Half of Americans think Facebook is a passing fad

[555]

Forty-six percent of those polled say the social networking giant is likely to "fade away as new things come along," while 43 percent predict it will be "successful over the long term."
And with its long-awaited IPO drawing near, half of Americans also say Facebook's asking price is too high.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/half-americans-think-facebook-passing-fad-071906795.html

[jose]

It is not. Buy FB after the first week.

[Rubber Duck]

Personally, I just want to be in cottage half way up a mountain were I almost never see anyone. Why the fuck would I need to be on Facebook!

[jose]

Personally, I just want to be in cottage half way up a mountain were I almost never see anyone.

Perfect place to use Facebook! :)

[Rubber Duck]

Perfect place to use Facebook! :)

You sad little man.

[123]

i never figured out what facebook is good for.

Several years and i am still not understanding it. :confused:

Search engines like google changed the internet and added something to it. They are useful.

What has facebook really done?

Now i read that on average people spend most of their online time on FB.

There is so much interesting and useful content online and then people spend most of their online time on a site with no real content. :eek:

[Ben]

Facebook is a passing fad, it will go the same way as MySpace and Friendster. Very risky investment IMO, need to jump out just as the stocks peek or you're going to be in for a bad time, because once they go down they're not going back up again.

[123]

it is not a real investment it more like a gamble because:

a) there is a lot of hype it is overvalued
b) no one knows in which directions things will go and no one can predict it

if one wants to gamble there are better stocks

[jose]

Let's save this thread for later and visit it in 5 years to check:

1. How much has FB grown
2. How much has the stock price valuated

Only real serious threat is the world collapse, and its not that far fetched.

[bwhhisc]

i never figured out what facebook is good for.

Several years and i am still not understanding it. :confused:

Search engines like google changed the internet and added something to it. They are useful.

What has facebook really done?

Now i read that on average people spend most of their online time on FB.

There is so much interesting and useful content online and then people spend most of their online time on a site with no real content. :eek:

I think many people use it to hook up with old friends and classmates. Many others use it successfully for business to show case their work and projects. I have a associate who has built quite a successful wedding floral business with virtually 100% of her referals and leads coming from facebook. Another uses it to promote their events and entertainment at their pub for customers and provide certain specials etc.

[jose]

Pinterest or Instagram would have never existed without Facebook.

[chrisofmel]

It is not. Buy FB after the first week.

i think you will be able to find lower entry point after a quarter or two. i think they have some short term challenge's. their high mobile growth rate which is harder to monetize because of reduced ad space. Facebook insiders lock-up lasts only 90 days. also Mark Zuckerberg will still have 57 percent voting rights in the company. not sure he will mesh well with the wallstreet guys short term. facebook Average CPM has increased by 15% from Q4 2011 to Q1 2012 so it looks to me they are kind of pumping the numbers prior to the ipo. and i just feel with all the hype they are bound to miss the forecast. also this below



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-q1-2012-earnings-ad-revenue-2012-4#cpm-rates-are-up-41-1#ixzz1uzmBWoME


Stocks sag on report GM is pulling Facebook ads
The Dow falls 63 after The Wall Street Journal says the automaker believes its Facebook ads don't add to sales. Crude oil falls under $94, undercutting gains for JPMorgan Chase. Growing Greek uncertainty weighs on investors.

http://money.msn.com/market-news/post.aspx?post=8a8276b6-6f9d-439f-88c8-d7e662a73ca1

but i think long term its a stock to own.

[bumblebee man]

Only real serious threat is the world collapse


I can see a lot of people burning more than their fingers here.

What most people fail to recognize is that much of the potential future growth is part of the current valuation already. That's why Facebook is valuated twice as much as Daimler while generating 2% of Daimler's revenue.

So the question isn't whether FB will grow. The question is whether they'll grow faster than everyone predicts.

Where is that growth supposed to come from? More users? That path will come to an end soon. Pretty much everyone who wants a facebook account has got one already. So it's more about monetizing the current user base. No doubt, having 1 billion people spending hours on you website sharing all their personal data is quite an asset. But monetizing their user base without pissing them off too much is quite a challenge as well.

They probably won't suddenly disappear. But they'll have a hard time meeting or even beating the current expectations. I'm not even sure stock picking is a strategy that should be recommended to average investors. But there's one thing I'm sure about: If everyone thinks this is a safe bet and a great investment it's usually a very speculative bet and a poor investment. If there's anything to learn from successful investors like Warren Buffet it's avoiding the hype and doing the opposite.

[Rubber Duck]

Pretty much everyone who wants a facebook account has got one already.

More to the point, a lot of people who don't want a Facebook account already have one.

I registered to put up the Wedding Photos. Before I figured it out, I lost interest.

Do I still have an account. Almost certainly.

[jose]

Pretty much everyone who wants a facebook account has got one already.

So why do you invest on IDNs? I hear everyday in here people talking about the grow of Internet penetration on emerging economies.

Brazil added 9 million new Facebook users in the last 3 months.

[bumblebee man]

So why do you invest on IDNs? I hear everyday in here people talking about the grow of Internet penetration on emerging economies.

Brazil added 9 million new Facebook users in the last 3 months.

Growing internet penetration in emerging markets is only one of many reasons for investing in IDNs.

I'm just saying that Facebook user growth can't go on like this forever. Actually it has slowed down already... not only in the US:

But even in Asia, where a small share of the population of countries such as India, South Korea and Japan are Facebook users, the social network’s fourth-quarter growth was its weakest in six quarters.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2012/02/13/facebook-faces-slower-user-growth.html

In China they are blocked anyway. In other countries there might be strong local competitors or simply less interest. Whatever the reasons may be it's already happening.

[alpha]

I'm proud to say I don't have a facebook or twitter account. I really don't see how people have the time to be honest, and besides its just for photo exchanging or stalking right - not sure I'm missing out on much.

[chrisofmel]

Graffiti Artist Who Took Shares Instead Of Cash For Painting Facebook’s First HQ 7 Years Ago To Make $200M In IPO



http://elitedaily.com/elite/2012/graffiti-artist-shares-cash-painting-facebooks-hq-7-years-200m-ipo/

[Rubber Duck]

I'm proud to say I don't have a facebook or twitter account. I really don't see how people have the time to be honest, and besides its just for photo exchanging or stalking right - not sure I'm missing out on much.

Never understood why it abreviated to Tweet rather than TWIT.

[jose]

Internet is for porn?

Just like the Internet, Facebook is a tool to connect people, you can use it for whatever you want.

What amazes me is that the members in this forum, being so open minded on the IDN thing, which many still "don't get" are so close minded when it comes to Facebook.

Curious on your opinion on Instagram. How about Pinterest?
And do you use iOS or Android apps, besides the browser and email?

Why on earth do you think tech innovation stopped when you were 30 and everything that came after that is bullshit?

I know people on the 70's who don't use mobile phones. Ridiculous, right?
I know people on the 60's who don't use email. Ridiculous, right?
I know people on the 50's who don't use MSN. Ridiculous, right?
I know people on the 40's who don't use Facebook. Ridiculous, right?

They are all tools for us to communicate with each other. Get over it.

[Rubber Duck]

Facebook is just one Website. It might be a very popular one right now but that does not make Facebook a disruptive technology or give them barriers to entry.

In theory changing social media sites is no more difficult than changing Pubs.

Internet is for porn?

Just like the Internet, Facebook is a tool to connect people, you can use it for whatever you want.

What amazes me is that the members in this forum, being so open minded on the IDN thing, which many still "don't get" are so close minded when it comes to Facebook.

Curious on your opinion on Instagram. How about Pinterest?
And do you use iOS or Android apps, besides the browser and email?

Why on earth do you think tech innovation stopped when you were 30 and everything that came after that is bullshit?

I know people on the 70's who don't use mobile phones. Ridiculous, right?
I know people on the 60's who don't use email. Ridiculous, right?
I know people on the 50's who don't use MSN. Ridiculous, right?
I know people on the 40's who don't use Facebook. Ridiculous, right?

They are all tools for us to communicate with each other. Get over it.

[blackpower]

Of course facebooks are only speculation tools as most of the Stock exchange is; . Designed by Financial Mafia to impoverish people and transfer to the Banks the Real Property, Land and other Tangibles. It will fade away and take the money of Fools.
Didn't you know? If you knew and you are on facebook, you support this.
Things will have to be rolled back in US (other countries I don't care) to allow for bigger government control.
I think in general, this is what World is heading towards, more Totalitarian States which will be the only ones able to deal with 100 years of Liberal Destruction and face new security challenges.
Hopefully, this will not affect idn domains :)

[alpha]

What amazes me is that the members in this forum, being so open minded on the IDN thing, which many still "don't get" are so close minded when it comes to Facebook.

Get it? I get it all right

I get it how people collect friends and likes, most of which are from people they don't know.

I get how boring people, and lets be honest we don't all lead celebrity lifestyles, but somehow think that posting a constant stream of updates on bowel movements or whatever else would be somehow interesting to others. Chances are your life is dull, get over it

I get it that some people feel the need to "follow" their favourite breakfast cereal, wtf

I get it that most people will update their status update first, then tell their friends they are now i.e. single - people are obsessed, its pathetic

I get it how people are so willing to write off their right to privacy. In the most extreme case I read the other day that some candidates are being asked for their fb login so their prospective employers can have a snoop around.

and for the record I own a BB, a galaxy android stuffed with apps, and surround myself with the latest gadgets and toys - but I still don't feel the need to become the 53rd follower of adult diapers on twitter http://twitter.com/#!/yourdiaper

[123]

In the most extreme case I read the other day that some candidates are being asked for their fb login so their prospective employers can have a snoop around.

Strangely in the real world this would never be allowed. Imagine someone ask you for your keys to snoop around in your house or property. Or someone wants to read your inbox or diary before hiring you.

On FB it is all OK.

[jose]

In the most extreme case I read the other day that some candidates are being asked for their fb login so their prospective employers can have a snoop around.

And you *still* think Facebook is just another social media site?

Facebook is the new glue connecting everything online. You can't have a popular service, site, personality without the FB connection.

I am currently developing on my own (since its almost impossible to find good FB coders now-a-days) a collaborative news site using an IDN domain and open graph. What this means is that every time someone watches a video or reads an article on my site all their friends will know about it. How disruptive is that?

[bumblebee man]

What amazes me is that the members in this forum, being so open minded on the IDN thing, which many still "don't get" are so close minded when it comes to Facebook.


A while ago it was you who posted this picture:

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/demotivational-posters-facebook-you.jpg

Spot on imo. If not wanting to share all my personal stuff with a dubious company or even everyone means being narrow-minded I don't give a fuck.

You guys playing farmville, posting drunk pics and sharing the colour of your stool are so fuckin open-minded.

[alpha]

And you *still* think Facebook is just another social media site?

I don't think it's a just anything


..What this means is that every time someone watches a video or reads an article on my site all their friends will know about it. How disruptive is that?

I know I'm going to regret asking this, but what the heck here goes. Why would someone be so interested in what someone I don't know has just read on a site that I don't care about? And why as that person who has just read that, do I think that other people who don't really know me give a fuck about what I've just read?

Jose... today I watched 6 videos and read a dozen articles. I haven't told anyone about this yet, and you know what I don't think I will, because unless they are sad and have nothing better to do in their lives, they won't give a shit. and if they do give a shit, then I wouldn't want losers like that knowing my every inconsequential move anyway.

[alpha]

You guys playing farmville, posting drunk pics and sharing the colour of your stool are so fuckin open-minded.

if we both used Google plus I'd click the +1 button for that

[jose]

@bumblebeeman If playing farmville, posting drunk pics and sharing the colour of your stool is your best idea of what to do on Facebook I am fine with that. We live in free countries... yet. Maybe this 2011 photo, from Egypt protesters can help you get more productive:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/244665/THANK-YOU-FACEBOOK-TWEET.jpg

@alpha You don't want anyone to know anything you do online, for whatever reason, that's fine, you can configure FB to do exactly that. No one will see anything on you, you will only share the videos with your wife. You will do have a problem understandig your kids behaviour...

I am sorry to bring the bad news, but Facebook is *not* about you guys.

[jose]

BTW, the photo reads: THANK YOU FACEBOOK!

[alpha]

BTW, the photo reads: THANK YOU FACEBOOK!

Are you sure it doesn't read "come check out the color of our stools on FACEBOOK!"

[squirrel]

:lol:Are you sure it doesn't read "come check out the color of our stools on FACEBOOK!"

[DktoInc]

And you *still* think Facebook is just another social media site?

Facebook is the new glue connecting everything online. You can't have a popular service, site, personality without the FB connection.

I am currently developing on my own (since its almost impossible to find good FB coders now-a-days) a collaborative news site using an IDN domain and open graph. What this means is that every time someone watches a video or reads an article on my site all their friends will know about it. How disruptive is that?

If u will do one of those nasty pron site Mulligan visits, that would be fun

[Fka200]

BTW, the photo reads: THANK YOU FACEBOOK!

THANK YOU YOUTH OF EGYPT
FACEBOOK
<-- don't understand this line -->

[Avtal]

In theory changing social media sites is no more difficult than changing Pubs.

Actually, that's a pretty good analogy. If you go to the pub to drink by yourself, you can change pubs easily. If you go to the pub to meet up with friends, then you need to convince your friends to change too.

Avtal

P.S. I don't use Facebook (they want my real name, fat chance!), but I know plenty of people who do. They don't use it to follow cereal brands or famous strangers, or to play games; they use it to keep track of friends and relatives. And for that, it seems to do a pretty good job.

P.P.S. Read about Facebook's role in Armenian politics here (http://www.eurasianet.org/node/65260).
http://www.eurasianet.org/sites/eurasianet.org/files/imagecache/story/041212a_0.jpg

[sarcle]

If Facebook the company were a Facebook user, it would have a lot of virtual friends but not many real ones, the poll suggested.

Users' distrust limits the value of the site's ads. Advertisers want to target their messages to the people most likely to respond to them. And the more Facebook knows about us, the better it will be at tailoring those ads to our interests.

Yet in the poll of U.S. adults published Tuesday, only 13 percent said they trust Facebook "completely" or "a lot" when it comes to keeping their personal information private. A majority, or 59 percent, said they trust Facebook "only a little," or "not at all."

But the company doesn't seem to be connecting very well. In the poll, 83 percent of respondents said they "hardly ever" or "never" click on the ads Facebook serves up.

If Facebook wants to help stores selling something other than virtual bling, it has to overcome skepticism among users first: The poll found that a majority of respondents, or 54 percent, would feel "not too safe" or "not safe at all" buying goods such as clothes or services such as travel from the site. Only 8 percent said they would feel "extremely safe" or "very safe."



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3yRH0es6IL351rMpi5WY2hilfIg?docId=53a300b8b88b49d89995737943cea38c

[chrisofmel]

how about a contest? we all kick in money in a pool and you guess the closing price of facebook stock opening day whoever is closest win's the pool.

[Clotho]

It is interesting that so many of us share the same opinion on this subject. I don't have a Facebook account either and I will go out of my way to avoid it. Granted, I may miss some opportunities because of my point of view. I am ok with this.

Since we are of similar mind on this matter I thought you might appreciate this:

Kim Kardashian's IMDB bio is amazing. (http://www.uproxx.com/webculture/2012/05/kim-kardashians-imdb-bio-is-amazing/)

[Wot]

It is interesting that so many of us share the same opinion on this subject. I don't have a Facebook account either and I will go out of my way to avoid it. Granted, I may miss some opportunities because of my point of view. I am ok with this.

Since we are of similar mind on this matter I thought you might appreciate this:

Kim Kardashian's IMDB bio is amazing. (http://www.uproxx.com/webculture/2012/05/kim-kardashians-imdb-bio-is-amazing/)

Maybe it's the nature of the beast. I also do not have a Facebook account so perhaps it's peculiar to the majority of IDN investors? :)

[555]

FACEBOOK IS "GETTING WORSE, NOT BETTER" -- It's Not Just GM That Thinks Facebook Ads Don't Work


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-advertiser-feedback-2012-5?utm_source=readme&utm_medium=rightrail&utm_term=&utm_content=1&utm_campaign=recirc#ixzz1v7Dw306r

[555]

Pizza Delicious Bought An Ad On Facebook. How'd It Do?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/05/16/152736597/pizza-delicious-bought-an-ad-on-facebook-howd-they-do

[alpha]

Pizza Delicious Bought An Ad On Facebook. How'd It Do?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/05/16/152736597/pizza-delicious-bought-an-ad-on-facebook-howd-they-do

700,000 ad impressions and no increase in sales.

But all is not lost, they did manage to add 20x the usual number of "friends" to his account http://intertagmedia.com/webimages/loser.gif

[jose]

When you show an add on Google you're showing it to people who are on the mood to buy it.

When you show an add in Facebook it's like that annoying friend who tries to sell something when you're hanging out with friends.

No wonder old companies like Gm don't get it. Old spice and others know how to do it. You can't sell, you have to make it interesting for people and it will stick, a lot more.
The classic ads, even on tv, are dying.

[555]

If you missed this commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzoFXZ5pT1w&feature=related

[555]

Research: 44% of Facebook users will ‘never’ click sponsored ads

http://venturebeat.com/2012/05/17/44-perecent-facebook-never-click-display-ads/

[mulligan]

Personally I'm up for it.

Ill collect the bets by paypal (If you guys are OK with that) and winner takes all

$100 from me

However, I'll likely get in on day 1 and be out by day two..

how about a contest? we all kick in money in a pool and you guess the closing price of facebook stock opening day whoever is closest win's the pool.

[idn]

Personally I'm up for it.

Ill collect the bets by paypal (If you guys are OK with that) and winner takes all

$100 from me

However, I'll likely get in on day 1 and be out by day two..

Same here. That's 3

[chrisofmel]

Personally I'm up for it.

Ill collect the bets by paypal (If you guys are OK with that) and winner takes all

$100 from me

However, I'll likely get in on day 1 and be out by day two..

I am in. maybe start a different thread about contest entry price paypal info. cutoff time and all. because some might not be reading here. yes send me paypal info. and yes you can be the collector of fee's. $100 from me

[alpha]

I'm in. But need to remind everyone that every time Mulligan runs a book a like this, he wins.

[chrisofmel]

I'm in. But need to remind everyone that every time Mulligan runs a book a like this, he wins.

ok good thats 4 , Any others? got to be a few more willing to take a shot at this.

[sarcle]

Do I still have an account. Almost certainly.

It never goes away. I opened one up years ago before I realized it was a bad idea and it's still there. I've tried closing it, shutting it down, asking for it to get deleted permanently. I can't log-in because that will just reactivate my account automatically.

I still get almost daily emails that "people are waiting to talk to me."

Facebook is the herpes of the Internet. You think it's gone and it pops back up again.

[jose]

http://allfacebook.com/joffe-asia_b89247

[jose]

Game over people, I win: http://www.facebookipodayclosingprice.com

[Rubber Duck]

Whoever has underwritten that launch price is going to lose their arse.

Couldn't happen to nicer people.

I ain't in but I wouldn't be surprise to see losses of up to 40%.

[sbe18]

the most interesting day is going to be Zuck's first quarterly required conference call.

40% traffic on mobile but no ads there.
4 billion in ad revenue, but a 108 billion valuation.

the new york times is worth 1 billion...
FB is worth more than HP ? more than Dell ?

I believe it is an important media company now that TV ads have ..." check our Facebook page at facebook.com/company" .

But not a tagline for their own corporate websites ?

Friendster, myspace, and AOL prove that the walled gardens can't cruise at their peak revenues .

Google + is a basic ghosttown to prove that you can't even drag people on Gmail to be social with their own email lists.

[alpha]

the most interesting day is going to be Zuck's first quarterly required conference call.

sure is, that bubble will be fun to watch.

[Rubber Duck]

The clue is that the smart institutional money is bailing.

It seems Zucker isn't selling. Probably didn't even get the chance.

[Rubber Duck]

I like this comment on associated press:

"It's a big windfall for a company that began eight years ago with no way to make money."

Sound familiar?

[mulligan]

We'll call it a gentleman's agreement.

My guess: $155

ok good thats 4 , Any others? got to be a few more willing to take a shot at this.

[Ben]

We'll call it a gentleman's agreement.

My guess: $155

Is this prediction for closing price of day 1?

[idn]

We'll call it a gentleman's agreement.

My guess: $155

Wow, I believe that is about a 400 P/E ratio. My guess is 57.28.

[Ben]

Can I get some of this action? I guess $52. Where should I ship the $100 to?

[idn]

Can I get some of this action? I guess $52. Where should I ship the $100 to?

At this point I don't think there is any betting. At least I'm not in at $100 now. My guess is public and money was not collected.

[Ben]

At this point I don't think there is any betting. At least I'm not in at $100 now. My guess is public and money was not collected.

Oh, ok.

[chrisofmel]

At this point I don't think there is any betting. At least I'm not in at $100 now. My guess is public and money was not collected.

yes i think your right so no bet at this point everyone just put up there prediction for bragging rights. my guess $54.25

[alpha]

bragging rights

$44

[IdnHost]

41.50

[chrisofmel]

looks like this will close at the ipo price or a min. gain

[jose]

38.01 now

[jose]

GOOG started at $100, went up, then down, and when it reached $100 again it was the exact best moment to enter the stock.

FB started at $38, went up, then down, and has recently hit $38 again...

[Rubber Duck]

Clear the decks and bring on Web 3.0, whatever that is.

[Rubber Duck]

GOOG started at $100, went up, then down, and when it reached $100 again it was the exact best moment to enter the stock.

FB started at $38, went up, then down, and has recently hit $38 again...

GOOG was making a ton of cash.

[jose]

GOOG was making a ton of cash.

Not at the time.

[Rubber Duck]

Not at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Google

Google's initial public offering took place on August 25, 2004. A total of 19,605,052 shares were offered at a price of $85 per share.[29] Of that, 14,142,135 (another mathematical reference as √2 ≈ 1.4142135) were floated by Google and 5,462,917 by selling stockholders. The sale raised US$1.67 billion, and gave Google a market capitalization of more than $23 billion.

At its peak in early 2004, Google handled upwards of 84.7% of all search requests on the World Wide Web through its website and through its partnerships with other Internet clients like Yahoo!, AOL, and CNN.

The Google search engine attracted a loyal following among the growing number of Internet users, who liked its simple design.[19] In 2000, Google began selling advertisements associated with search keywords.[1] The ads were text-based to maintain an uncluttered page design and to maximize page loading speed.[1] Keywords were sold based on a combination of price bid and click-throughs, with bidding starting at $.05 per click.[1] This model of selling keyword advertising was pioneered by Goto.com (later renamed Overture Services, before being acquired by Yahoo! and rebranded as Yahoo! Search Marketing).

[Rubber Duck]

Kind of seems to me that Google had asked for a lot less after proving a lot more.

[Ben]

Closed at $38.23, looks like IdnHost was closest.

[IdnHost]

Closed at $38.23, looks like IdnHost was closest.

Could of been a nice pot ;)

[Rubber Duck]

Game was rigged!


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/9276699/Facebook-IPO-fight-back-begins-share-price-implausible-says-analyst.html

Company filings after the market closed on Friday night however revealed the extent to which the banks who led Facebook’s initial public offering - in which $16bn of shares were sold to new investors - were forced to move in to the market and buy shares in order to keep the price above the $38 level. Morgan Stanley, Facebook’s lead financial adviser, ended the day with 162m shares, worth $6.16bn. Other banks including JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs also bought shares, ending the day with $3.2bn and $2.4bn holdings respectively.

[blackpower]

Game was rigged!


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/9276699/Facebook-IPO-fight-back-begins-share-price-implausible-says-analyst.html

And you didn't know it was?
The Morgan/Goldman's bunch are themselves big Ponzi schemes; did you expect anything different?

[squirrel]

Is it common for underwriters to be left with more than half the shares after opening day ?

[Rubber Duck]

Is it common for underwriters to be left with more than half the shares after opening day ?

Don't think this was strictly part of their underwriting activities. It seem as though the full subscription was taken up, but that then had to support the price in the open market to stop it collapsing. I am sure we will find out more over the coming days and weeks.

[Rubber Duck]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/facebook-hits-105bn-mark--but-only-after-underwriters-step-in-7766998.html

The underwriters of Facebook's much-anticipated public share offering had to intervene heavily in the market to keep the social network from falling embarrassingly below its float price on the first day's trading yesterday.

The company sold $16bn of shares at $38 apiece and the stock closed last night at just $38.23, meaning that buyers missed out on the typical first-day pop and investors pushed questions about the long-term profitability of the company to the fore.

The closing price puts a $105bn valuation on the online status updates, baby photos and "likes" of Facebook's 900 million users around the world.

Except that value reflected significant buying by a syndicate of underwriters, led by Morgan Stanley, who had pushed the sale price to the top end of the $34 to $38 price range during what was an occasionally frenzied pre-flotation roadshow to investors. Another complication was reports of problems with the trading systems at the Nasdaq stock market, where Facebook has listed its shares. Traders reported delays and confusion over the reporting of their orders for the stock, prompting some to pull back from the market.

Many retail investors also appeared to have heeded warnings that buying on the first day of trading can be dangerous and that it may be best to wait for the stock to settle. Facebook shares were volatile, immediately jumping by 13 per cent to hit $42.99 in the early trading. When, they fell back to $38 on several occasions, underwriter buying activity saved them from going into the red. One of the most eagerly-anticipated days in technology investment history appropriately kicked off with Facebook's chief executive, Mark Zuckerberg, remotely ringing the bell to start trading on New York's Nasdaq. After delivering the toll to applause from his colleagues at Facebook's headquarters in California, Mr Zuckerberg hugged his chief operating officer, Sheryl Sandberg, and handed out high-fives in scenes reminiscent of the dot.com boom of the late 1990s.

Facebook executives had good reason to celebrate the IPO, which has spawned six billionaires and more than 1,000 millionaires at the company, at least on paper. Mr Zuckerberg, 28, who set up Facebook in his Harvard dorm room in 2004, is most quids-in. His stake was worth $19.1bn at the float price. Peter Theil, the PayPal founder who invested $500,000 in the firm in 2004, sold 17 million shares for $640m in the share offering. He retains 28 million shares.

[Rubber Duck]

Ponzi 2.0

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-facebook-trading-20120518,0,6622700.story

NEW YORK – The big pop in Facebook Inc. shares never came.

Buyers did not rush into the market to snap up shares of the social networker. And the big Wall Street banks that brought Facebook public scrambled to prevent the stock from collapsing into declines.

The underwriters averted a potential debacle by scooping up shares of the company during the Nasdaq debut. This propped up the stock, keeping it above the $38 offering price through most of the day.

“When a deal gets priced and breaks price on the first day, that’s definitely a major embarrassment," said trader Andrew Frankel, co-president of Stuart Frankel & Co. "But it didn’t do that here – at least for the time being.”

The practice is pretty standard during IPOs, especially high-profile ones like Facebook. The big banks buy into a wave of selling as a way to prevent their customers from suffering big losses.

The syndicate of underwriters led by Morgan Stanley helped prop up shares after the Nasdaq Stock Market experienced technical problems processing trades. A number of brokerages reportedly said they were having problems trying to trade the stock.

“There are currently industrywide delays in reporting trade executions,” Michael Cianfrocca, a spokesman for brokerage Charles Scwhab, told Bloomberg News. “These issues do not appear to be unique to Schwab.”

The problems could threaten the Nasdaq’s reputation as the premier platform to list big blue-chip technology companies. The exchange won a hard-fought battle against the New York Stock Exchange for a chance to list Facebook.

Spokesmen for the Nasdaq did not return several telephone calls and emails seeking comment.

Many traders, Frankel said, "backed away from trading Facebook because Nasdaq had such system issues.”

The stock bolted at the open to $42.05, but then quickly withered in the first hour of trading. It touched $38 several times, but eked out a small rebound and leveled off at about $40.

Barry Ritholtz, head of Fusion IQ, an investment research firm, added: "It pretty much started straight down to $38, where as normally happens, the underwriters defended it."

[Drewbert]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/facebook-complete-forensic-post-mortem

[jose]

A nice article from a Portuguese guy I know and learn to respect, a lot!:

http://mvalente.eu/2012/05/19/the-upcoming-internet-identity-holocaust/

[Rubber Duck]

Looks to me that a big slice of the cash the Fed printed and lent to banks to get the US economy bump started just got stolen in a heist.

[Rubber Duck]

So what is the latest quote for Fastbuck?

[alpha]

So what is the latest quote for Fastbuck?

I'm sure its down because of a another bug in the NASDAQ software

[jose]

I'm sure its down because of a another bug in the NASDAQ software

You are right:

Nasdaq this morning announced a policy for those who placed orders for the shares on Friday but were not able to get them fulfilled because of technical issues at the opening of trading. This appears to be an update to the announcement made on Friday.

Nasdaq said it has created an “accommodation pool” to compensate individual requests to be made whole. You have to submit your request to Nasdaq in writing by noon today.

[Ben]

Wow, below $34 now, I thought it would drop but didn't expect this fast.

http://www.google.com/finance?q=Fb

[TrafficDomainer]

Went as low as $33:

Range 33.00 - 36.66
52 week 33.00 - 45.00
Open 36.53
Vol / Avg. 133.21M/580.59M
Mkt cap 94.94B
P/E 110.84
Div/yield -
EPS 0.31
Shares 2.74B
Beta -
Inst. own -

[Drewbert]

http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2012/05/21/is-facebook-turning-all-of/

[jose]

Like $FB IPO, $AMZN IPO was "optimally priced" on 5/17/97 The stock broke issue, and stayed below til 7/6. No one remembers.

https://p.twimg.com/AtN6_5FCAAEOanA.png

[Drewbert]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/blast-past-snl-explains-wall-street

[TrafficDomainer]

Let's do another bet for fun (bragging right), what do you think will be the closing price of FB on July 1, 2012?

Let's see whose will be the closest. I'll go first at $25. What's your bet?

[chrisofmel]

i will take another $10 off today's closing price so $24.03 is my guess

[jose]

As I said before, I pretend to jump in one week after the IPO, so my guess would be $38. :)

[Rubber Duck]

i will take another $10 off today's closing price so $24.03 is my guess

Yeah, that kind of ties in with my orginal upto 40% lower, which it probably would have hit on day one apart from the support operation by the banks.

Looks like they trashed a few hundred million for nothing!

[htmlindex]

Let's do another bet for fun (bragging right), what do you think will be the closing price of FB on July 1, 2012?

Let's see whose will be the closest. I'll go first at $25. What's your bet?

I'll put my vote in as $22

[TrafficDomainer]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303610504577417911775222058.html?mod=business_newsreel

Now @ $32.26 (-5.20%)

Is anyone shorting FB?

[chrisofmel]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303610504577417911775222058.html?mod=business_newsreel

Now @ $32.26 (-5.20%)

Is anyone shorting FB?

The Facebook IPO Underwriters won't lend any stock to short sell for 30 days

[TrafficDomainer]

Thanks Chris!

[Drewbert]

http://visual.ly/how-much-zuckerberg-worth?view=true

[jose]

Run for cover, the sky is falling!

The Facebook Fallacy
For all its valuation, the social network is just another ad-supported site. Without an earth-changing idea, it will collapse and take down the Web

http://www.technologyreview.com/web/40437/?p1=A1

[TrafficDomainer]

.

[jose]

http://www.seomoz.org/blog/gms-doing-it-wrong-facebook-marketing-lessons-15202

[sarcle]

Without an earth-changing idea, it will collapse and pass like a fart in the wind.


ftfy

[jose]

I did not said that. The problem *is* not Facebook, but "FB" and the JPMorgan's.

[chrisofmel]

yep looks like they were pumping the numbers before IPO.

http://money.msn.com/technology-investment/article.aspx?post=ee8eda96-4ec9-4e08-9710-a027f3034415

[mdw]

someone remind me why we're supposed to care?

[chrisofmel]

someone remind me why we're supposed to care?

boredom i guess, not much else to read here

[blackpower]

Hotels.com and Cars.com face the same risks so i am not sure this can be a risk that is unique to idn's, also if it's the only risk left it doesn't sound that bad.

Risk of Frivolous Actions? This is ridiculous of course but may happen:o

[Jay]

You guys should start up a new thread for this, because it is of topical interest. Facebook is not.

[alpha]

You guys should start up a new thread for this, because it is of topical interest. Facebook is not.

done. new thread is here (http://www.idnforums.com/forums/31503-current-remaining-risks-to-the-success-of-generic-com-idns.html)

let's keep this thread to the discussion of FBs demise

[Drewbert]

http://www.borowitzreport.com/2010/02/09/introducing-the-hot-new-social-network-phonebook/

[alpha]

http://www.borowitzreport.com/2010/02/09/introducing-the-hot-new-social-network-phonebook/

Another breakout utility of PhoneBook allows the user to arrange face-to-face meetings with his or her friends at restaurants, bars, and other “places,” as Fruber calls them.

“You will be sitting right across from your friend and seeing them in 3-D,” he said. “It’s like Skype, only without the headset.”

:lol:

[Drewbert]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/7253557106/

[jose]

Search engines are going social: http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk/are-googles-aims-going-to-be-derailed-by-social-networking.html

[TrafficDomainer]

My bet was at $25 on July 1, 2012. FB already closed at $28.84 (-9.62%) today. Didn't think it would be this quick.

[chrisofmel]

facebook going into browser business?

http://www.contracostatimes.com/business/ci_20735071/biz-break-facebooks-descent-steepens-acquisition-rumors-heat

[jose]

I am going in today at $28. :)

[sbe18]

puts and calls start this week...
jeeeeeeeeeeesh......
there are already jun 30 calls at 29...what a great vote....
that the stock will be up a dollar in 30 days.....

2000 had its dot com crash....
now we have the social network implosion....
FB joining myspace....
the employee lock up is expiring...so the exodus and the out of the money moral drain should be fun pickings for SF startups.

21 is probably the Morgan Stanley firewall.
the 42 touch on the first day, with 50% loss inside of 30 days is fabulous civil lawsuit and criminal lawsuit territory.

patsies doing the perp walk in July seem to loom if the stock breaks into the teens.

s/

[Drewbert]

I am going in today at $28. :)

Awkward.

[blastfromthepast]

Brasil isn't America when it comes to socializing.

[bwhhisc]

Survey says: 1 in 3 facebook users gettting bored

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/survey-1-3-facebook-users-getting-bored-social-050740241.html

[IdnHost]

Survey says: 1 in 3 facebook users gettting bored

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/survey-1-3-facebook-users-getting-bored-social-050740241.html

its a matter of time. Eventually everyone gets bored of Facebook lol

[bwhhisc]

its a matter of time. Eventually everyone gets bored of Facebook lol

I think their stock dipped again down to 25. Still risky IMO.

Speaking of stocks, one of the big buck stock guru newsletters is touting Tucows (who are appharently branching out from domains to cell phone service of some fashion).

**Seems Tucows has been gaining big ground as of late, just saw this article from domainnamewire...:

Tucows Stock Is on a Tear
Tuesday, March 20th, 2012
Tucows stock up over 40% in past month.

Shares of Tucows (TCX) have been on a tear over the past month. After trading in a fairly narrow band since August, shares have popped 41% since February 16. Shares opened February 16 at $.76 and closed at $.88. The stock had another nice pop on March 13, when shares jumped from $.95 to $1.05. Tucows owns the OpenSRS domain reseller platform, retail domain registrar Hover, a large domain portfolio, and software download and computer information sites.

The company has aggressively used its cash flow from operations to buy back shares. Last Friday it announced it was recommencing its $10 million share buyback program. Tucows isn’t returning all of its cash flow to investors in the form of share buybacks, though. It is also expanding its product lines including entering the U.S. mobile phone market with Ting. As one of only a few publicly traded domain registrars, it will be interesting to watch what happens with Tucows next year as new top level domains are rolled out.

[jose]

Definitely, a passing fad....

http://mashable.com/2012/06/11/apple-facebook/

[Drewbert]

That's why I abandoned my iPhone almost a year ago.

[jose]

That's why I abandoned my iPhone almost a year ago.

How did you manage to put your hands on iO6 one year before release?

[bumblebee man]

Cool, so Facebook starts sharing your (and your friends') data with Apple. One more reason not to use them. Well, no surpprise for Facebook users since they all read the terms and conditions before accepting. :lol:

[Drewbert]

How did you manage to put your hands on iO6 one year before release?



iO5, mate.

[alpha]

FB is like skynet, integrating itself into everything like a virus - we all know how that worked out.

[jose]

iO5, mate.

iO5 didn't had FB integration.

Young people don't mind and even prefer to share everything with everyone, when they grow up, they learn how to share what they want with whom they want. You knew that *is* possible on FB, right? I have one or two friends that you can't even load their FB pages, they close everything to everyone except a couple of close friends. In fact, they share much less than most of you do here on this forum and your whois.

[bumblebee man]

share what they want with whom they want. You knew that *is* possible on FB, right?

Wrong. Whatever you hide you're still sharing with FB. And Facebook can share it with whom they want (as we can see in this Apple example). You know that everything you post on Facebook belongs to Facebook and not to you, right?

[gammascalper]

FB is like skynet, integrating itself into everything like a virus - we all know how that worked out.

We are too late

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2174/2299347188_785eca1557_z.jpg?zz=1

[Drewbert]

iO5 didn't had FB integration.



Twitter.

[jose]

No, it is *not* going away: http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/06/18/how-many-sites-have-facebook-integration-youd-be-surprised/

FB closed above $30 today. Earning currently $2 each share ;)

[welkin]

No, it is *not* going away

I have it on good authority (common sense) that it will, actually. Don't worry tho, nature and narcissists abhor a vacuum, and Facespacester will be riding the heels of its demise

[jose]

I am going in today at $28. :)

Up 15% now @32 :)

[Drewbert]

Ouch.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ZNGA+Basic+Chart&t=1y

[jose]

I hate ZNGA games!

[chrisofmel]

The consensus for Facebook's second-quarter earnings report is that the Menlo Park, Calif., company will report 12 cents a share of profit and $1.15 billion of revenue for the quarter, according to Thomson Reuters.

[chrisofmel]

new Facebook phone

http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/240004396

[welkin]

U.S. growth has basically stopped; the pendulum will swing back, unless they do something genuinely creative. But old dogs new tricks, etc.

[Drewbert]

Ouch.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FB

[jose]

-20%

[jose]

Problem is not Facebook, Zynga or Groupon.

Problem is the insane earnings multiple of 70!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/07/26/with-facebook-earnings-the-second-internet-bubble-is-over/

[jose]

http://www.insidefacebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/image.jpeg

[jose]

Study: Customers Still Prefer Company Websites To Facebook Pages

http://allfacebook.com/get-satisfaction-incyte-group_b95617

[alpha]

I hate ZNGA games!

That suggests you've played them then

Jose with all this social gayme playing and social network fascination, I can't work out whether you've got too much spare time on your hands, or secretly you're a 14 year old girl

[jose]

You don't need to be gay to know you wouldn't like to do what they do.

[chrisofmel]

There will be insiders
selling their shares on Aug. 20, when the first lockout period
is over. There will be a lot of shares that will hit the market
and more in coming months. second lockout ends 90 day after that. the bush tax cuts end this year. capital gains taxes will be higher 2013 if not extended. you will see big insider selling after the second lockout also. mobile is growing quickly and they have no good way to monetize it yet. this stock has some more downside this year Imho.

[clipper]

You don't need to be gay to know you wouldn't like to do what they do.

LOL - POTW!

[clipper]

There will be insiders
selling their shares on Aug. 20, when the first lockout period
is over. There will be a lot of shares that will hit the market
and more in coming months. second lockout ends 90 day after that. the bush tax cuts end this year. capital gains taxes will be higher 2013 if not extended. you will see big insider selling after the second lockout also. mobile is growing quickly and they have no good way to monetize it yet. this stock has some more downside this year Imho.

Yikes - POTW #2!

Can we get a post of the week #3 on an easy, low-cost-basis way to short the social network?

[blastfromthepast]

That suggests you've played them then

I couldn't figure out what he was talking about. Thanks for explaining.

[Clotho]

With Facebook Earnings, The Second Internet Bubble Is Over. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/07/26/with-facebook-earnings-the-second-internet-bubble-is-over/)

How Zynga, Groupon, Pandora and Facebook Have Cost Investors $39 Billion — And Counting (http://www.cnbc.com/id/48340363)

[Rubber Duck]

With Facebook Earnings, The Second Internet Bubble Is Over. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2012/07/26/with-facebook-earnings-the-second-internet-bubble-is-over/)

How Zynga, Groupon, Pandora and Facebook Have Cost Investors $39 Billion — And Counting (http://www.cnbc.com/id/48340363)

Just wait until Apple goes tits up!

[Drewbert]

or secretly you're a 14 year old girl

In your dreams.

[Drewbert]

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FB

$21.61 would be a new low?

[welkin]

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FB

$21.61 would be a new low?

Stories like this don't help:

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-facebook-ads-80-percent-bots-20120730,0,1602559.story

[chrisofmel]

Stories like this don't help:

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-facebook-ads-80-percent-bots-20120730,0,1602559.story

here is another

http://www.searchenginejournal.com/facebook-ads-what-are-you-really-paying-for/46194/

[jose]

http://mashable.com/2012/07/31/enterpreneur-8000-one-day-facebook-ads/

[Rubber Duck]

Jose,

This guy was not attempting to run a viable business on facebook. He was running a clearance sale.

I am sure if you were to put you entire portofolio up on Facebook for 3 Bucks a throw then some of the Forum members might be encouraged to find out what the F it is all about!

[bwhhisc]

http://mashable.com/2012/07/31/enterpreneur-8000-one-day-facebook-ads/

With this skill he shouldn't need his day job any more.

[chrisofmel]

[QUOTE=jose;201983]http://mashable.com/2012/07/31/enterpreneur-8000-one-day-facebook-ads/[/QUOTE

yep vinyl records are hot and back to being cool again. right product at the right price will always sell. but i have to agree with his small budget facebook worked.


http://www.tinymixtapes.com/news/sales-vinyl-records-increase-sixth-straight-year-popularity-lensless-glasses-possibly-related

[chrisofmel]

I hate ZNGA games!

Facebook Zynga are tied at the hip
Both set new all time lows today

Facebook first lockup expires 271 million shares will become available for trading on Aug. 16

Zynga's last lockup expires Aug. 16, with the release of another 150 million shares.

dog days of August ahead

looks like more downside for both

[bwhhisc]

Facebook Zynga are tied at the hip
Both set new all time lows today

Facebook first lockup expires 271 million shares will become available for trading on Aug. 16

Zynga's last lockup expires Aug. 16, with the release of another 150 million shares.

dog days of August ahead

looks like more downside for both

gonna be ugly...got to be lots of subtle and not so subtle pressure for insiders NOT to unload.

[jose]

Sell on (bad) rumors, buy on (bad) news.

[chrisofmel]

Sell on (bad) rumors, buy on (bad) news.

lol, at what point do you try to catch a falling knife? i think you will see $15 before you see $25

[Man]

To me it's just a domain name...

[chrisofmel]

facebook gets into gambling

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20120807&id=15424162

[Drewbert]

Cue James Brown...

Desperation. D-e-s-p-e-r-a-t-i-o-n.

[bwhhisc]

not unexpected...stock tanks a bit as the lock on first in investors and shareholders is lifted.

final close: $19.87 -1.33‎ (-6.27%‎)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/facebook-hits-low-ipo-lock-143200785.html

[jose]

not unexpected...stock tanks a bit as the lock on first in investors and shareholders is lifted.

final close: $19.87 -1.33‎ (-6.27%‎)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/facebook-hits-low-ipo-lock-143200785.html

$25 today. :)

My grandfather, a small business owner born a year before the Great Depression, refused to get a credit card for most of his life. Like others in his generation, he remembered when banks started to introduce credit cards in the 1950s. He never completely trusted the financial institutions behind them and was always paranoid that someone might be able to use the card to get ahold of some of his personal information. Plus, he preferred to pay for things with the money he had rather than money he didn’t. He used checks to pay doctors and repairmen, and cash to pay for everything else.

http://mashable.com/2012/11/26/facebook-is-like-a-credit-card/

[TrafficDomainer]

$25 today. :)

My grandfather, a small business owner born a year before the Great Depression, refused to get a credit card for most of his life. Like others in his generation, he remembered when banks started to introduce credit cards in the 1950s. He never completely trusted the financial institutions behind them and was always paranoid that someone might be able to use the card to get ahold of some of his personal information. Plus, he preferred to pay for things with the money he had rather than money he didn’t. He used checks to pay doctors and repairmen, and cash to pay for everything else.

http://mashable.com/2012/11/26/facebook-is-like-a-credit-card/

FB went down to $17.55 before it reached around $25 today. So did you buy low and sell high and made some money this round?

[bwhhisc]

$25 today. :)

So are you recommending this as a "buy"?

[TrafficDomainer]

So are you recommending this as a "buy"?

Timing the market is extremely difficult, if Jose did buy when the stock hit $17.55, he would have made a return of about 40% if he sold the stock today. Interesting to see if Jose got successful with this round. Yeah, would be interesting to hear what your next prediction is Jose. :)

[jose]

FB went down to $17.55 before it reached around $25 today. So did you buy low and sell high and made some money this round?

No, I did not. But I hold on and didn't panic sell.

Yes, I would definitely buy some, if I had the money available.

The biggest announcement ever is around the corner: an Adsense competitor and one could easily enjoy the ride and sell on news as usually.

[JamesD]

Good article on flaws in FB;

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2012-11/01/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-stock-market-ipo

[jose]

Good article on flaws in FB;

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2012-11/01/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-stock-market-ipo

Yes, thank God, for all of us small internet entrepreneurs, the IPO was a flop.
That forced them to finally go the Google cash caw way: adsense!

[jose]

Timing the market is extremely difficult, if Jose did buy when the stock hit $17.55, he would have made a return of about 40% if he sold the stock today. Interesting to see if Jose got successful with this round. Yeah, would be interesting to hear what your next prediction is Jose. :)

Were it goes: from $26 to $29 in 10 days. :rolleyes:

[jose]

lol, at what point do you try to catch a falling knife? i think you will see $15 before you see $25

LOL, you almost called the bottom. It was $17, not $15, and it is now over $25.

[chrisofmel]

LOL, you almost called the bottom. It was $17, not $15, and it is now over $25.

i really like their recent moves to monetize. job apps, facebook gifts, and a way for advertisers to track conversions.

[blastfromthepast]

You couldn't make this stuff up. If you're a metrotwit, see: http://www.metrotwit.com/

[bwhhisc]

No, I did not. But I hold on and didn't panic sell.

Yes, I would definitely buy some, if I had the money available.

The biggest announcement ever is around the corner: an Adsense competitor and one could easily enjoy the ride and sell on news as usually.

Still a volatile stock....someone is going to invent a better mousetrap someday.

You thinking he might start to share the "click" revenue with his members and let them whore off their friends . :lol:

[blastfromthepast]

:lol:

[jose]

Were it goes: from $26 to $29 in 10 days. :rolleyes:

Facebook shares today closed at $30.59. It took a little more than 10 days but we got there.

Now short AAPL ($520 now) and buy later at $451.:lol:

[Drewbert]

It's all fun and games until Monday October 19, 1987 arrives.

The global economy is being propped up by fraud and money printing. You don't want to be caught with only paper investments when the end game hits.

[Rubber Duck]

Yes, we missed the fiscal clif.

Don't make me laugh.

They are are talking about printing $1 Trillion Dollar coins to get around congress.

The impact of this will be to destroy US credit rating.

They will then just have to keep printing them.

In Euro terms all dot com regs will be less than a Euro, Gadaddy or not!:lol:

[jose]

Facebook shares today closed at $30.59. It took a little more than 10 days but we got there.

Now short AAPL ($520 now) and buy later at $451.:lol:

As I predicted, AAPL now at $488. Getting close to my $451 buy target, get ready.... BTW, sell FB now, if you haven't yet. :cool:

[jose]

News are out now: http://mashable.com/2013/01/15/facebook-graph-search-great/

[DktoInc]

made for stalkers. :-D I am sure Interpol and all the others will have a field day as well.

[jose]

As I predicted, AAPL now at $488. Getting close to my $451 buy target, get ready.... BTW, sell FB now, if you haven't yet. :cool:

Exactly like I predicted: Today 450.50 63.51(12.35%) :lol:

[jose]

Domain names won the Super Bowl battle over the Social Media x Domains war:

http://www.domainnews.com/en/facebook-lags-as-domain-names-and-twitter-dominate-super-bowl-2013-ads-by-adrian-kinderis.html

[sarcle]

Domain names won the Super Bowl battle over the Social Media x Domains war:

http://www.domainnews.com/en/facebook-lags-as-domain-names-and-twitter-dominate-super-bowl-2013-ads-by-adrian-kinderis.html

The moment I see t.co or bit.ly links used exclusively in commercials I'll call domains dead. Until then, people want to know where they are going on the internet. I don't see that changing.

I've reviewed apps, social networks, smartphones and I don't see an end to an address that lets people know where they are on the web.

I'm tired of people every year saying, "Well, this is the end of domains." No it isn't. Navigation and destination will always be important as it always has been.

People who think otherwise are sheep. Period.

[jose]

I hope you all understand one thing about my posts: I can't predict the future, but I sure wouldn't mind being one of the first ones to spot the next big trend.

That's why I share with you some of these news, either in favor or against domain names.
I would like you to help me - us - to spot the next trends.

That's how we find IDNs on the first place, wasn't it?

[sarcle]

That's how we find IDNs on the first place, wasn't it?

Actually it was overture. Then google keywords.

You are a chicken little trying to prove you made the right investment in IDN. Hoping for a pat on the back. That's what I see. Anyone else?

I don't recall you helping me at all.

Edit: I see you replying right now in the active users. I don't care what you have to say Jose, you are a tool. Useless. I've seen many .nets taken after I've used your website. I've watched you sell trademarks and then watched you defend yourself selling trademarks (occupy wall street). You are a poison to IDN, you are a parasite. You have a stench I can smell a thousand miles to here. Period.

[jose]

Actually it was overture. Then google keywords.

You are a chicken little trying to prove you made the right investment in IDN. Hoping for a pat on the back. That's what I see. Anyone else?

I don't recall you helping me at all.

As a rule in life, I prefer to be pessimistic, than optimistic.

Being pessimistic is a win-win. Either because one was right and spotted, was expecting and prepared for the worst or because one was wrong, and the worst never came, which is good.

About the pat on the back, sure, who doesn't like one?

Sure I have helped you out, as you have helped me before: that's how a community of people works.

[domainguru]

As I predicted, AAPL now at $488. Getting close to my $451 buy target, get ready.... BTW, sell FB now, if you haven't yet. :cool:

I think giving investment advice is just asking for BIG trouble. Monkeys do as well as investment advisers. Sometimes you are right. Sometimes you are wrong. You feel great when you are right, you will run for the hills when you are wrong. Its just a crap shoot.

If you were such an awesome investor, you wouldn't be on IDNF flipping domains for $20.

I would say "leave investment advice to the professionals" but I don't believe they exist.

[jose]

My stock picking advices never fail! :)

http://mashable.com/2013/07/30/facebook-stock-ipo-price-2/

[Rubber Duck]

My stock picking advices never fail! :)

http://mashable.com/2013/07/30/facebook-stock-ipo-price-2/

Look if Wall Street are talking them up, then they are probably about to Tank, but not until they have offloaded onto a bunch of Suckers. If they say Buy it is because they are selling.

[Avtal]

My stock picking advices never fail! :)

Wall Street loves individual investors who believe that.

For your own fiscal safety: Write down all your predictions at the time you make them (the tendency, unfortunately, is only to write down predictions after they come true). Keep score. Draw your own conclusions.

Myself, I prefer diversified index funds. As Warren Buffet pointed out, diversification is for people who don't know what they are doing. But most of us are not Warren Buffet.

Avtal, sounding a rare note of caution

[jose]

Wall Street loves individual investors who believe that.


I agree.

Write down all your predictions at the time you make them (the tendency, unfortunately, is only to write down predictions after they come true). Keep score. Draw your own conclusions.

That's what I have been doing here on the forum. Publicly.

people who don't know what they are doing.

I only talk about companies that I really,really know.
And always as an investment, never as a day trade.

[TrafficDomainer]

So what's your prediction on where FB's stock price will be at 3 months from now Jose?

[jose]

Facebook Stock Hits New All-Time High.

Apple's share price fell on the new iPhone.

In one year? AAPL $400, FB $60

[jose]

BTW, Rick Schwartz created a Facebook page! The last man on Earth I would expect to do that. Need to say more?

[Rubber Duck]

Facebook has a share structure that is not even legal in many countries. It would certainly stop me buying any.

The only person that has a say is Zuckermann. As an investor you have no rights as your shares have no vote.

I object to that in principal. I would NEVER EVER invest. Period.

[jose]

Forget to say, as before, Apple is worthless without Steve Jobs.

[Rubber Duck]

Forget to say, as before, Apple is worthless without Steve Jobs.

Even Jobs could fully fit could not have sustained their over-hyped share price. Hype was his speciality but there are always limits.

[DktoInc]

From personal experience the issue with buying on Facebook is that you don't know what you are buying. Fake is everywhere these days. Ebay once had the same problem in the beginning but they've since banned all the sellers who sold fake stuff. If you go on FB to buy your authentic Armani belt or Versace shirt, chances are it's not what you are going to receive, and since the financial transactions are handled outside of FB, good luck with that, even your credit card wont give you a full refund. It's the wild wild west on FB.

[welkin]

The problem with investing in narcissism is that it is fickle. When CountYourFriends3DX-Treme.com opens its doors, FB will be on its way to becoming the half-dead anachronism we've seen so many times before.

Apple on the other hand has $140 billion in cash, and they have a cultish fanbase. Not saying it's a good investment, but they aren't going anywhere.

I actually got a physical postcard from a friend in China the other day. Poke that, Facebook!

[jose]

From personal experience the issue with buying on Facebook is that you don't know what you are buying. Fake is everywhere these days. Ebay once had the same problem in the beginning but they've since banned all the sellers who sold fake stuff. If you go on FB to buy your authentic Armani belt or Versace shirt, chances are it's not what you are going to receive, and since the financial transactions are handled outside of FB, good luck with that, even your credit card wont give you a full refund. It's the wild wild west on FB.

Think you're the only one who worries about that? Facebook has solved that a long time ago. It's called a "verified" profile or page brand! When you see the logo, you can trust it's the real Mccoy.

https://www.facebook.com/help/196050490547892

[jose]

The problem with investing in narcissism is that it is fickle. When CountYourFriends3DX-Treme.com opens its doors, FB will be on its way to becoming the half-dead anachronism we've seen so many times before.

Apple on the other hand has $140 billion in cash, and they have a cultish fanbase. Not saying it's a good investment, but they aren't going anywhere.

I actually got a physical postcard from a friend in China the other day. Poke that, Facebook!

I know, I know. I am the only one around here on believes in this crazy s* called FB. BTW, shouldn't stock price be already crashed? Ops, seems I am not the only one...

80% of the top apps on the Apple Store use Facebook to register and login. FB ain't going anywhere. Deal with that.

[welkin]

I know, I know. I am the only one around here on believes in this crazy s* called FB. BTW, shouldn't stock price be already crashed? Ops, seems I am not the only one...

80% of the top apps on the Apple Store use Facebook to register and login. FB ain't going anywhere. Deal with that.

"use" (support) and "require" are totally different. I've never been in a situation where I needed a FB login, although once at the dentist I lost a $10 discount 'cause I couldn't like them.

The main problem, IMHO, is that Facebook has achieved critical mass without anchoring it to anything. There is nothing to prevent its fanbase from flittering away to the next thing.

[DktoInc]

Think you're the only one who worries about that? Facebook has solved that a long time ago. It's called a "verified" profile or page brand! When you see the logo, you can trust it's the real Mccoy.

https://www.facebook.com/help/196050490547892


they are selling ad space to anyone and everyone. Verified has nothing to do with it, once you click on the ad and go outside of Facebook.
http://testing14me.freeiz.com/oakley.PNG

[jose]

Alert: Time to sell Facebook!!! Reason? This video:

http://www.nasdaq.com/video/cramer--facebook-is-for-real-517935681#ixzz2f9LvEl00

[Drewbert]

Yep. That fucking loser always gets it wrong.

[jose]

Yep. That fucking loser always gets it wrong.

Cramer buying FB means everyone else already bought and it's time to sell. :lol:

[domainguru]

BTW, Rick Schwartz created a Facebook page! The last man on Earth I would expect to do that. Need to say more?

Thank god you didn't link to it. If you did, I would have had to click through due to idiotic curiosity :-p

[Avtal]

According to Bloomberg: Tencent's market cap approaches Facebook's (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-16/tencent-market-value-tops-100-billion-on-china-internet-growth.html).

Avtal

[DktoInc]

Facebook got blacklisted in Russia.

[jose]

FB $50 :)

[Drewbert]

Yep. That fucking loser always gets it wrong.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-26/how-lose-32-jim-cramer-three-weeks-jump-jc-penney

[jose]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-26/how-lose-32-jim-cramer-three-weeks-jump-jc-penney

LOL

But this time the trend is bigger than him...

This news will boost FB even more: http://allfacebook.com/fantree-2_b125524

An FB's adsense in the making?!

[DktoInc]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-spy-agency-used-americans-030337710.html

[jose]

$64

[jose]

$70 and WhatsApp! Up on this buy? Unique for Wall Street.

[jose]

http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/11/facebook-sets-new-all-time-high-this-morning-topping-72-per-share/

[jose]

Buy FB now! http://recode.net/2014/04/20/here-comes-facebooks-ad-network-mobile-ads-launching-this-month/

[jose]

Hold FB. http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2352137/Search-Engine-Traffic-Declines-While-Engagement-Remains-Steady-Study

[jose]

$75 http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FB

[jose]

Buy FB. Sell next week. Reason?
http://allfacebook.com/atlas-platform-advertising-week-2014_b134736

[jose]

Dear FB, it's too hard to be a publisher!!! Signing to Adsense is wayyyy more easy

http://atlassolutions.com/partners/

[jose]

$80

[jose]

http://mashable.com/2014/12/22/facebook-stock-high-dec-2014/

Buy now, sell March 28.

[jose]

Told you to buy, didn't I?
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/facebook-could-launch-in-china-in-2015-kirkpatrick-I_3vdjRcQ76_KffWXrphNw.html

[jose]

Buy now, sell March 28.

Year after year, this is the most easy call ever. Buy 2 weeks before, sell on F8 (Facebook Developer Conference)

[jose]

a passing fad...

http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/22/facebooks-secret-plan-to-kill-google-and-become-the-second-trillion-dollar-company-in-the-process/

[jose]

a passing fad...

http://instantarticles.fb.com
http://techcrunch.com/2015/05/13/all-you-need-is-like/
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/04/facebook-is-eating-the-internet/391766/