How to monetize French IDN?

[Domainer1]

Hello!

I have an IDN domain with French traffic. The stats are usually between 100 and 140 unique visitors per day. All of them are potential cloth buyers. Now I'm trying to monetize it without creating website. I'm not a French-speaker, so building a French website is not for me. Do you know any French clothing affiliates with their own templates?

P.S. Parking is not for me, because Google doesn't display ads on this domain for some reason! The domain generates 10$ per month with CPA on Bodis.com, but I think such revenue is not enough for this highly commercial IDN!

[Jay]

What's the domain?

[squirrel]

Cloth or clothing ?

[yanni]

I am not that familiar with French affiliate programs, but in most probability, you'll be hard-pressed to find one that will allow a simple redirect, or offer a white label solution (in the clothing sector).

laredoute.fr looks promising (Program through zanox.com) They seem pretty liberal and they may allow redirects if you approach them.

As far as parking goes, France passed a law a few years back where parking pages could not show direct advertisements and most parking platforms served second-click landers.
As a result parking earnings on French domains nose-dived, at least in my personal experience, and have stayed low ever since.

Goof luck with your project.

[Jay]

As a result parking earnings on French domains nose-dived

Ah, that explains a lot.

[squirrel]

What's the domain?

Artem Id be interested to know too because it seems to me that you might be cybersquatting

[Ryu]

As far as parking goes, France passed a law a few years back where parking pages could not show direct advertisements and most parking platforms served second-click landers.


Holy cow! They've got a law specifically for domain parking? That's incredible.

Why would they do that? It's not like parking pages are destroying some unique aspects of French culture/identity.

[yanni]

Holy cow! They've got a law specifically for domain parking? That's incredible.


It may only be effective on traffic coming from France, as i just visited one of my parked french domains and it does show ads, but none from French firms.

[blackpower]

Domainer1,
tell me, why are you here asking questions?
http://domenforum.net/showthread.php?t=147049
You don't like this forum, talk dirt of this forum members and this forum in general and.. you are here asking for help?
Don't you think you are behaving inconsistently?

[Domainer1]

blackpower,
Nothing bad was said about this forum and members. I was talking about how curious it is that one of the sellers don't like translations to be approved by natives. And I think that some sellers are not honest to their buyers with their translations sometimes. That what I was discussing with my Russian colleagues.

Thank's for all replies!

[alpha]

Holy cow! They've got a law specifically for domain parking? That's incredible.

Why would they do that? It's not like parking pages are destroying some unique aspects of French culture/identity.

The french passed another law recently that anyone driving through France must carry a personal alcohol breathalyzer kit. The weirdness never ends

[blackpower]

blackpower,
Nothing bad was said about this forum and members. I was talking about how curious it is that one of the sellers don't like translations to be approved by natives. And I think that some sellers are not honest to their buyers with their translations sometimes. That what I was discussing with my Russian colleagues.

Thank's for all replies!

I don't know anybody on idnforum who's business is to purpousely sell typos to fool people.. and this is what you are essentially imply in your post on russian forum. You were right on subject but your tone was wrong. Anyway,
, just wanted to clear out this as I was put off a bit with that argument and following discussion on russian forum

[Domainer1]

but your tone was wrong.

I agree. May be the tone was a little bit rude. Nevertheless I like both forums. And I tried to help seller and his buyers. Now I know that all members use good translators and don't need translations. But be careful, sometimes translators are wrong.

[Domainer1]

What's the domain?

Good question, but I prefer to keep it in secret:)

[Domainer1]

Cloth or clothing ?

Clothing

it seems to me that you might be cybersquatting

Sometimes it is hard to know, whether domain is trademark or generic. Because many websites use generic domains and idn-analogue of this domain is generic as well. Especially this is hard when you register domains in languages you don't know: Chinese, Hebrew and etc. Squirrel, are you sure that you are not cybersquatter?:) Or you can speak all languages of your domains?

[Domainer1]

I am not that familiar with French affiliate programs, but in most probability, you'll be hard-pressed to find one that will allow a simple redirect, or offer a white label solution (in the clothing sector).

laredoute.fr looks promising (Program through zanox.com) They seem pretty liberal and they may allow redirects if you approach them.

As far as parking goes, France passed a law a few years back where parking pages could not show direct advertisements and most parking platforms served second-click landers.
As a result parking earnings on French domains nose-dived, at least in my personal experience, and have stayed low ever since.

Goof luck with your project.

Yanni, thank you:)

[squirrel]

Clothing



Sometimes it is hard to know, whether domain is trademark or generic. Because many websites use generic domains and idn-analogue of this domain is generic as well. Especially this is hard when you register domains in languages you don't know: Chinese, Hebrew and etc. Squirrel, are you sure that you are not cybersquatter?:) Or you can speak all languages of your domains?

I agree with you
It's just that I did a quick search for your whois record and I saw at least one french IDN that is an obvious TM infrigement.

[Ryu]

The french passed another law recently that anyone driving through France must carry a personal alcohol breathalyzer kit. The weirdness never ends

LOL. Sometimes I can't tell what's said as a joke and what's said for real. This is one of those comments.

Well, I guess you meant it. Am I right?

[IdnHost]

cybersquatting is purposely trying to park or push off trademarks over to someone else for profit. No one on this forum condones this behavior. Yes, sometimes people are not sure if they hold a TM, but thats why they ask others on here just to make sure. There are odd cases where a member will put up a TM for sale, but as soon as he/she is aware that the term is a TM, the thread is immidiately closed.

The point is, people make mistakes, but this is no secret.

[Domainer1]

Squirrel, thank you for this warning.May be it's tm as well, but may be it consists of generic words, so it can't be tm.

[IdnHost]

banana republic, the clothing store, also consists of two generic words. better to be sure.

[Drewbert]

Squirrel, thank you for this warning.May be it's tm as well, but may be it consists of generic words, so it can't be tm.

Hmmm.

Tide
United
Absolut

Just to name a few.

I had banana-republic.com taken off me years ago.

TM's and policing of such can be quite irrational.

If you've had a domain for 10+ years which turns out to be a TM and you've used it in a non-infringing way, should the TM owner still have any rights? The document of latches sp?) is getting an airing in UDRP's recently.

I think if I was a TM owner and found a domainer had a domain and was using it in a way that wasn't damaging the "intellectual property" - possibly helping in sales, I think I'd be happier than if it was registered by a nutcase who was sending it to a kiddy porn page.

But that's being rational.

[blackpower]

Hmmm.

Tide
United
Absolut

Just to name a few.

I had banana-republic.com taken off me years ago.

TM's and policing of such can be quite irrational.

If you've had a domain for 10+ years which turns out to be a TM and you've used it in a non-infringing way, should the TM owner still have any rights? The document of latches sp?) is getting an airing in UDRP's recently.

I think if I was a TM owner and found a domainer had a domain and was using it in a way that wasn't damaging the "intellectual property" - possibly helping in sales, I think I'd be happier than if it was registered by a nutcase who was sending it to a kiddy porn page.

But that's being rational.

The problem is nobody wants to fight a losing battle. By the spirit of Law, a trademark owner loses TM right/or they are severely diluted if he does not fight infringements. But then you end up in UDRP and it's all up to some corrupt "expert". We've seen so many cases of that, didn't we?
In USA one can stop the takeover by UDRP by going to local court but this is only worth it in big and clear case like Barcelona.com

[Jay]

Since this has branched off into trademark issues now, I have a question - if you register a name that is a translation of a website, but the name itself is not trademarked, is this a violation? What's people's take on this? Let's say the website is about cars and is called CoolSmokingWheels.com and you get the Japanese translation?

[Ryu]

Since this has branched off into trademark issues now, I have a question - if you register a name that is a translation of a website, but the name itself is not trademarked, is this a violation? What's people's take on this? Let's say the website is about cars and is called CoolSmokingWheels.com and you get the Japanese translation?

Well, I'd say it's the intention that matters. In your sample case, "Cool smoking wheels" is a very unique combination of words, and there's no doubt that whoever registers the Japanese transliteration of such combination does so to unfairly take advantage of an existing site. Hence imo it's violation.

When a website is very popular and has a very unique name, I think the name is a de-facto TM.

[Drewbert]

Well, I'd say it's the intention that matters. In your sample case, "Cool smoking wheels" is a very unique combination of words, and there's no doubt that whoever registers the Japanese transliteration of such combination does so to unfairly take advantage of an existing site. Hence imo it's violation.

The TM system is owner-policed. It's up to the TM owner to allege violation. It's not up to anyone else to decide.

The question of owning an English TM sentence and automatically receiving trademark protection in every other language used in the galaxy is going a bit too far, I think. Especially considering there could be 10 different chinese variants of it.


When a website is very popular and has a very unique name, I think the name is a de-facto TM.

Well, it's a name used in commerce and maybe a common law TM - as opposed to a registered TM.

Of course, the same phrase can have multiple TM owners - using the phrase in different areas of business - that's why TM systems have "classes".

There are two entities with a TM for "blah blah blah", another has "blah, blah, blah" and another has "blah blah blah!".

I have one guy try to muscle a descriptive domain from me, based on him having a TM. I checked - he had APPLIED for a TM, that's not the same as having a TM, especially since they rejected it later.

Finally, I'm not a lawyer, don't aspire to be one, don't play one on TV, and if you are having difficulties in this area you should make contact with one of the TM attorneys that frequent this forum.

[Ryu]

Once again, I'd say it's the question of one's intention. Website names are like human names. There's no problem registering the domain name of your name for example, even if the name is coincidentally that of a very famous person.

But if you own a collection of celebrity names, whether the names are translated or not, then that's another story altogether. It would be deemed that the names were registered to unfairly take advantage of those people's fame. In such a case, you can't complain when you get WIPOed or sued.

As long as you intend to play fair, I don't think you'd have problem with generic-word(s) TMs and websites names. Or at least there should not be a problem.

[joel]

Hi,
im french an know a guy how offer emd parking that automaticly fill with affiliation. So this is not ads income, but leads income.
Ex : -www.devisassuranceauto.com
Your dn must be money keyword exact match.
if interested, pm me

[clipper]

I would use Ebay:
https://www.ebaypartnernetwork.com/files/hub/en-US/index.html

You can set up your own feeds based on ebay.fr searches and RSS.

Good luck.