talking about searches done on Yahoo.com and not any local Yahoo sites.

Alex

[bumblebee man]

Surely if Yahoo are able to display some languages as Unicode, it shouldn't be that difficult to display all of them !! And with this example, I am talking about searches done on Yahoo.com and not any local Yahoo sites.


Technically this shouldn't be a problem. My guess would be that they don't care for other markets quite as much as for the Japanese one.

[sarcle]

Dude, don't keep stuff bottled up inside you. It's bad for the constitution. Let it all out. You'll feel better.

Oh, wait...

Lol. Yeah, I do feel better.

Attention!

Just a note to all the noobs, lurkers, and asshats in general. I understand IDN are getting more news and many more people are becoming interested in and aware of IDN. If you feel like starting a post, do it. If someone disagrees with you. Move on. Don't get butthurt and start disrespecting the very members that are the glue to this forum. You will get called out. You will be ostracized and become an instant "outsider" on this forum. Then good luck getting people to respect you in the future.

If you have a question. Do a search first. At least get informed about what is going on here, and what has already been discussed before you pop off at the mouth and publicly make an ass out of yourself. It's not the way to get us to help you or answer your questions.

This has been a public service announcement.

[IDNCowboy]

This has been a public service announcement.

Are you an IDN expert?

[tee1]

@our new members & lurkers.
ask questions but first search the forum to see if its been answered before. I am biased but our members here are top notch, we have experience in a wide range business areas and internet related technologies, we didn't just fall off the bus and find the Internet. Also please refrain from trolling & personal attacks and you will be fine.

we will be more than happy to help we are ALL here to push IDNs forward and one last thing welcome to the ride.


@sarcle
I think we need mentors or big brothers for our newbies, you know someone to make them feel special, I thought you might be the best one to get this started, given your polite, understated, warm and fuzzy, non-direct way of communicating. :D

if sacle doesn't want the job, are you up for it Jeff?

Lol. Yeah, I do feel better.

Attention!

Just a note to all the noobs, lurkers, and asshats in general. I understand IDN are getting more news and many more people are becoming interested in and aware of IDN. If you feel like starting a post, do it. If someone disagrees with you. Move on. Don't get butthurt and start disrespecting the very members that are the glue to this forum. You will get called out. You will be ostracized and become an instant "outsider" on this forum. Then good luck getting people to respect you in the future.

If you have a question. Do a search first. At least get informed about what is going on here, and what has already been discussed before you pop off at the mouth and publicly make an ass out of yourself. It's not the way to get us to help you or answer your questions.

This has been a public service announcement.

[sarcle]

Are you an IDN expert?

Not even close. Nor will I ever proclaim myself to be one. I learn new stuff everyday.

The moment you believe you know everything is the moment you stop learning anything.

[sarcle]

@sarcle
I think we need mentors or big brothers for our newbies, you know someone to make them feel special, I thought you might be the best one to get this started, given your polite, understated, warm and fuzzy, non-direct way of communicating. :D


I'll take the big brothers for little sisters. Just send me your newbie credentials and a bust shot via pm to apply. ;)

Jeff can take all the guys.

[IDNCowboy]

I'll take the big brothers for little sisters. Just send me your newbie credentials and a bust shot via pm to apply. ;)

Jeff can take all the guys.

little sisters? :P anyways.....

Adam holds all the premies ;P

[rhys]

Same here, if there are more women than Sarcle can handle, I'll gladly take them on.

[bashaar]

I agree with respect, but I had expected a higher level on this forum.

I already explained everything in a certain balance; SEO helps a bit, but cannot do wonders. Cannot get a page from page 20 to page 15. Only with a top name a little bit of SEO helps.

Meanwhile, I was very open about my sites, my questions etc. But I find the reactions very closed and attacking. Nothing in above responses triggers me to share more. Nobody of you shares sites or domains that he has exploited. Obviously, everybody (above) seems to like attacking me without giving any openness about their own experience. I stop being the only one giving content.

You start with giving content and meanwhile I go on on somewhat higher level forums where people do REAL group learning and sharing. You all (above) were closed as an oister and attacking as a shark. I guess: typical domain name trader behavior without ever having exploited a domain name yourself. Good luck with yourself and maybe one day you understand what 'group learning is'

Let me make this simple , as a member of this forum I have no clue what you are talking about and i do not need to know , all i know is , i own great premium IDN's which i got and that i am in it for $$$$$ . :yes:

[domainguru]

Let me make this simple , as a member of this forum I have no clue what you are talking about and i do not need to know , all i know is , i own great premium IDN's which i got and that i am in it for $$$$$ . :yes:

I rarely have any idea what forum members are talking about. Just my opinion.

However, read this:

"I already explained everything in a certain balance; SEO helps a bit, but cannot do wonders. Cannot get a page from page 20 to page 15. Only with a top name a little bit of SEO helps."

Bullshite.

[555]

Your views are welcome to me!
:shit:

[Wot]

Are you an IDN expert?

I think I know somebody who knows one the brother of one- does that count? :)