Things slowing down?

[Olney]

Hey guys did I notice that things are slowing down recently?
I think registration is up:)
I think pageviews are up:)
A few good domains are being bought

But in the whole I think I'm seeing less & less listings.

I'm not exactly saying this is a bad thing or anything.

I think this month & last I might not have done any auctions & only did a few sale postings.

Personally I haven't had much free time at night. I think for the first time I've been buying more from people than selling in numbers myself.

Anyway want to see what's up... Is the IDN wells of domains drying up? Did we already get them all?

[Explorer]

One line of thinking is that an IDN holder would only sell if he could spend that money to reg more. Since quality names are mostly gone, a pressure to sell is just not that strong.

[alpha]

I was thinking this too. It's likely now that IDN (via IDNF anyway) won't get a mention in DNJ next week or for some time, it really has slowed down IMO.

[touchring]

A lot of people that registered much earlier (last year or earlier) have sold whatever they can sell.

And a lot of domains on sale right now are basically registered only a few days or weeks ago, and with an $xxxx price tag.

Lots of fishing...but give another few more weeks, once they realize they can't sell, price will start tumbling to even reg fee.

I would bet this would happen by the end of this month or early next month.


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[alpha]

The duck flys ;) back in next week. He'll be selling still I suppose.

[bwhhisc]

Hey guys did I notice that things are slowing down recently?
I Is the IDN wells of domains drying up? Did we already get them all?

I was thinking exactly the same thing, few listings a lot of B grade idns. Or, sellers asking a lot ($10,000 each for these- http://www.dnforum.com/f318/net-net-net-com-net-net-net-com-com-net-com-thread-151296.html. Because seller left out the (. ) in his post, I pm'd him if he meant $100.00 or $10000 and it was $10K! He says he is sticking to his prices if it takes 10 years...

THE WELL?? I don't think the IDN well is anywhere near drying up. You just have to work a bit harder, and be a bit more creative to find them. Or for the new guys, partner up with others and share resources. Many idn's we try and reg in Chinese that are taken, we find are open in Japanese, or Thai. In particular this is true of two word combos. I think the figure of idns vs. ascii booked is something like 700k to 50 million ascii (anyone know for sure??).

$10,000,000 PORFOLIOS- At least 9 people here at IDNF put the "current" value of their portfolio at this range and up (self not included). With the upcoming release of IE7 many are probably holding their porfolios, not wanting to sell now, and kick themselves a year from now.

SUMMARY: Psychologically I think people are in the wait and see mode for the mid-term, probably at least until the end of the year. We may also see some selling to cover 2nd year reg. fees starting beginning of next year.

Lots of fishing...but give another few more weeks, once they realize they can't sell, price will start tumbling to even reg fee. I would bet this would happen by the end of this month or early next month..

The BIG dump will come when reg fees start kicking...I don't think that will happen until late in year myself since that is when things really started rolling. Although you may be right that some will sell off at reg fee to "upgrade" the money into better terms. In retrospect I have been seeing a bit of that now.

[Giant]

There are too many junks floating around and asking for $x,xxx. This is not helpful at this stage of IDN. I sold [camera].com $4,000, but 他妈的.net is on sale asking $5,000. Camera is a hot item industrial name, while 他妈的.net is not even worth the reg fee. Westerners like these type of names, but remember Chinese have a very different searching behaviour, they don't search curse names. Most names (on sale) regged after February were regged with Westerners in mind, they are not what the Chinese (the real market) want. These names will hurt investment drive later, when investors discover the "garbage" in their possession.

We are at the new frontier of domaining, what we can do now will greatly affect the development of IDN.

[varchar]

Well, Giant, congratuate on your sale of "camera'.com for $4k. But no offense, there is nothing wrong for people to price tag each name at any price. Yes, I agree that 他妈的.net probably don't worth $5k... I post that because I see a lot of people post idns in $xx,xxx range.

I am still sort of new in this IDN market (only 2 weeks). I have been reading a lot of buying and selling before then... but definitely this 2 weeks, I am seeing less and less.

[sarcle]

There are a few things I do see. Buyers and Sellers alike just sitting on their idns hoping the sky turns from rain to dropping gold coins is one of them. In order for a market to materialize sites need to be built. Considering the internet is devoid of a serious IDN site that has ranking and popularity there is a hole to be filled. Public awareness is the most important thing right now and this isn't being tackled.

Sitting complaining about what sellers will sell for and what buyers will pay is pointless to me as this is always supply and demand. Although I have seen a lot of socialist thoughts on controling this lately. It's not how many times an idn changes hands that gives it value. It's how important is this IDN to the online community. And right now, it's not that important.

The only thing hurting the investment drive, as it was put, is there is nothing serious being done in the public eyes to give them any value. We have the browser in Japanese, Arabic, Spanish, ect... Isn't it time to get some sites built?

[Giant]

Well, Giant, congratuate on your sale of "camera'.com for $4k. But no offense, there is nothing wrong for people to price tag each name at any price. Yes, I agree that 他妈的.net probably don't worth $5k... I post that because I see a lot of people post idns in $xx,xxx range.

I am still sort of new in this IDN market (only 2 weeks). I have been reading a lot of buying and selling before then... but definitely this 2 weeks, I am seeing less and less.

I use your sales for a general example, I am not blaming you in particular. You have your freedom to do that, but I also have my freedom to suggest something to maintain a reasonable and healthy IDN market.

Why Dell don't sell their computers crazily expensive? Because computer business is in a "healthy" state. IDN is not, we should try to make it as "healthy" as possible.

[thegenius1]

Sitting complaining about what sellers will sell for and what buyers will pay is pointless to me as this is always supply and demand. Although I have seen a lot of socialist thoughts on controling this lately. It's not how many times an idn changes hands that gives it value. It's how important is this IDN to the online community. And right now, it's not that important.
.. Isn't it time to get some sites built?


Could not have said it better , There will always be issues with people whom hold a smaller amount of good names, naturally they will put more value on them then people who have hundreds of good names , the market is filled with a buch of different people, and like sarcle says you just cant complain about it , time to build sites and let the currency of the World rain on us

[Giant]

There are a few things I do see. Buyers and Sellers alike just sitting on their idns hoping the sky turns from rain to dropping gold coins is one of them. In order for a market to materialize sites need to be built. Considering the internet is devoid of a serious IDN site that has ranking and popularity there is a hole to be filled. Public awareness is the most important thing right now and this isn't being tackled.

Sitting complaining about what sellers will sell for and what buyers will pay is pointless to me as this is always supply and demand. Although I have seen a lot of socialist thoughts on controling this lately. It's not how many times an idn changes hands that gives it value. It's how important is this IDN to the online community. And right now, it's not that important.

The only thing hurting the investment drive, as it was put, is there is nothing serious being done in the public eyes to give them any value. We have the browser in Japanese, Arabic, Spanish, ect... Isn't it time to get some sites built?

No doubt, some good sites will help. But you 're talking to the wrong people. Domain name investors and site developers are 2 different kinds of people, requiring different talents.

Site development is a long term strategy requiring a lot of planning, but reasonable trading rules are in need now and can be done fairly easily.

[mulligan]

Well I have a bunch of real estate names that I want to develop, the only thing is I dont know where to even start as I know nothing about websites, development/design or building

[sarcle]

No doubt, some good sites will help. But you 're talking to the wrong people. Domain name investors and site developers are 2 different kinds of people, requiring different talents.

Site development is a long term strategy requiring a lot of planning, but reasonable trading rules are in need now and can be done fairly easily.

I don't see it that way. I am not a developer but I can buy a book on html, and put up a one page domain with relevant content, get it higher rankings than just a parked site, and get awareness out. I know absolutely nothing about site developement yet I've managed to put up 10 sites so far, shoestring mind you, but there are several with decent enough search rankings to get noticed.

But the underlying question to all of this is "how far are we willing to take it to make our investments pay off"? I am willing to go all the way. Even if that means paying someone $300 dollars to get a site built on my most popular idn to get awareness out as it benefits everyone here.

[Giant]

I don't see it that way. I am not a developer but I can buy a book on html, and put up a one page domain with relevant content, get it higher rankings than just a parked site, and get awareness out. I know absolutely nothing about site developement yet I've managed to put up 10 sites so far, shoestring mind you, but there are several with decent enough search rankings to get noticed.

But the underlying question to all of this is "how far are we willing to take it to make our investments pay off"? I am willing to go all the way. Even if that means paying someone $300 dollars to get a site built on my most popular idn to get awareness out as it benefits everyone here.

I admire your thinking and your work on your sites, but the truth is these are only small helps. We need big and "real" sites to create influence.

I have been a site developer since 1995. That's my business, I don't do sites myself, I have people helping me. If you look at some of my domains, you'll know where I'm coming from.

花木.com Huamu.com
中国人才.com Chinatalents.com
华语.com 汉语.com ChineseNow.com EasyChinese.com
...

I have about 100 sets of names are for sites. But when I say sites, I mean sites that can make money, sites that have a business model.

Honestly, it's not easy. I tried to raise 20K for a small site, but it's not up yet because there are many details I still haven't figured out yet. The hard part is to have people help doing the business and at the sametime I can maintain the balance sheet.

Small sites help in some way but I prefer large and successful sites.

[sarcle]

Never said I was a big help but all of us as a whole will make a difference.

It sure beats sitting here complaining about prices. Which will never get us anywhere.

And what's successful in your eyes? A domain going from 20 visitors to over 300 uniques a day and rising, with only a days work involved and no money involved in building? There are varying degrees. You can't build a major site without laying foundation first. And this to me is a foundation that investors will be interested in.

[Giant]

Never said I was a big help but all of us as a whole will make a difference.

It sure beats sitting here complaining about prices. Which will never get us anywhere.

And what's successful in your eyes? A domain going from 20 visitors to over 300 uniques a day and rising, with only a days work involved and no money involved in building? There are varying degrees. You can't build a major site without laying foundation first. And this to me is a foundation that investors will be interested in.

Yes, all domainers wish they could have done something as you have. But when you have more than a thousand names to maintain and are constantly looking for better strategy in acquiring and selling more names, how much luxury you still have for sites?

I don't want to work too hard, even I know more money is better. I enjoy domaining only when I find it a pleasure and not pressure.

[sarcle]

I don't want to work too hard

Who does? And I agree. The thought of something for nothing is what brought me into this area of investing. But a little is needed to attain what we are after.

And I believe we all will get it. The time it takes to get "it" is up to us entirely.

And we will all be sitting there having drinks at our first IDN conference very soon. :)

[bwhhisc]

And we will all be sitting there having drinks at our first IDN conference very soon. :)

What happened to the conference being organized by donwebcorleone? I think he was shooting for November of this year...he kind of disappeared.

[thegenius1]

What happened to the conference being organized by donwebcorleone? I think he was shooting for November of this year...he kind of disappeared.

If anybody has his email address PM it to me i would like to speak with him again , shame he left

[sarcle]

What happened to that conference being organized by donwebcorleone?

I was wondering the same thing myself. :confused: Of course he had to make a stand when everyone was stealing all of his ideas. Probably silently watching, waiting, to rise like a Phoenix on the mound of all of our ashes.

[bwhhisc]

I was wondering the same thing myself. :confused: Of course he had to make a stand when everyone was stealing all of his ideas. Probably silently watching, waiting, to rise like a Phoenix on the mound of all of our ashes.

No, I think he got PO'd when some didn't like his idea to bring the Adult Entertainment community as guests to the convention to pitch adult idn sites to, and his idea of lots of uhhhhhhhhh...girls, to keep it all interesting. I think some got the wrong idea about him- I think he felt he was just trying to be a thoughtful host.

[sarcle]

Yeah, I actually liked seeing his remarks, brought a smile to my face.

The problem I had was that any suggestions or anytime someone was being critical he always took it as a personal attack and then came after that person with a vengance. Coming up with fresh ideas for discussion is one thing, bringing the sword down on someone for disagreeing is another.

[bramiozo]

There are a few things I do see. Buyers and Sellers alike just sitting on their idns hoping the sky turns from rain to dropping gold coins is one of them. In order for a market to materialize sites need to be built. Considering the internet is devoid of a serious IDN site that has ranking and popularity there is a hole to be filled. Public awareness is the most important thing right now and this isn't being tackled.

Sitting complaining about what sellers will sell for and what buyers will pay is pointless to me as this is always supply and demand. Although I have seen a lot of socialist thoughts on controling this lately. It's not how many times an idn changes hands that gives it value. It's how important is this IDN to the online community. And right now, it's not that important.

The only thing hurting the investment drive, as it was put, is there is nothing serious being done in the public eyes to give them any value. We have the browser in Japanese, Arabic, Spanish, ect... Isn't it time to get some sites built?

This is key, we need solid proof for investors that good idn's are indeed profitable, we need to pull it out of the speculative non-tangible phase it's currently in.

Think of the gems we all have, generics that can directly serve as a sales platform for some sort of product, yes more effort must be put into building a good online business but it will work both ways, it will solidify the illusive potential of your porfolio and you have a significant income from your developed site.

I am positive Dave is working on webdevelopment, albeit through outsourcing :).

[bwhhisc]

Yeah, I actually liked seeing his remarks, brought a smile to my face.

Donwebcorleone was definately one of a kind character, no doubt kept things lively. I am sure his convention would have been one not to be missed. We have surely not seen the last of him in the idn world....

[Giant]

Yes, I think Donwebcorleone had many good ideas and I enjoyed reading his posts. But isn't he still here with another name? idnceo probably knows him very well, I guess.

[thegenius1]

But isn't he still here with another name? idnceo probably knows him very well, I guess.

What makes you say that ?

[Giant]

What makes you say that ?

Instinct :-)

Did I guess wrong? Why?

[IDNCowboy]

I don't appreciate how don got me and some others to send him the whole list of IDNs... he claimed he was going to show businesses the list and try to sell them the names........



(weeks later the .net's and .jp's become registered)

interesting;........

[Olney]

Well This shouldn't have turned into the where's Don thread.

Anyway yeah I'm moving into development currently. My net connection at home was out for 2 weeks.
The IDNs I've been buying recently are for development. Think theGenious has a great Idea if he can come up with IDN templates. it may not be for every term but for those sites that the overture bidrate is high & there's plenty of advertisers it's better to take a chance..

Since I just got Canada & England (doubtful of a sale of a jp) I'm thinking maybe I'll create a directory & forum for Japanese about the countries probably target international students...

Also Giant, $20,000 is a lot. I'd suggest finding another programming team that's cheaper.

[blastfromthepast]

Yeah, I actually liked seeing his remarks, brought a smile to my face.

The problem I had was that any suggestions or anytime someone was being critical he always took it as a personal attack and then came after that person with a vengance. Coming up with fresh ideas for discussion is one thing, bringing the sword down on someone for disagreeing is another.

He was just reacting in a Japanese way, although his English is good, he couldn't handle the directness of some of the people here.

Instinct :-)

Did I guess wrong? Why?

Don claimed to be a graduate student at Todai. Nobody from Todai using a Todai IP has been reading recently on this board.

[Giant]

Also Giant, $20,000 is a lot. I'd suggest finding another programming team that's cheaper.

No, programming is only 1/3 or 1/4 of the budget, contents and services have to be bought all the time. Money to pay staff too. That's the budget for 6 months. Most of the sites I am planning are real business with products and services. I am experimenting a chain business in China. If a site in one city is working, I can copy it to all other cities.

[gammascalper]

Don claimed to be a graduate student at Todai. Nobody from Todai using a Todai IP has been reading recently on this board.

Where do you see IP addresses on this forum?

[Giant]

Where do you see IP addresses on this forum?

Did Olney sell this forum to Blast last month? I am confused! I just had a few glasses of red wine.

[Olney]

I believe it was a question...
I can't see any regular member having access to IPs.

[markits]

After a long battle (and some public humiliation at this forum), I have finally secured a Japanese premium. I am looking to develop it.

[burnsinternet]

What'd you get?

[blastfromthepast]

I believe it was a question...
I can't see any regular member having access to IPs.

If you insert a picture, you can track who's viewing the message.

Did Olney sell this forum to Blast last month? I am confused! I just had a few glasses of red wine.

No, not really. He won't even tell me how or why some people turn into greedy members on here.

[Giant]

If you insert a picture, you can track who's viewing the message.
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This is really bloody smart!