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elisabethindrianyutomo
22nd August 2012, 04:17 AM
Hello all, i want to sell my own idn domains.
Payment must be made using moniker escrow.
_http://moniker.com/domainappraisalbrokerage/domainescrow.jsp

xiʻan.net -> xn--xian-wlc.net
registrar : moniker.com
expired date : 2013-06-25
several tlds are taken
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian
Xi'an is the capital of the Shaanxi province, and a sub-provincial city in the People's Republic of China.
Population : 3,890,098
price : $10,000

côtedʻivoire.com -> xn--ctedivoire-rbb775c.com
registrar : name.com
expired date : 2013-06-30
several tlds are taken
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B4te_d%27Ivoire
Côte dʻIvoire is a country in west africa.
Population : 20,617,068 in 2009
Best products : cocoa no 1 in the world, coffee
price : $10,000

shariʻa.com -> xn--sharia-mjd.com
registrar : name.com
expired date : 2013-06-25
several tlds are taken
Shar'ia is the moral code and religious law of Islam. Shar'ia deals many topics addressed by secular law including crime, politics and economics
price : $5,000

changʻan.com -> xn--changan-xzd.com
registrar : name.com
expired date : 2013-06-25
several tlds are taken
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang%27an
Chang'an is an ancient capital of more than ten dynasties in Chinese history, today known as Xi'an. Chang'an literally means "Perpetual Peace" in Classical Chinese.
price : $10,000


Please post "SOLD" in this thread or PM me or email me at admin (at) trafficcs.com if you are a serious buyer.

Thanks.

DktoInc
22nd August 2012, 04:25 AM
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Rubber Duck
22nd August 2012, 05:56 AM
You are kidding me? Right?

Rubber Duck
22nd August 2012, 05:57 AM
.

Go on. Just bloody say it!

DktoInc
22nd August 2012, 06:02 AM
no, not this time. I am on vacation.

Rubber Duck
22nd August 2012, 06:17 AM
no, not this time. I am on vacation.

You are right.

There are no words!

monkmonkey
22nd August 2012, 07:01 AM
:lol:

Wot
22nd August 2012, 08:44 AM
I got a headache!

bumblebee man
22nd August 2012, 09:20 AM
I got a headache!

Yeah, http://www.tamemymind.com/blog/images2007/smiley-bangheadonwall.gif kind of hurts.

bwhhisc
22nd August 2012, 02:53 PM
Didn't know it was bloody possible to get apostrophe's into domains!!

bumblebee man
22nd August 2012, 03:30 PM
Didn't know it was bloody possible to get apostrophe's into domains!!

Because it isn't. It's a Hawaiian letter (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CA%BB) so these names are mixed script.

bwhhisc
22nd August 2012, 05:18 PM
Because it isn't. It's a Hawaiian letter (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CA%BB) so these names are mixed script.

Sheesh!!! Are they more popular than the "Cherokee" Indian script IDNs? :lol:

bumblebee man
22nd August 2012, 11:04 PM
Sheesh!!! Are they more popular than the "Cherokee" Indian script IDNs? :lol:

About as popular I guess. But then again they are premium as the thread title states.

http://www.cavemansman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/golden_turd2.jpeg

Avtal
22nd August 2012, 11:32 PM
Because it isn't. It's a Hawaiian letter (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CA%BB) so these names are mixed script.

I was going to disagree, but after some research, I decided you are correct.

According to Wikipedia, the Hawaiian alphabet consists of:
Aa, Ee, Ii, Oo, Uu, Āā, Ēē, Īī, Ōō, Ūū, Hh, Kk, Ll, Mm, Nn, Pp, Ww, and ʻ (turned comma, or okina).

So for instance, shariʻa is mixed script, because it includes ʻ (okina), which is Hawaiian, and "s", which is not. Likewise, the other domains offered for sale contain non-Hawaiian letters.

On a tangent: I once tried to figure out what character the Latin version of the Uzbek language would use in place of the apostrophe if it wanted to be Unicode compliant, but the authorities were silent on the subject.

Avtal

bumblebee man
23rd August 2012, 12:14 AM
To be honest I didn't research quite as far. Anyway you must be knowing what you are doing when creating names like that. That's what always puzzles me:

1) You find out about IDN.
2) Then you spend all your time and money for registering look-alike names intended to scam other people.

That's beyond me.

DktoInc
23rd August 2012, 12:24 AM
To be honest I didn't research quite as far. Anyway you must be knowing what you are doing when creating names like that. That's what always puzzles me:

1) You find out about IDN.
2) Then you spend all your time and money for registering look-alike names intended to scam other people.

That's beyond me.


if there was no money in it, they wouldn't be doing it.
Just look at sedo and other sales of phishing domains.

Drewbert
23rd August 2012, 12:48 AM
According to Wikipedia, the Hawaiian alphabet consists of:
Aa, Ee, Ii, Oo, Uu, Āā, Ēē, Īī, Ōō, Ūū, Hh, Kk, Ll, Mm, Nn, Pp, Ww, and ʻ (turned comma, or okina).


Yes. Important to note that it is a letter rather than a punctuation mark.

Some of the other polynesian languages also use the glottal stop (Fijian and Samoan IIRC) and they were always trying to decide what letter-like shape they would use for it instead of people using an apostrophe, which screwed up early spell checks etc.

Very important letter in Hawaiʻi.

Avtal
23rd August 2012, 01:12 AM
Very important letter in Hawaiʻi.

But sad to say, even Hawaiian government websites (portal.ehawaii.gov, for instance) use apostrophes or single quotes instead of okinas. Only Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii) gets it right.

Avtal

elisabethindrianyutomo
23rd August 2012, 01:52 AM
I add 2 more domains

hawaiʻi.net -> xn--hawaii-mjd.net
registrar : dynadot.com
expired date : 2013/05/26
most tlds are taken
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii
Hawai'i is the most recent of the 50 U.S. states (joined the Union on August 21, 1959), and is the only U.S. state made up entirely of islands.
population : 1,374,810 (2011)
Best industry : tourism
price : $100,000


xiʻan.com -> xn--xian-wlc.net
registrar : name.com
expired date : 2013-05-29
most tlds are taken
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian
Xi'an is the capital of the Shaanxi province, and a sub-provincial city in the People's Republic of China.
Population : 3,890,098
price : $100,000


Remember :
Payments must be made using moniker escrow (http://moniker.com/domainappraisalbrokerage/domainescrow.jsp).

Please post "SOLD" in this thread or PM me or email me at admin (at) trafficcs.com if you are a serious buyer.

If you do not agree with my prices, you can PM or Email me your best offer.
NO low ball offers please.

Thanks.

monkmonkey
23rd August 2012, 02:08 AM
Fear the Reaper>:D

Avtal
23rd August 2012, 02:42 AM
hawaiʻi.net is correct, as best as I can tell. Correct spelling and correct characters for Hawaii in the Hawaiian language.

Avtal

tee1
23rd August 2012, 02:46 AM
"Most tlds are NOT taken" they are "not found"

[edit] ok one is correct errrr via Avtal


I add 2 more domains

hawaiʻi.net -> xn--hawaii-mjd.net
registrar : dynadot.com
expired date : 2013/05/26
most tlds are taken
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii
Hawai'i is the most recent of the 50 U.S. states (joined the Union on August 21, 1959), and is the only U.S. state made up entirely of islands.
population : 1,374,810 (2011)
Best industry : tourism
price : $100,000


xiʻan.com -> xn--xian-wlc.net
registrar : name.com
expired date : 2013-05-29
most tlds are taken
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian
Xi'an is the capital of the Shaanxi province, and a sub-provincial city in the People's Republic of China.
Population : 3,890,098
price : $100,000


Remember :
Payments must be made using moniker escrow (http://moniker.com/domainappraisalbrokerage/domainescrow.jsp).

Please post "SOLD" in this thread or PM me or email me at admin (at) trafficcs.com if you are a serious buyer.

If you do not agree with my prices, you can PM or Email me your best offer.
NO low ball offers please.

Thanks.

Rubber Duck
23rd August 2012, 08:22 AM
The most notable thing about sales on this forum are there really are very few.

Yes, a few people testing the water. Yes, and quite a few people peddling junk, often Newbies.

There are motivated sellers, but they are rarely motivated for the prices buyers want. Motivated buyers are a rare phenomenon.

This week has been a bad week, Ramadan and Summer Vacations and the like. If it went on like this for a year or two, would I become a motivated seller? No, I would do what I have done before and simply drop weaker domains. It just does not make sense to sell the cream to renew the curd.

bumblebee man
23rd August 2012, 10:52 AM
if there was no money in it, they wouldn't be doing it.
Just look at sedo and other sales of phishing domains.

Sure looks like it. But still I don't quite get why scamming seems to be the first thought for many when they discover IDN. What was the first thought when fire was discovered? "Wow, now I can burn down my neighbour's house..."? Not unlikely but still somewhat disturbing. :no:

Ryu
23rd August 2012, 11:29 AM
Sure looks like it. But still I don't quite get why scamming seems to be the first thought for many when they discover IDN. What was the first thought when fire was discovered? "Wow, now I can burn down my neighbour's house..."? Not unlikely but still somewhat disturbing. :no:

They probably discovered phishing domains first at Sedo, etc and then later found out that they were IDNs. So, in your example, it's like you see a house in flame, get shocked and learn later that fire was used to burn the house.

bwhhisc
23rd August 2012, 12:10 PM
I add 2 more domains

hawaiʻi.net -> xn--hawaii-mjd.net
price : $100,000

xiʻan.com -> xn--xian-wlc.net
price : $100,000

If you do not agree with my prices, you can PM or Email me your best offer.
NO low ball offers please.

Thanks.

MODERATOR NOTE:

Elisabeth-

JUST A NOTE- WE DON'T ALLOW PHISHING OR MIXED SCRIPT DOMAINS TO BE SOLD HERE

If these are indeed "Hawaiian language" domains you can offer them for sale, but if any are mixed script please remove them from sale.

Thank you

elisabethindrianyutomo
23rd August 2012, 12:37 PM
Hello Moderator.

They are true Hawaiian languange.
I do not use mixed script domains to be sold here.

changʻan.com
.org, .biz, .info, .co, .de taken

shariʻa.com
.org, .biz, .info, .co, .de taken

xiʻan.com & xiʻan.net
.org, .biz, .info, .co, .de taken

côtedʻivoire.com
.org, .biz, .info, .co, .de taken

hawaiʻi.net
.com, .org, .biz, .info, .co, .de taken

bumblebee man
23rd August 2012, 01:04 PM
They are true Hawaiian languange.
I do not use mixed script domains to be sold here.

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30300000/I-didn-t-do-it-looool-hahahahahahaha-30374159-607-456.png

I didn't do it.


Could you please provide some evidence which proves that letters like ô, c, s, d, r, or x are used in Hawaiian language. Thanks

elisabethindrianyutomo
23rd August 2012, 01:12 PM
Hawaiʻi is the most recent of the 50 U.S. states (joined the Union on
August 21, 1959), and is the only U.S. state made up entirely of islands.
population : 1,374,810 (2011).

Although in English the state is named Hawaii, residents of the island
chain universally prefer the native spelling Hawaiʻi.
Hawaiʻi is also the name of one of the islands that make up the state.

bumblebee man
23rd August 2012, 01:37 PM
.org, .biz, .info, .co, .de taken


Not taken. Unavailable.

Where's the scythe?

elisabethindrianyutomo
23rd August 2012, 01:48 PM
Please use dynadot
http://www.dynadot.com/domain/idn-bulk-search.html

Please download the proof
http://www.ziddu.com/download/20178768/dynadot.jpg.html

If moderators do not allow me to list these domains, please kindly inform me and delete this thread and i will change my signature.

No problem at all.

Thanks.

Jay
23rd August 2012, 02:12 PM
If it looks like an ASCII name, but is in fact an IDN name, then it is phishing. If it involves characters that aren't natively used alongside the other characters in the name, then it is mixed script. On that basis, I think your names fail on both counts.

bumblebee man
23rd August 2012, 02:24 PM
Please use dynadot
http://www.dynadot.com/domain/idn-bulk-search.html

Please download the proof
http://www.ziddu.com/download/20178768/dynadot.jpg.html


The only thing you have proven is that you're either

a) a complete idiot

or

b) thinking we're complete idiots.

In case of a) here's a little hint: click on the whois and you'll see that they are not actually taken by anyone.

gammascalper
23rd August 2012, 03:08 PM
If it looks like an ASCII name, but is in fact an IDN name, then it is phishing. If it involves characters that aren't natively used alongside the other characters in the name, then it is mixed script. On that basis, I think your names fail on both counts.

Agree with Jay. The letter of the law doesn't apply here. But the sniff test does.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like one, it's a ya1

Drewbert
24th August 2012, 12:47 AM
We have to be careful here, defining what exactly is a phishing domain.

They could only be considered phishing domains if it was possible to have a "normal" apostrophe in a domain name, which you can't.

Also, if these are considered phishing domains, then the same could be said for farsi equivalents of arabic IDN's since they look the same.

They are mixed script domains, but in a way that get's around a shortcoming in the DNS (inability to use ' in a domain).

Wot
24th August 2012, 03:39 AM
Any Hawaiʻians here?

Jay
24th August 2012, 07:13 AM
They could only be considered phishing domains if it was possible to have a "normal" apostrophe in a domain name, which you can't.

Okay, it doesn't mimic any existing ASCII domains, because as you say there's no basis for a "normal" apostrophe in ASCII registrations. But I would argue that because it appears like a normal apostrophe, and mimics the ASCII keyboard in doing so, then it is phishing as more broadly defined.

Can we also assume that all domain buyers know that apostrophes aren't possible? Would they know that in purchasing one of these domains, that a Latin user wouldn't be able to type the apostrophe using the "normal" characters on their keyboard?

The point is, the words have no other purpose than to represent Latin terms, which include a non-Latin character that mimics a Latin apostrophe.

The prosecution rests.

bumblebee man
24th August 2012, 11:21 AM
Okay, it doesn't mimic any existing ASCII domains, because as you say there's no basis for a "normal" apostrophe in ASCII registrations. But I would argue that because it appears like a normal apostrophe, and mimics the ASCII keyboard in doing so, then it is phishing as more broadly defined.

Can we also assume that all domain buyers know that apostrophes aren't possible? Would they know that in purchasing one of these domains, that a Latin user wouldn't be able to type the apostrophe using the "normal" characters on their keyboard?

The point is, the words have no other purpose than to represent Latin terms, which include a non-Latin character that mimics a Latin apostrophe.

The prosecution rests.

Exactly. This is a very simple case. What is the purpose of a character that looks like an apostroph, is used to represent an apostroph but isn't an apostroph?

Whether or not there is a shortcoming in the DNS isn't relevant here. If there was an invisible character making domain[invisibleCharacter]name.com appear like domain name.com would that be

1) welcome because there is a shortcoming (no space) in the DNS
2) scammer's paradise

?

Drewbert
25th August 2012, 01:14 PM
Sorry, but I stand firm. You can't phish a domain that cannot exist.

What is the purpose of a character that looks like an apostroph, is used to represent an apostroph but isn't an apostroph?

It attempts to resolve a shortcoming in the DNS.

You never know, the French might see this and decide it's a good idea to be able to use an apostrophe in a domain name (to allow a complete version of the French language in DNS) and decide to adopt ʻ as a replacement for ' in the French language.