The definitive story on Chinese Parking

[alpha]

Theres a couple of threads that keep touching on the parking of Chinese names, and how Sedo and ND are blocked in China; however nobody has outright answered the question:

Should we even attempt to park Chinese Names, or is the only option to host a Adsense page?

If parking is an option, is SilverClicks accesible from within China, and if so, is it likely to go the same way as Sedo and ND?

[blastfromthepast]

Visitors: 2
Searches: 1
Clicks: 0
China Revenue: ¥1.06

Amazing program. For 0 clicks you get ¥1.06.

Somehow, I don't believe their stats at all. I tried hosting on my own server, and I get a lot more than 2 mainland China visitors over the same period of time.

[alpha]

Visitors: 2
Searches: 1
Clicks: 0
China Revenue: ¥1.06

Amazing program. For 0 clicks you get ¥1.06.

parked where?

[blastfromthepast]

parked where?

Silverclicks.

[alpha]

Silly question... is Silver Clicks only for Chinese names?

if so, what are we supposed to do with terms that translate in both Chinese and Japanese?

Parking with SC will exclude Japanese users
Parking with ND will exlclude Chinese users

or have i got this all wrong?

[touchring]

Visitors: 2
Searches: 1
Clicks: 0
China Revenue: ¥1.06

Amazing program. For 0 clicks you get ¥1.06.

Somehow, I don't believe their stats at all. I tried hosting on my own server, and I get a lot more than 2 mainland China visitors over the same period of time.


Can anyone verify this?

[blastfromthepast]

if so, what are we supposed to do with terms that translate in both Chinese and Japanese?

The ideal situation would be to run your own server that senses the IP or the Browser Language and routes traffic towards the right PPC program.

[touchring]

The ideal situation would be to run your own server that senses the IP or the Browser Language and routes traffic towards the right PPC program.


I bet that 90% of chinese domain traffic outside china are from speculators, so it will not be worthwhile doing this. The best scenario will be for Namedrive to setup a separate server for Chinese domains and for partner Google to display Chinese ads - we know Google has chinese ads.

[alpha]

I bet that 90% of chinese domain traffic outside china are from speculators, so it will not be worthwhile doing this. The best scenario will be for Namedrive to setup a separate server for Chinese domains and for partner Google to display Chinese ads - we know Google has chinese ads.

you're heavily invested in Chinese names I guess.. is this your advice then, wait for ND?

[touchring]

you're heavily invested in Chinese names I guess.. is this your advice then, wait for ND?


It's better to park at SC first while things work out on ND, who knows how long it will take?

In the meantime, Sedo is actively trying to fix the Chinese firewall problem, so maybe they will get there first.

[blastfromthepast]

I bet that 90% of chinese domain traffic outside china are from speculators, so it will not be worthwhile doing this.

The intent is to separate out Japanese and Korean traffic from Chinese. It's not speculator traffic.

Example: I get mixed traffic on 美女.tv. I need to route the Japanese traffic to the right adult sites, and the Chinese traffic I don't know where, and American IP traffic elsewhere since Japanese adult affiliates don't accept American traffic, and won't accept Chinese orders either due to credit card fraud and scamming from China, also non-mainland China traffic needs to go somewhere too.

It's too bad it is so segregated, but thats only the governments' faults.

[alpha]

The intent is to separate out Japanese and Korean traffic from Chinese. It's not speculator traffic.

Example: I get mixed traffic on 美女.tv. I need to route the Japanese traffic to the right adult sites, and the Chinese traffic I don't know where, and American IP traffic elsewhere since Japanese adult affiliates don't accept American traffic, and won't accept Chinese orders either due to credit card fraud and scamming from China.

what a nightmare.

[blastfromthepast]

what a nightmare.

We are going to see this problem a lot more. If you own domains that are the same in Chinese and Japanese, especially if they are also the same in simplified and traditional, you have some work to do, and fast too, sice if you don't route it correctly, you could loose out and have your IP banned by the wall of China for example.

If anyone has the right code for apache's config file to do sensing by IP region, I would really appreciate some tips.

[alpha]

We are going to see this problem a lot more. If you own domains that are the same in Chinese and Japanese, especially if they are also the same in simplified and traditional, you have some work to do, and fast too, sice if you don't route it correctly, you could loose out and have your IP banned by the wall of China for example.

well routing and hosting and all that messing about sounds like way to much trouble. If i wanted to develop a site, then yes - but if all I want to do is park and test traffic, it sounds like I need to choose between 3 countries, and then alternate between parking providers collecting stats.

edit: so for the record:

Japanese: parked at ND
Simplified Chinese: parked at SC
Traditional Chinese: can that be parked at ND? Taiwan don't block do they?

[idn1234]

If you own domains that are the same in Chinese and Japanese, especially if they are also the same in simplified and traditional, you have some work to do, and fast too, sice if you don't route it correctly, you could loose out and have your IP banned by the wall of China for example.

Hi

Could you expand on this issue a little more please?

I have a domain, that is the same in Japanese and
Chinese (simp and trad). It is a .jp, and i've got it
parked at ND.

I'm just not clear on what routing has to do with IP
banning? (am I being naive?).

Regards

[alpha]

Hi

Could you expand on this issue a little more please?

I have a domain, that is the same in Japanese and
Chinese (simp and trad). It is a .jp, and i've got it
parked at ND.

I'm just not clear on what routing has to do with IP
banning? (am I being naive?).

Regards

it's a .JP, so you are not concerned about the chinese market.

[bwhhisc]

I guess this is silverclicks (sister company?)- Hong Kong based www.dopa.com for Chinese Parking

WEBSITE TEXT- is basically same as silverclicks- QUOTE:
What's Dopa- It's the first domain parking system for China traffic and base in China. Get paid for clicks on sponsored links while your domain is parking with Dopa. While parking, your domain will show sponsored links that can earn money for you while you are sleeping.
Predominance of Dopa
· The unique domain parking system supports china traffic;
· The maximum revenue ensured with patent technology;
· Next 8 payouts;
· Supports Chinese IDN domains.
How to join Dopa
If you are managing a portfolio with domain traffic above 1,000 unique visitors per day, please call us at +86.571.85354101 or email us at Support@Dopa.com.

[alpha]

i have a few hundred names parked there. I earnt nearly 1 yen last month. hmmm great.

[zibin]

Yes, u r right.

silverclicks and dopa seemed almost to be the same company. What diff company uses same office lot? Check out their "Contact Us" ;)


Their page template looks almost like yahoo mail's. Is this some template engine? Any1 knows?

[touchring]

I got about 80 names parked there, earned about 15-16 yuan average a day until last weeks when it dropped to 7-8 yuan a day. :o

Company looks fine though.

[idn1234]

it's a .JP, so you are not concerned about the chinese market.

Wow, you're nice and sociable aren't you?...

[bwhhisc]

Wow, you're nice and sociable aren't you?...

You misread his post. He is saying there is no sense in parking Japanese names (.jp) at a company that only specializes in CHINESE idn parking.

[Drewbert]

If anyone has the right code for apache's config file to do sensing by IP region, I would really appreciate some tips.

mod_geoip

[thefabfive]

Made about 40 yuan from SC last month on several hundred names. Not great but something is trickling in. Traffic dipped towards the end of May but is now back to pre-dip levels.

There was also a message on SC that says there was an error made in reporting or something and that we'll be compensated for the lower than normal traffic. Don't know much more though.

[bwhhisc]

Made about 40 yuan

How much is that in dollars and how is it paid to you?

[touchring]

Made about 40 yuan from SC last month on several hundred names. Not great but something is trickling in. Traffic dipped towards the end of May but is now back to pre-dip levels.

There was also a message on SC that says there was an error made in reporting or something and that we'll be compensated for the lower than normal traffic. Don't know much more though.



Can anyone make out the difference between clicks and searches?

Domain Visitors Searches Clicks CTR
xxxx.com 1323 4573 891 19%

In the above example, there are 1323 visitors and 4573 search - hard to believe that every visitor will search 4 times! Also, the CTR is based on Clicks / Searches ? ?

[gammascalper]

I moved to dopa. They've promised to move my $ balance from SC.

Dopa breaks out earnings per domain which is a HUGE improvement over SC.

Just make sure you get your $$ transferred.

[blastfromthepast]

I bet that 90% of chinese domain traffic outside china are from speculators, so it will not be worthwhile doing this. The best scenario will be for Namedrive to setup a separate server for Chinese domains and for partner Google to display Chinese ads - we know Google has chinese ads.

Do you think they could get an ICP and do this?

How about adding a Traditional Chinese interface? Those aren't blocked. Shurely someone from this forum could help them with that.

[touchring]

Do you think they could get an ICP and do this?

How about adding a Traditional Chinese interface? Those aren't blocked. Shurely someone from this forum could help them with that.


They can setup a company in China, or get a company to apply a website permit. But i think there are more issues than just the permit - they cannot show illegal content - porn, gambling, anti-social, counter-revolutionary, a very long list, and stuff which Google ads will show.

Sal, what's the average PPC for Dopa versus SC? Do you have a screen capture of what a Dopa parking page looks like?

[Rubber Duck]

I have just reparked my Chinese at Dopa.

Biggest problem I had was segregating out my Chinese from my Japanese into separate accounts so I can bulk update the name servers for each. I have now done this as my Excel database separates them by language, and I have been through all my dozen or so accounts with Far East domains and Bulk Pushed all my Japanese into two separate accounts. I had effectively already sorted out the Kana, as that can be done visually.

Yes my $ were not transferred to Dopa, but frankly that is the least of my worries, as Simplified have earnt me very little whilst being parked at ND.

[blastfromthepast]

they cannot show illegal content - porn, gambling, anti-social, counter-revolutionary, a very long list, and stuff which Google ads will show?

Part of the problem is that China has not officially specified what is legal and what is not and it looks like the entire process is arbitrary.

How about Traditional Chinese parking at ND?

[touchring]

Part of the problem is that China has not officially specified what is legal and what is not and it looks like the entire process is arbitrary.

How about Traditional Chinese parking at ND?


Yes, they do specify, sites that have failed to apply permits and replaced with official notice giving 20 reasons why a site can be banned, and a "Customer Hotline" to resolve the ban is provided. :p

[Rubber Duck]

Part of the problem is that China has not officially specified what is legal and what is not and it looks like the entire process is arbitrary.

How about Traditional Chinese parking at ND?

Doesn't seem to be much traffic on those. Again the problem is deciding what is Traditional and what is not. Much that is Traditional is also either Simplified or Japanese.

Yes, they do specify, sites that have failed to apply permits and replaced with official notice giving 20 reasons why a site can be banned, and a "Customer Hotline" to resolve the ban is provided. :p

I think much of the problem is that many Western Organisations just don't accept that the onus is on them to get their site approved. Google seems to have managed it!

[blastfromthepast]

Yes, they do specify, sites that have failed to apply permits and replaced with official notice giving 20 reasons why a site can be banned, and a "Customer Hotline" to resolve the ban is provided. :p

Good. I need to know about this since I own ICP证.com. Can a private company resell or lease ICP numbers? Are any lucky ICP numbers available for a special price?

Doesn't seem to be much traffic on those. Again the problem is deciding what is Traditional and what is not. Much that is Traditional is also either Simplified or Japanese.

This is where NameDrive's country by country approach to displaying relevant ads will come in handy.

[Rubber Duck]

This is where NameDrive's country by country approach to displaying relevant ads will come in handy.

Geotargeting is not specific to ND. The technology is resident at Google.

[touchring]

Good. I need to know about this since I own ICP证.com. Can a private company resell or lease ICP numbers? Are any lucky ICP numbers available for a special price?



This is where NameDrive's country by country approach to displaying relevant ads will come in handy.


I wasn't the one that applied for the icp license for my china website, but i believe it is like any other license - the website owner must apply for it and it cannot be transferred.

Here's the FAQ for the licensing - http://www.miibeian.gov.cn/share/FAQs.htm. You might want to use Google to translate and find the info you need.

[idn1234]

I think you only need an ICP licence if your
site server is based in China - you might want
to recheck that though.