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bwhhisc
1st September 2013, 03:22 AM
LSM has spoken! His Tip: Go 'long' on the "titanic opportunity in pinyin" for the "tens of millions" of Chinese ESL'ers, while ignoring the HUNDREDS OF MILLION of Chinese internet users of the future that can't read a word of English and just might be more comfortable surfing the internet in their native language. Maybe someone can explain to him that IDNs are not primarily for people that speak or read English, but to provide navigation on the internet for non-ESL'ers in their own native languages. ;)

QUOTE:
"English language as Esperanto of global business hasn’t diminished. The quarter million primary schools in China pumping out tens of millions of little ESL’ers certainly doesn’t help your case in the long run. The saddest tale in the saga of “IDN investors” isn’t in the failed paths taken but rather the titanic opportunities you missed in pinyin. Conceptually, you buttholes were first movers on the scene yet rejected it on the basis of shitty logic and insular narratives.

Now, nigh a decade on, as quality pinyin sees more in and out action than a $5 Bangkok whore you retards are STILL standing at the dock, saluting the horizon, hoping for any sign of a ship that is looking increasingly less and less likely to ever come in. Now, head back to that little anus of a forum, blather your pedant anti-American horseshit with the other losers and keep on hoping the world will change to fit your needs. (Protip: It will not)."

http://www.ricksblog.com/2013/08/bloomberg-risk-of-foreign-domains-describes-vulnerability-of-extensions-other-than-com-and-net/#comments

123
1st September 2013, 06:51 AM
some stats:

汽车 18000 searches/day

http://index.baidu.com/main/word.php?type=1&area=0&time=0&word=%C6%FB%B3%B5

Auto 1000 searches/day

http://index.baidu.com/main/word.php?type=1&area=0&time=0&word=auto

Qiche (this is the pinyin version i think) 1000 searches/day

http://index.baidu.com/main/word.php?type=1&area=0&time=0&word=qiche

also:

http://img.allvoices.com/thumbs/event/609/480/65912531-chinese-coke.jpg

http://www.xuanwang.com.cn/eWebEditor/UploadFile/20083322120408.jpg

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7183425-coca-cola-invests-2-billion-in-china-sees-it-as-potential-number-one-market

Coca Cola invests 2 billion in China sees it as potential number one market.

Would you rather advertise 百事可乐.cn or Pepsi.cn?

Maybe just posting the pic is enough to end the argument ;)

Hegewisch
1st September 2013, 08:01 AM
Maybe just posting the pic is enough to end the argument ;)

It doesn't even address the 'argument'.

Nobody is arguing that most Chinese speak Chinese, most Russians speak Russian.

The 'argument' is making money with domain names, or, failing at it via applying stupid and uninformed narratives to tangential facts.

Hegewisch
1st September 2013, 08:05 AM
while the ignoring the HUNDREDS OF MILLION of Chinese internet users of the future ...


For the record, I was being nice calling you all buttholes and retards. My normal tack with people like this is to really break down the intelligence levels in play, but why fucking bother with this one... We're dealing with the hard-core deluded here.

Who is IGNORING the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF FUTURE-TREND CHINESE INTERNET SUPERUSERS?

Certainly not me. I'm just interested in making fucking money in denominations that provides a comfortable living outside the 3rd world... and yes, yes, it's always the same wherever you go in domainville. There are really bazillions flowing just beneath the surface, vague hints of people making a killing, all under NDA... no doubt those monkeys will be along shortly with their flailing and wailing and bullshit.

Enjoy the fantasy, keep playing that 'future hope maybe someday' card. The grown-up world is too busy focusing on flowing black right now, fifteen minutes from now, tomorrow and next quarter.

123
1st September 2013, 08:10 AM
stupid

Please explain in more detail what is 'stupid'

uninformed narratives

More details please.

tangential facts.

please list them.

Hegewisch
1st September 2013, 08:17 AM
No interest whatsoever holding your hand nor making elaborate, point for point explanations and definitions of every word I say because some hut dweller can't offer anything substantive to actually contradistinguish your point from what I've already said.

You're on the defensive here with the rest of the pro IDN crowd, Haji. Not me.

You want to play internet word games, you won't be playing them with me.

123
1st September 2013, 08:30 AM
I am not playing word games but i don't see any real facts here. If you have some share them.

I will list some facts:

It is a fact that the majority of brands in China are in chinese script. It is also a fact that in advertising BRANDS are being advertised in chinese characters not pinyin.

It is also a fact that in the mind of the consumer, the brand is there in chinese characters not pinyin.

It is also a fact that global brands (e.g Coca Cola) advertise their brand in chinese script not pinyin or english.

Domain names are brands and since most of advertising in China is done in chinese script there is no doubt that IDNs are the real deal and pinyin and english just an inefficient alternative.

Enjoy the fantasy, keep playing that 'future hope maybe someday' card

In domaining how much money something makes today does not always predict how much you will make in the future. Based on that no one should have invested in domain names in the ninties. The early .com investors were laughed at don't forget that.

Wot
1st September 2013, 08:48 AM
No interest whatsoever holding your hand nor making elaborate, point for point explanations and definitions of every word I say because some hut dweller can't offer anything substantive to actually contradistinguish your point from what I've already said.

You're on the defensive here with the rest of the pro IDN crowd, Haji. Not me.

You want to play internet word games, you won't be playing them with me.

I guess the mods missed this username when doing the culling?

Rubber Duck
1st September 2013, 08:58 AM
Mods. Please don't ban this guy.

He is really entertaining!

Rubber Duck
1st September 2013, 09:06 AM
If this guy knew the history of the Chinese Internet, he would know all of it was in Pin Yin circa 2004, with unsearchable bit map of Chinese Glyphs for artistic effect.

Unicode was introduced and within 12 months the vast majority of sites had switched to Chinese Characters in Unicode.

When the switch to Chinese characters in Domains it will be a fairly dramatic event.

Arguments about use of English are disturbing only in as much as it is worrying that people that think the Chinese need English to access Chinese Script or somehow it achieves International audience for Chinese content are still allowed to walk the street. They need to be put in a padded cell and sedated.

I am not playing word games but i don't see any real facts here. If you have some share them.

I will list some facts:

It is a fact that the majority of brands in China are in chinese script. It is also a fact that in advertising BRANDS are being advertised in chinese characters not pinyin.

It is also a fact that in the mind of the consumer, the brand is there in chinese characters not pinyin.

It is also a fact that global brands (e.g Coca Cola) advertise their brand in chinese script not pinyin or english.

Domain names are brands and since most of advertising in China is done in chinese script there is no doubt that IDNs are the real deal and pinyin and english just an inefficient alternative.



In domaining how much money something makes today does not always predict how much you will make in the future. Based on that no one should have invested in domain names in the ninties. The early .com investors were laughed at don't forget that.

alpha
1st September 2013, 09:26 AM
I guess the mods missed this username when doing the culling?

you know what. I'm sitting here debating what to do next. Ban this guy or list a bunch of reasons why he and all the ignorant Rick wannabe's are wrong.

The thing is, we've been here before, even when you argue the logic or show traffic stats and $10+ clicks, or remind them IDN isn't just 3rd world languages. People like this still refuse to see that IDNs are domains and domaining is about making money out of domains.

For 13 years (thanks ICANN) people have been waiting for full IDN.IDN versions of their .com to go live in the root.

If you want to have a conversation about good/bad investment, the only valid time to have that is 12 months after they are live. Until then, I'll happily sit here watching my traffic pay my renewals, and being entertained by the constant trickle of nobody's intent on telling me they want to measure success before that time.

This latest nobody makes the effort to be theatrical in his comments. I think we should let him stay.

Wot
1st September 2013, 09:35 AM
you know what. I'm sitting here debating what to do next. Ban this guy or list a bunch of reasons why he and all the ignorant Rick wannabe's are wrong.

The thing is, we've been here before, even when you argue the logic or show traffic stats and $10+ clicks, or remind them IDN isn't just 3rd world languages. People like this still refuse to see that IDNs are domains and domaining is about making money out of domains.

For 13 years (thanks ICANN) people have been waiting for full IDN.IDN versions of their .com to go live in the root.

If you want to have a conversation about good/bad investment, the only valid time to have that is 12 months after they are live. Until then, I'll happily sit here watching my traffic pay my renewals, and being entertained by the constant trickle of nobody's intent on telling me they want to measure success before that time.

This latest nobody makes the effort to be theatrical in his comments. I think we should let him stay.


He will overstep as he always does but I suppose it is quite amusing. I think he may have just added another username for future use but then I am often wrong. :-p

bwhhisc
1st September 2013, 12:43 PM
you know what. I'm sitting here debating what to do next. Ban this guy or list a bunch of reasons why he and all the ignorant Rick wannabe's are wrong.


No Gary, let him speak his mind and learn the facts. Maybe we will want to drop our IDNs hearing him out. :lol:

It doesn't even address the 'argument'.

The 'argument' is making money with domain names, or, failing at it via applying stupid and uninformed narratives to tangential facts.


YOU SAY: You can't make money with IDN domain names.

FACT: My top 200 IDN names earned $14,075.43 at Bodis.com parking last year (Jan.-Dec. 2012).
That does not including my revenue at ParkingCrew.com where I park my Japanese IDNS.

I have contacted Matt at Bodis.com and asked him to publically verify those figures, as well as invited him over to perhaps share some broader stats. There is an article by the Owners of ParkingCrew.com at IDNBlog.com about some of the IDN Parking Stats at their site.

http://idnblog.com/

Nico from PARKINGCREW.com says: "Average IDN in their system gets 120.6% of the traffic of ASCII's in their system.
I will email him and ask him about the comparison of PPC for idn vs. ascii just for the record.

My "argument" back to you is that IDNs are just one of a hundred ways to make money in the domain business. ;)

alpha
1st September 2013, 01:20 PM
No Gary, let him speak his mind and learn the facts. Maybe we will want to drop our IDNs hearing him out. :lol:

I'll tell you what will happen.

either:

a) nothing. silence. remember all those .mobi fan boys telling us we wasted our money and should follow rick and them.. where are they now? silent.

or

b) we'll just hear the same old nonsense.


but I get it. After all these years, we're making money. And the ascii market is dying on the vine, so many people complaining they can't even cover renewal fees. I've lost count how many big ticket domains have resold for less recently, their owners clearly cashing out and minimizing their loss.

We were the black sheep of the family when people didn't understand. And now we're the black sheep of the family because we are going against the trend and making $.

No matter how much rick tries to talk the game up, they're in trouble... to quote rick: "numbers don't lie".

bwhhisc
1st September 2013, 01:36 PM
I'll tell you what will happen.
either:
a) nothing. silence. remember all those .mobi fan boys telling us we wasted our money and should follow rick and them.. where are they now? silent.
or
b) we'll just hear the same old nonsense.
but I get it. After all these years, we're making money. And the ascii market is dying on the vine, so many people complaining they can't even cover renewal fees. I've lost count how many big ticket domains have resold for less recently, their owners clearly cashing out and minimizing their loss.

We were the black sheep of the family when people didn't understand. And now we're the black sheep of the family because we are going against the trend and making $.

No matter how much rick tries to talk the game up, they're in trouble... to quote rick: "numbers don't lie".

Rick continually states there are still huge opportunities to make money in Domaining, he is as bullish as ever.... but that is for the .com ASCII market.

Many of Ricks readers have been candid that they are bleeding red ink on their ASCII portfolios with drops in parking, and drops in traffic on mini-sites etc. Those that continue to do well are mostly the 'old timers' that got in early and have huge Type In ascii domains, or names they can flip and sustain their portfolios.

Seems that when Rick paid $45k for Porno.com back in 97' or so they ridiculed him unmercifully for investing in a domain name.... but look who got the last laugh. ;)

gammascalper
1st September 2013, 01:50 PM
FACT: My top 200 IDN names earned $14,075.43 at Bodis.com parking last year (Jan.-Dec. 2012).

Outstanding Bill!

squirrel
1st September 2013, 01:59 PM
The 'argument' is making money with domain names.

Hi and welcome to IDNF

IdnHost
1st September 2013, 02:30 PM
For the record, I was being nice calling you all buttholes and retards. My normal tack with people like this is to really break down the intelligence levels in play, but why fucking bother with this one... We're dealing with the hard-core deluded here.

Who is IGNORING the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF FUTURE-TREND CHINESE INTERNET SUPERUSERS?

Certainly not me. I'm just interested in making fucking money in denominations that provides a comfortable living outside the 3rd world... and yes, yes, it's always the same wherever you go in domainville. There are really bazillions flowing just beneath the surface, vague hints of people making a killing, all under NDA... no doubt those monkeys will be along shortly with their flailing and wailing and bullshit.

Enjoy the fantasy, keep playing that 'future hope maybe someday' card. The grown-up world is too busy focusing on flowing black right now, fifteen minutes from now, tomorrow and next quarter.

Who is this guy fooling. He joined this forum in 2009, went to sleep, missed all the idn registrations/drops and now woke up all cranky with his thumb up his ass. Talk about buttholes lol. If i was you, id be pissed myself. Then again, if I were you i'd be pissed that i look like the lamp peddler from aladdin.

123
1st September 2013, 02:50 PM
Rick continually states there are still huge opportunities to make money in Domaining, he is as bullish as ever.... but that is for the .com ASCII market.

Many of Ricks readers have been candid that they are bleeding red ink on their ASCII portfolios with drops in parking, and drops in traffic on mini-sites etc. Those that continue to do well are mostly the 'old timers' that got in early and have huge Type In ascii domains, or names they can flip and sustain their portfolios.



Yes this is a good point. IDNers are accused of deluding themselves that the day of the big money will eventually come but how is this different from the ASCII crowd? If you read ricks blog you can frequently spot stuff like: "when will the first 9 figure domain sale happen?", "or even when domain prices will be 10 times higher they will still be undervalued"

Where is the evidence that prices will continue to go up that much?

ASCII already have had spectacular increases and there is far less room for growth. If there will be amazing growth it will be in foreign markets and IDNs not in english.com because that is where the growth has not happened yet.

if you look at the prices from Greatdomains in 2000

http://web.archive.org/web/20000511025851/http://greatdomains.com/showcase.asp

Are they so much lower than today? Slogan.com was listed $200,000. 13 years later listed for $250k.

bwhhisc
1st September 2013, 03:22 PM
IDNers are accused of deluding themselves that the day of the big money will eventually come

I still think IDNs are a long term play, but hope that they 'break out' when VeriSign rolls out IDN.IDN(.COM) transliterations in native languages under the new gTLD program.

There are some striking parallels between ASCII domain investment market in 1996 and IDN domain as an emerging market for 2013- 2014 and beyond.

I happen to believe that smart businesses and advertisers will grab on to native language IDN domains as simply ONE TOOL in their marketing plan, and that would be the catalyst to make IDN domains take on value. the value I see is that the numbers of internet users are staggering in China and India to name a few, and IDNs are easy to remember to drive visitors from advertising on radio or billboards to websites by providing an easy way to remember your website name. Simple and proven true with ASCII names, so why not for people that can't read a lick of English, but can certainly read Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Hebrew or Thai....etc.

Of course the ones that get type-in and revenue right now are certainly nice to have. And I am not sure it is all type in but MAYBE...just internet surfers seeing native language "IDN Domains" on the search engines and clicking to find out "what" they are.

sbe18
1st September 2013, 04:24 PM
the whole point of defining IDN's as competing with english, ascii or pinyin is foolish.
the whole point is making things easy for users in any language on the internet.

was I wrong in 2006 getting started in IDN's ? who cares.

If an IDN can help a brand or be its own brand is ROI in the eye of the holder in 2006 or as holder willing to wait 20 years more.

Being called a butthole, loser and retard shows clarity of emotion.

Have I bought stupid ascii names..yeah.
Have I bought good ones....yeah.
Have I bought great IDN's...yeah.
Have I bought ignorant stupid IDN's...yeah...

I made a conscious decision to wait...knowing that English only addressing needed to be corrected.
I know this is correct.
And I know the timing has been torturous.
But seeing my hope for 2008 being delayed to 2014 sucks... only reflects on the timing but not on the truth that 3 billion people can't speak, read, or type English .

bwhhisc
1st September 2013, 04:28 PM
For the record, I was being nice calling you all buttholes and retards. My normal tack with people like this is to really break down the intelligence levels in play, but why fucking bother with this one... We're dealing with the hard-core deluded here.

OK, fire away I think you will find we can have an intelligent discussion.

Then you say "but why fucking bother with this one, we're dealing with the hard-core deluded here".

Before you go calling names.....jut an FYI...some successful guys like Adam Dicker and Rick Latona dabble in IDNs... and there are even a few 'closet' IDNers I can't mention. ;)

So- Let's just talk IDN facts and myths, and most important.....making money.

Rockruler
1st September 2013, 04:38 PM
With all this being said.... who cares about this guy? He's a troll looking to get us all fired up and at the end of the day he obviously has a bunch of time to waste posting this stuff. He's the same type of person posting asinine comments on youtube and in other forums. The type that loves the anonymity of the net... hide behind a wall and spit rhetoric.

I mean really, why does he even care what IDNers do? He's doing this out of bitterness because obviously he realizes he's missed something good and so now feels compelled to b*tch and whine about it all over the net.

bwhhisc
1st September 2013, 04:46 PM
With all this being said.... who cares about this guy? He's a troll looking to get us all fired up and at the end of the day he obviously has a bunch of time to waste posting this stuff. He's the same type of person posting asinine comments on youtube and in other forums. The type that loves the anonymity of the net... hide behind a wall and spit rhetoric.

I mean really, why does he even care what IDNers do? He's doing this out of bitterness because obviously he realizes he's missed something good and so now feels compelled to b*tch and whine about it all over the net.

I am up to share the facts with the mis-informed and not for his benefit, but more for the others that read the various blogs and learn from the "sidelines".

Hundreds of millions of dollars are being pumped into the IDN programs by ICANN, VeriSign, and the various worldwide registries both for IDN.com, and also new IDNs under the new gTLD program. This is all happening for a simple reason, to make the internet a more user friendly experience in their native languages.

Mr. LSM is lucky that the Chinese didn't invent the internet and decide "no English URLS" for people that don't read Chinese. :eek: Imagine if that WAS the case, and they were just rolling out English.com URLS for the first time in 2013. Hmmmmmmm.....kinda makes you think.

IDN domains are here to stay, that is an absolute fact. But the legitimate question can be asked whether people that don't speak or read English would like to use domains in their native languages. That question was answered affirmatively back in 1999 and was the reason for the IDN program to begin in the first place with much of the impetus coming from Asia and people that understood that most of the world does not, and will not ever speak or read english. Kind of follows the old marketing adage "Find the greatest need and fill it".

Rockruler
1st September 2013, 04:48 PM
I am up to share the facts with the mis-informed and not for his benefit, but more for the others that read the various blogs and "learn" from the sidelines.

Oh yeah, I think it's great that the facts are being shared here. So maybe he is doing everyone a favor after all :)

bwhhisc
1st September 2013, 05:12 PM
Oh yeah, I think it's great that the facts are being shared here. So maybe he is doing everyone a favor after all :)

Mr. LSM took his picture down at RicksBlog....if that was his real picture in the first place.

Hegewisch
1st September 2013, 05:36 PM
Watching this group try to 'reason' is like watching chimps trying figure out how to use an iPad. Every now and then you hit a button that does something but ultimately, you have no fucking idea what you're doing. Since there's just too much garbage to respond to quid pro quo, I'll make some generalities:

1) HE'S JUST BITTER HE MISSED THE GOOD STUFF!
I "passed" on IDN and focused on English Language .com.
If we were to have this conversation in real life with real facts and figures on the table and determine who performed and who didn't with our decisions in domain names, it would look something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kZg_ALxEz0

To be clear, though, I do own two IDN.coms and they both earn parked.

2) I will directly address Einstein above, though. That wasn't my 'real picture'. It was a picture of a politician. Killer insight, assuredly that has brought you millions in the domain world.

3) Elaborate theories are almost always the basis for TERRIBLE working ideas. You'll find that the people who've been perennial wasters of money in IDNs are big fans of 'elaborate theories' to justify what they do.

4) To be clear, I laughed at everyone (including Rick Schwartz) who spent a single dime on .mobi, .co, .tel or any of the others. You baboons, having essentially no working mind, must simplify life into little tribes, each assigned an easy-to-understand binary figure... Believer or non-believer, yes/no, up/down, since profitably navigating the complexities of life under command of your own intellect is something you're unable to do. OH YEAH HE'S JUST ANOTHER RICK SCHWARTZ BLAH BLAH... I've criticized him to the point of fucking screaming and flailing and tears, similarly to what I'm wasting my time doing here.

Dumb decisions are dumb decisions, regardless of who's making them and even though Rick Schwartz made plenty in public, he diverges from this crowd is his capability for realizing he fucked up and cutting a loser.

5) The biggest drag on this forum is its become a mantra of circle-jerkers. No outside perspective, just a bunch of monks chanting the same shit in their walled-off temple, waiting for the Savior to return.

Pathetic, but amusing. Sorry I can't come pray with you. There's money to be made right now, compounding is strong and life is short.

Be back tomorrow to check back in on the assuredly innovative and NOT predictable replies to follow.

Rockruler
1st September 2013, 05:43 PM
similarly to what I'm wasting my time doing here.


So why are you here again? I feel bad for you, you must be a really angry person.

IdnHost
1st September 2013, 05:43 PM
Mr. LSM took his picture down at RicksBlog....if that was his real picture in the first place.

Smart move. He's probably photoshoping his bald eagle lookin head after seeing Rick update his pic lol. (protip....loose the bushy eyebrows lol)

123
1st September 2013, 05:46 PM
You baboons, having essentially no working mind, must simplify life into little tribes, each assigned an easy-to-understand binary figure... Believer or non-believer, yes/no, up/down, since profitably navigating the complexities of life under command of your own intellect is something you're unable to do. OH YEAH HE'S JUST ANOTHER RICK SCHWARTZ BLAH BLAH... I've criticized him to the point of fucking screaming and flailing and tears, similarly to what I'm wasting my time doing here.

you seem a bit tense, your reasoning mostly consists of derogatory name-calling so far. You should at least present some facts and explain in more detail why IDNs will never be successful if you want to be taken seriously.

http://www.circleid.com/posts/2013081_the_next_internet_revolution_will_not_be_in_english/

The Next Internet Revolution Will Not Be in English

http://президент.рф

idn
1st September 2013, 07:29 PM
FACT: My top 200 IDN names earned $14,075.43 at Bodis.com parking last year (Jan.-Dec. 2012).


That's pretty impressive Bill especially when excluding Japanese.

What I find most amusing about this chimp (besides his lack of class and professionalism) is he's basically suggesting that we are all idiots for investing in something that is profitable, ALREADY. Sure, I am not completely satisfied with the level of profit, but why criticize something that brings in more than it takes?

This guy obviously has too much time on his hands or is frustrated he didn't invest. I never understand why people feel obligated to bitch about something they care less about.

I surely wouldn't go to vacuumland.org and tell them not to collect vacuum cleaners no matter how ridiculous I think it is.

bwhhisc
1st September 2013, 07:35 PM
Be back tomorrow to check back in on the assuredly innovative and NOT predictable replies to follow.

As Alpha predicted:
You come in.....talk shit. Then don't present any facts, data, or even viewpoints in order to have a legitimate discussion. You have lost any credibility by simply saying nothing of value or worth discussing.


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chrisofmel
1st September 2013, 07:46 PM
It doesn't even address the 'argument'.

Nobody is arguing that most Chinese speak Chinese, most Russians speak Russian.

The 'argument' is making money with domain names, or, failing at it via applying stupid and uninformed narratives to tangential facts.

I agree with you on this quote "opportunities you missed in pinyin" I own only 1 pinyin name for a few years. and I get 3-4 inquiry's every month, month after month. so yes I wish I loaded up on them a few years back. I agree with you on the fact that idn investments have been a come bet and its been a slow drawn out process. i for one never thought we would still be loading into starting blocks fall of 2013. i will say there is traffic and some good revenue on the quality stuff. i still believe as this plays out the holders of the ultra premium idn names will find great returns.

squirrel
1st September 2013, 08:26 PM
There are interesting points in this thread. If we can get rid of the namecalling Im sure we could all have a great discussion.

idn
1st September 2013, 09:27 PM
There are interesting points in this thread. If we can get rid of the namecalling Im sure we could all have a great discussion.

Seriously? Seems like the same ole thread with the same ole attacks.

These people must do it for attention and we always give it to them.

Avtal
1st September 2013, 09:55 PM
Seriously? Seems like the same ole thread with the same ole attacks.

Not quite the same old stuff (though the same old insults do get kind of tired).

Old stuff: "The internet should be in English." Or (from many Russian domainers, sadly): "Domain names should use only the Latin alphabet".

LSM/Hegewisch's claim: You would be better off financially in 2013 if you had bought pinyin domains in 2006 instead of IDNs.

So something a bit different than the usual attacks.

My response: Hindsight is 20/20; let's see what 2014 brings.

Avtal

idn
1st September 2013, 10:44 PM
My response: Hindsight is 20/20; let's see what 2014 brings.

Avtal

Thats's the point. And I wish I would have bought ASCII domains in the early 90s...

Most of this entire thread is the same old arguments.

We should just start replying to these guys that have nothing better to do and are only here for a sick form of entertainment with "okay" or not replying at all. This guy provides zero benefit, insight or usefulness...on top of that his language is completely inappropriate.

The guy's usage of the word "retard" speaks volumes without even reading a word more of the rest of his nonsense.

mdw
2nd September 2013, 04:19 AM
[ ...... ]There are some striking parallels between ASCII domain investment market in 1996 and IDN domain as an emerging market for 2013- 2014 and beyond.
[ ...... ]


I could not agree more! (but opinions obviously vary)

123
2nd September 2013, 09:50 AM
My response: Hindsight is 20/20; let's see what 2014 brings.

Avtal

Thats's the point. And I wish I would have bought ASCII domains in the early 90s...

Most of this entire thread is the same old arguments.

Yes looking back everyone either looks as an investment genius or investment fool.

I can laugh at others and tell them you're fools not to have bought domains 1994 and because you missed it shows that you are brainless and you will fail again and i am so smart because i am pointing that out.

Even professional investors (stocks etc.) will admit that they are often wrong and don't get the timing right , that is not a problem as long as they are more often right than wrong.

I would say that almost no one here invested big time in pinyin in early 2000 or in ASCII in the early nineties but neither did LSM/Hegewisch i would guess.

Rubber Duck
2nd September 2013, 10:23 AM
Yes looking back everyone either looks as an investment genius or investment fool.

I can laugh at others and tell them you're fools not to have bought domains 1994 and because you missed it shows that you are brainless and you will fail again and i am so smart because i am pointing that out.

Even professional investors (stocks etc.) will admit that they are often wrong and don't get the timing right , that is not a problem as long as they are more often right than wrong.

I would say that almost no one here invested big time in pinyin in early 2000 or in ASCII in the early nineties but neither did LSM/Hegewisch i would guess.

Market timing is generally impossible even with freely traded investments. It is even harder when each investment has to be evaluated on its own merits.

With stocks the key is not to aim to be fully invested. When market direction is unclear always try to be 50% cash, then you have the fire power to take advantage of any major moves up or down. Big rally go to 100% cash in steps. Big Fall go to 0% cash, in steps.

Edwin
2nd September 2013, 10:54 AM
Our Japanese IDN portfolio has made over US$22,000 in the last 10 months from over 300,000 unique typein visitors, and is running at nearly 200% of renewal costs. I love this kind of delusion :)

bwhhisc
2nd September 2013, 03:33 PM
Our Japanese IDN portfolio has made over US$22,000 in the last 10 months from over 300,000 unique typein visitors, and is running at nearly 200% of renewal costs. I love this kind of delusion :)

Nice showing....Japanese PPC rates really help the numbers take off.

Curious, what do you think will happen to traffic when VeriSign kicks in IDN.コム (com)

I think a lot of internet surfers in Japan stumble over IDN parked pages just being curious in seeing the "JapaneseLanguageIDN.com" and wonder where those came from, or how to register them.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 06:23 PM
As expected, on precise railroad time, a tsunami of whinging stupidity and babbling tangents occurred between the previous post and this one.

Promptly disregarding the extra-chromosome droolers wandering around prattling something about my 'not making a point' or 'having no argument'. The point I'm making is right there for all to see but you're either too fucking dumb or just too entranced by your own mantra chanting to comprehend anything that isn't in harmony.

The ONLY souls among you who have a shred of hope (and I do mean 'hope' which is a distinctly different thing than 'likelihood) are those who've taken the time to, at the bare ass minimum, acknowledge reality. People like ChrisOfMel. One needn't give two shits about me personally, you can cry for your mothers about my being a big meanine but the prevailing point I make here is airtight, irrespective of the mouth breathers who can't seem to comprehend it. Also, we welcome to the thread the IDN'ers representation of what is likely their third sigma; Edwin. Congrats.

Mostly what I've read so far has been predictable religious book from a group of 'believers' confronting someone who comes along to point out that ghosts don't exist. Emphasis on 'predictable'. Dumb people consistently believing dumb shit and refusing to let go always looks the same.

Something that does, however, deserve confrontation is the idea that IDN'ers taking advantage of pinyin can be written off to 'market timing' or that its simply an artifact of hindsight being 20/20. If I trade cotton futures on my own account, there are certain presumptions about me that can be made. One is that I must be reasonably successful at it if I've risen in the game to the point of being totally proprietary on my own book. Two, that I will have significant wisdom and knowledge types of the cotton market that allow me to gain an edge.

You mentally retarded faggots were quite literally the FRONT LINE of domain speculation in foreign languages. You were the cotton traders who, in order to win in the cotton market, must have advanced knowledge of the cotton industry. But did you show that advanced knowledge?
No.

Did you show intermediate knowledge? Some shit analyst level intern who you can plop at a desk and have him go over the daily "IDN Domain Report" for anything relevant?
No.

How about maybe a cognizant home gamer? Did you display the degree of knowledge in your own fucking market as the guy at home who reads Barrons and keeps up with his Scottrade account?
Nope. We STILL haven't arrived at the wisdom exhibited by IDN domain name investors in their own space.

Down and down the intellectual rabbit hole we go, until we hit bottom with a thud... and there we meet monkeys, throwing darts.

Freak exceptions and statistical outliers notwithstanding, this has been you.

While I don't live here, I have been paying attention to the neighborhood; the mantras and bullshit 'theories' cited to universally write off what, thus far, has been the most profitable foreign language domain type by light years. Well, lads, I regret to inform you but the bad news is, you absolutely suck at what you do. This is not 'market timing'. This is not belaboring 'hindsight'. It's pointing out the sort of market vibrations that EVERYONE who specialized in this space should've seen- at the very minimum, taken a meaningful hedge position- but instead, chose to cast in their lot entirely with a religion that isn't quite paying off.

Ahhh, but the prayer continues, doesn't it! This year's the big one!
2013/2014?
2012/2013?
2011/2012?
2010/2011?
2009/2010?
2008/2009?

You assholes have been saying *precisely* the same dumb shit for quite some time.

This isn't to say that fuck, who knows? Maybe this really is the year IDN's catch fire.
Maybe this is finally the year the Professor is able to make the coconut phone reach the mainland and get you Gilligan's off Failure Island. I doubt that but I hope so. I also think that much of the IDN'er narrative may actually be correct, in macro-theory, but given the space of a human lifetime, you're far, far too early wasting away in Jean, Nevada, waiting for the Las Vegas strip to arrive at your doorstep.

Being too early can actually be worse and more dangerous to your bottom line than being too late. I waste my time pointing out these sorts of things, though. Oh, look. There goes another dart!

See ya tamara.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 07:12 PM
2 things

You do realise this is an IDN forum, you know, for people dabbling in IDN. Last time I checked pinyin wasn't an IDN and to be honest most people don't get confused like that, the forum name is usually enough for most people.

I'm still refusing to ban you. Anyone who goes to the effort to write 700+ words, and then to carefully re-edit the post over a 30min period no less than 17 times, each time trying to add just a little more wit, a bit more self masturbating fluff.. well, you are certainly dedicated to your cause, and you're putting the time in.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 07:17 PM
make that 19 edits, you were busy re-polishing your speech just 2 more times, in the time it took me to type my reply.

Rubber Duck
2nd September 2013, 07:25 PM
Chinese is kind of unique in as much as Latin Transliteration matters. Congratulations on focusing in on that. A similar strategy in Russian, Arabic or Hindi would not have yielded much.

What you have not stated, however, or possibly did not know is that what you have registered are abbreviated forms of Pin Yin. To pin meaning down exactly you need the numerical suffices. OK for common words not perhaps too important, but to make an ecosystem Pin Yin in the form that you have registered is simply too imprecise. So it could only ever have been a stop gap.

Yes, you are correct, for short-term profitability Pin Yin was the play. Of course due to ICANN intransigence, it has probably latest 5 years longer than it ever should have done. And congratulations for that. Our misfortune has clearly been to your benefit.

But what is really burning you is what you had not foreseen is that the your little party is all but over. I hope you made enough to pay for imminent retirement.

IdnHost
2nd September 2013, 07:27 PM
blah blah blah, another post of zero significance. You have already proved the fact your a jack ass, why dwell on it? We get it, you think your smarter then everyone else on the planet and we, the idners, know nothing about domain investing. Think what you will, no one really cares about what you think anyways. Your immature comments keep diminishing any credibility you once had on this forum. Keep talking smack, thats all your good for.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 07:29 PM
Our Japanese IDN portfolio has made over US$22,000 in the last 10 months from over 300,000 unique typein visitors, and is running at nearly 200% of renewal costs.

Edwin, Edwin, Edwin. You clueless dart throwing monkey. Stop babbling on about making money, you clearly don't understand what domaining is all about.

Rockruler
2nd September 2013, 07:49 PM
Unfortunately all your "points" are getting buried by the seemingly endless vile language you are using. Mentally retarded? Faggots? Wow... it's 2013 and obviously your pea-brain has not evolved past the point of 5th grade cheap shots.

It's too bad because I do appreciate a well-written fact-based argument. Maybe you did have a valid counter point somewhere in there... but it's totally lost on me as well as the others.

Here's what we should do: donate to a coin jar to raise funds to send Mr(s). Hegewisch to an online debate course. Maybe the poor guy (or girl) will learn something. Who's with me?

idn
2nd September 2013, 08:25 PM
As expected, on precise railroad time, a tsunami of whinging stupidity and babbling tangents occurred between the previous post and this one.

Promptly disregarding the extra-chromosome droolers wandering around prattling something about my 'not making a point' or 'having no argument'. The point I'm making is right there for all to see but you're either too fucking dumb or just too entranced by your own mantra chanting to comprehend anything that isn't in harmony.

The ONLY souls among you who have a shred of hope (and I do mean 'hope' which is a distinctly different thing than 'likelihood) are those who've taken the time to, at the bare ass minimum, acknowledge reality. People like ChrisOfMel. One needn't give two shits about me personally, you can cry for your mothers about my being a big meanine but the prevailing point I make here is airtight, irrespective of the mouth breathers who can't seem to comprehend it. Also, we welcome to the thread the IDN'ers representation of what is likely their third sigma; Edwin. Congrats.

Mostly what I've read so far has been predictable religious book from a group of 'believers' confronting someone who comes along to point out that ghosts don't exist. Emphasis on 'predictable'. Dumb people consistently believing dumb shit and refusing to let go always looks the same.

Something that does, however, deserve confrontation is the idea that IDN'ers taking advantage of pinyin can be written off to 'market timing' or that its simply an artifact of hindsight being 20/20. If I trade cotton futures on my own account, there are certain presumptions about me that can be made. One is that I must be reasonably successful at it if I've risen in the game to the point of being totally proprietary on my own book. Two, that I will have significant wisdom and knowledge types of the cotton market that allow me to gain an edge.

You mentally retarded faggots were quite literally the FRONT LINE of domain speculation in foreign languages. You were the cotton traders who, in order to win in the cotton market, must have advanced knowledge of the cotton industry. But did you show that advanced knowledge?
No.

Did you show intermediate knowledge? Some shit analyst level intern who you can plop at a desk and have him go over the daily "IDN Domain Report" for anything relevant?
No.

How about maybe a cognizant home gamer? Did you display the degree of knowledge in your own fucking market as the guy at home who reads Barrons and keeps up with his Scottrade account?
Nope. We STILL haven't arrived at the wisdom exhibited by IDN domain name investors in their own space.

Down and down the intellectual rabbit hole we go, until we hit bottom with a thud... and there we meet monkeys, throwing darts.

Freak exceptions and statistical outliers notwithstanding, this has been you.

While I don't live here, I have been paying attention to the neighborhood; the mantras and bullshit 'theories' cited to universally write off what, thus far, has been the most profitable foreign language domain type by light years. Well, lads, I regret to inform you but the bad news is, you absolutely suck at what you do. This is not 'market timing'. This is not belaboring 'hindsight'. It's pointing out the sort of market vibrations that EVERYONE who specialized in this space should've seen- at the very minimum, taken a meaningful hedge position- but instead, chose to cast in their lot entirely with a religion that isn't quite paying off.

Ahhh, but the prayer continues, doesn't it! This year's the big one!
2013/2014?
2012/2013?
2011/2012?
2010/2011?
2009/2010?
2008/2009?

You assholes have been saying *precisely* the same dumb shit for quite some time.

This isn't to say that fuck, who knows? Maybe this really is the year IDN's catch fire.
Maybe this is finally the year the Professor is able to make the coconut phone reach the mainland and get you Gilligan's off Failure Island. I doubt that but I hope so. I also think that much of the IDN'er narrative may actually be correct, in macro-theory, but given the space of a human lifetime, you're far, far too early wasting away in Jean, Nevada, waiting for the Las Vegas strip to arrive at your doorstep.

Being too early can actually be worse and more dangerous to your bottom line than being too late. I waste my time pointing out these sorts of things, though. Oh, look. There goes another dart!

See ya tamara.

Okay

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 08:39 PM
make that 19 edits, you were busy re-polishing your speech just 2 more times, in the time it took me to type my reply.

Relentlessly edit; a mantra taught to me by a journalism professor. Always have, always will. Now that I read it again, it actually requires a bit more work.

The reason something like that is a foreign concept to someone like yourself is because you're quite apparently dumb it's very unlikely you could cobble up two whole paragraphs that anyone might want to read.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 08:41 PM
I'm gutted. I thought for a moment then we were basking in the light of a pro. I was really hoping that this colourful character had some domains to match his mouth, and was here to learn us some real domaining.

sorry to disappoint, but a bunch of 3 word .us, worthless geo .orgs, long tail coms, a splattering of cyrillic IDN (Ukranian by the looks of it). He did have one good Russian, but looks like he dropped it. Drew you now have it. I didn't get as far as decoding the pinyin; I'd seen enough already.

And mostly regged from 2003. I wish I was around in 2003, not sure I would have gone after IDN, in 2003 there were opportunities a plenty.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 08:42 PM
Our misfortune has clearly been to your benefit.

But what is really burning you is what you had not foreseen is that the your little party is all but over. I hope you made enough to pay for imminent retirement.

Not even close!
I didn't make dick shit in pinyin. I sure wish I had.
I was focused on other things.

The amusing thing here is the people who WERE focused on this and how abysmally incorrect they turned out to be. But there's always tomorrow, right? When the thing happens and that other thing happens and the thing and the thing get together to make the thing and all of a sudden, your thing works out?

Because that's what this dicktrain has been.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 08:45 PM
sorry to disappoint, but a bunch of 3 word .us, worthless geo .orgs, long tail coms, a splattering of cyrillic IDN (Ukranian by the looks of it). He did have one good Russian, but looks like he dropped it. Drew you now have it. I didn't get as far as decoding the pinyin; I'd seen enough already..

Yes. That's a totally accurate characterization of my portfolio, including the .us names I used to game Google for years and make a metric fuckload of money. Notice a 'pattern' in the 20 or so, mostly 2002 landrush registered .us names I happen to own? All mega high paying keywords. So far, you're seen what I bought at Godaddy auctions, Einstein, and the tiny handful of .us names I own and keep at Moniker, since they're cheapest. Even then, you completely fail to characterize it correctly.

And L.O.Fucking.L at 'worthless geo.orgs'.
You think city.orgs are "worthless"? You are comically bad at this. You line me up cities with certain demographics bang-on in .org, I'll take all you got, turd. Paid full, in cash.

Now look up the ones under "Whois Privacy Services Pty Ltd" and get back to us with what you find, Sherlock.


I didn't get as far as decoding the pinyin; I'd seen enough already..

Haha, you're a pathological liar, too.
I don't own a single pinyin name, yet you present yourself as if you were to the point of 'decoding' them.
Kinda pathetic there, sporto.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 08:53 PM
Notice a 'pattern' in those names? All mega high paying keywords. So far, you're seen what I bought at Godaddy auctions, Einstein, and even then, you completely fail to characterize it correctly.

Now look up the ones under "Whois Privacy Services Pty Ltd" and get back to us with what you find.



Haha, you're a pathological liar, too.
I don't own a single pinyin name, yet you present yourself as if you were to the point of 'decoding' them.
Kinda pathetic there, sporto.

Is it too early to reply, I see you edited again already.
Maybe it wasn't pinyin, all I saw was some vowel-less coms.

Pattern? yeah i see a pattern. I see shit domains. But yes all your good stuff is under privacy oh ok.
I also see another pattern. You think you're the 1st to come here shouting the odds? The pattern is everytime that person turns out to be a loser with a loser bunch of domains themselves.

If you want to show something of value, I'll clearly stfu, but all I see is shit domains, and a personality we've seen many times before. Not sure what it is about IDN, but it sure attracts the crazies.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 08:57 PM
Is it too early to reply, I see you edited again already.
Maybe it wasn't pinyin, all I saw was some vowel-less coms.

Pattern? yeah i see a pattern. I see shit domains. But yes all your good stuff is under privacy oh ok.
I also see another pattern. You think you're the 1st to come here shouting the odds? The pattern is everytime that person turns out to be a loser with a loser bunch of domains themselves.

If you want to show something of value, I'll clearly stfu, but all I see is shit domains, and a personality we've seen many times before. Not sure what it is about IDN, but it sure attracts the crazies.

You do not understand what a good name is, which is why you're here. It's why you say things like "worthless geo.orgs" for city.orgs or "A BUNCH OF THREE WORD .US" when the tiny crumbs of .us I own are essentially all landrush registered keywords with mountainous keyword bids.

Oh, of course, one of the IDN's I dropped, well, THAT was the 'good one'. The rest? Junk!

Anyway, waste of time trying to 'explain' this shit to you. As noted, your not understanding this shit is why you're here. It's par for the course, whenever someone feels wounded on a domain forum or blog, to hit domaintools and rustle up the bottom 10% of someones portfolio and cite it as being 'junk'. And even that bottom 10%? Better than the ENTIRETY of the portfolios- top to bottom- of many who post here. As noted, what you see there is essentially 100% Godaddy auctions or closeouts. It's not my main account. Its not even my 'secondary' account. It's my "godaddy auctions domains" account.

And I can definitely demonstrate some of the names I have under privacy, if you're willing to wager on it. But you won't be. Unless, of course, you are.

123
2nd September 2013, 09:02 PM
. And even that bottom 10%? Better than the ENTIRETY of the portfolios- top to bottom- of many who post here. :eek:

Rubber Duck
2nd September 2013, 09:03 PM
No you are not getting away with that.

You have been listening to Rick too long if you think a good name is subjective. It is not.

People use different metrics, but no metrics means it is shit.

You do not understand what a good name is, which is why you're here. It's why you say things like "worthless geo.orgs" for city.orgs or "A BUNCH OF THREE WORD .US" when the tiny crumbs of .us I own are essentially all landrush registered keywords with mountainous keyword bids.

Oh, of course, one of the IDN's I dropped, well, THAT was the 'good one'. The rest? Junk!

Anyway, waste of time trying to 'explain' this shit to you. As noted, your not understanding this shit is why you're here and it's par for the course, whenever someone feels wounded on a domain forum, to rustle up the bottom 10% of someones portfolio and cite it as being 'junk'. And even that bottom 10%? Better than the ENTIRETY of the portfolios- top to bottom- of many who post here.

And I can definitely demonstrate some of the names I have under privacy, if you're willing to wager on it. But you won't be. Unless, of course, you are.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 09:06 PM
People use different metrics, but no metrics means it is shit.

Nothing to 'get away' with.
We agree.

Of course, the only real 'brandable' type names I keep are e(keyword) stuff, I own a few random LLLL's, I have I think three or four 5 letter 'pronounceable' domains.

Excluding some of the e(Keywords) I've been picking off from a certain large holder who's letting them go, a dozen such names in total, perhaps? Out of over 1K. The drooler above cites those names as if it's some core sampling of what I own, then says ALL I SEE IS SHIT NAMES! as I sit here with my wallet open, perfectly willing to wager just how wrong he is.

I think I also have some 'personal use' names in that account, since those Godaddy .99 cent coupon codes are too good to pass up, to grab some names for development and eventual names. So, the times I have stuff like "BeachHomeDigest.com", it is not owned speculatively as a 'domainer' but may be owned for a project idea, purchased for a family member who has certain interests, etc.

Everything else is either industry/niche definitive (for example, lots of "CityMortgage.com's) or stands on its own two feet.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 09:07 PM
time out.

I'm in the middle of trying to find the admin setting to turn off the perpetual post edit, and you keep editing your posts. It's making reading that thread impossible, and you're putting so much effort into it.

can you just step away from the keyboard, please, give me 5 mins

DktoInc
2nd September 2013, 09:09 PM
http://kazanova.org.ua/style_emoticons/default/vv9.gif (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=klQwyfrPZMw9nM&tbnid=XX51B3gFYoQz-M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkazanova.org.ua%2Findex.php%3Fshowforum%3D13&ei=Xv4kUrr4Gu7K4AOhyYGwAg&psig=AFQjCNFcOMxIdPs9Grl8SYLhKg9qI8nWdg&ust=1378242519332581)

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 09:16 PM
time out.

I'm in the middle of trying to find the admin setting to turn off the perpetual post edit, and you keep editing your posts. It's making reading that thread impossible, and you're putting so much effort into it.

can you just step away from the keyboard, please, give me 5 mins

Sure, no problem.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 09:30 PM
Sure, no problem.

thanks, got distracted, back now.

So i changed the edit rule, and in around a week or so when you're gone, I'll change it back.

so where were we.

maybe I can summarise. We're all dicks because we didn't buy pinyin. And you didn't either. Oh yeah and you have some secret domain gold under privacy, but you are hiding it where nobody would look, under a pile of crap domains. Maybe there's more, but that's the gist of it I think.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 09:38 PM
Well, since I am coming into your house and calling you all stupid assholes, its entirely fair of you to question who the fuck I think I am. The problem is, you keep saying 'crap domains' and it just isn't true. You can chant it, but it ain't so.

Since apparently all you 'found' was the account I use to buy Godaddy auctions and coupon code domains, Here is "A" and "B" from that account.

Since apparently the only thing you've been able to 'dig up' is an account that is used solely to hold expiration auction names and the occasional .99 cent coupon code lets just sample A and B of what I have in there. I'll provide my reasoning for each domain.

ADVERTISINGWIZARDS.COM
I work in the advertising biz. This is a decent one to keep in my back pocket if I ever need to sideline consulting stuff. I consider this a personal name.

AGREIT.COM
Agricultural Real Estate Investment Trust.
Stay tuned on this one. It will be a gigantic 'told you so'. Thanks to a commodities trader friend for the inside line on this one.

AMERICORPSNCCC.COM
Registered this in 2003 when I was actually in Americorps NCCC.

ANEWYORKMINUTE.COM
Get offers on this one EVERY year.

ANIMATIONISLAND.COM
From time to time, I'm guilty of 'grandiose project' syndrome. We hire animators a lot, there's not much in the way of a place for them, this came up as a drop, sounded good and I bought it. Whether I actually get around to building and marketing it into anything meaningful to animators remains to be seen.

AUSTRINGERS.COM
A common term used in falconry. Owned because I also own Falconers.com (apparently, another crap domain, right?)

AUTOMOBILEUNIVERSE.COM
Again, offers EVERY year.

BAYSAINTLOUIS.ORG
I visited there, then bought this.

BEACHMETALDETECTOR.COM
BEACHMETALDETECTORS.COM
For part of the year, I live on the beach. I paid less for these than a decent beach metal detector costs. Earn parked, probably could make them earn more but haven't bothered.

BEHINDONMORTGAGE.COM
Keyword play. The sort of name you impulsively buy intending to do something with, but wind up needing to shit or get off the pot.

BENDIR.COM
A kind of drum. Kinda a sucker for names like this since I'm a hobbyist musician. So names like Guitarron.com or other esoteric instruments, I'll buy.

BIGFALLS.COM
A small town or a big brand. You pick.

BROKENARROWPROPERTY.COM
Domains like this require no explanation.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 09:43 PM
I don't quite know how to describe what just happened when I read your post.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 09:44 PM
So, that's A and B.
C-Z is mostly the same.

A lot of decent, very salable stuff drops at Godaddy.
I bought "MovieFanatic.com" there for a couple bucks and sold it for, well, I don't think the contract from NameRally lets me say. A lot. ;)

So, you ARE basking in the glow of a pro.
You just don't know what you're seeing since you've been living so long on monkey island.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 09:46 PM
I don't quite know how to describe what just happened when I read your post.

Probably some sort of cognitive dissonance resulting from sudden-onset realization that you totally suck at this.

Wanna compare Escrow.com transfers to see 'who' between us makes more cash with domain names?

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 09:48 PM
Oh, just to clarify one of those domains, though, since it may appear odd and a 'worthless domain' without the proper context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Arrow,_Oklahoma

squirrel
2nd September 2013, 10:05 PM
May I

http://whoisology.com/street1/303-b%20anastasia%20blvd%20no%202539?section=admin
http://whoisology.com/email/tortious1@gmail.com

alpha
2nd September 2013, 10:06 PM
I can honestly say, that I have a few English .coms, but nothing like your quality.

It's late here in the UK, and I'm still taking it all in. I'm sure the night shift will be along soon to give their appraisal.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 10:10 PM
May I

http://whoisology.com/street1/303-b%20anastasia%20blvd%20no%202539?section=admin
http://whoisology.com/email/tortious1@gmail.com

Have a ball.
I think about 1/2 of what you see there is dropped, bought to either flip and nobody bought (because I know how to cut a loser-you retards would renew forever) or some sort of keyword competition weakness relative to CPC.

You'd probably burst into tears if you ever looked up 245234545734523534534-2345@whoisprivacyservices.com.au

Just to note (AGAIN), there's a wager on the table for anyone who wants to take it.

123
2nd September 2013, 10:10 PM
AUSTRINGERS.COM
Owned because I also own Falconers.com (apparently, another crap domain, right?)

i think if you consider market, size reach etc. i think we could buy much better here daily for reg-fee. (essentially what people throw away)

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 10:14 PM
i think if you consider market, size reach etc. i think we could buy much better here daily for reg-fee. (essentially what people throw away)

But the problem is, the shit you buy in IDN, nobody gives a fuck about and you're reaching essentially one.

That little site gets about 3K UVs a month.
"Falconers" is taken net, org, info, biz, the word exists in a kajillion other websites. I think the original reg date on that one word .com was 97 or 98. The site was online since about 2000 or so, I don't recall. I bought the domain and site as a package.

Anyway, yes, you sincerely believe the garbage you register in IDN is better than Falconers.com, a one word .com registered in 1997.

That's the entirety of my point.

squirrel
2nd September 2013, 10:15 PM
I must say I appreciate the succinct description next to each domain.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 10:16 PM
Have a ball.
I think about 1/2 of what you see there is dropped, bought to either flip and nobody bought (because I know how to cut a loser-you retards would renew forever) or some sort of keyword competition weakness relative to CPC.

You'd probably burst into tears if you ever looked up 245234545734523534534-2345@whoisprivacyservices.com.au

Just to note (AGAIN), there's a wager on the table for anyone who wants to take it.

hey look, you need to drop the retard comment, it's just not nice. Do it again, and I'll ban you.

And anyway, we seem to be chatting now, laughing (well we are anyway, maybe you are too)

alpha
2nd September 2013, 10:19 PM
I must say I appreciate the succinct description next to each domain.

some people believe that if you have to explain a domain name to others, then it kind of misses the point. but it's nice he went to the trouble of explaining all of them, it saves you googling what some of them were.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 10:24 PM
hey look, you need to drop the retard comment, it's just not nice. Do it again, and I'll ban you.

Fine, I'll respect that.

To point out one other thing: The only reason falconers.com is even at GoDaddy is because about 2 years ago, they royally screwed up and allowed people to in-transfer up to 3 domains at 3.99 a year, but neglected to turn off the promotional rate for subsequent years.

It seemed too good to be true as I loaded three test names into my cart, 10 year renewals at $39 a piece. Falconers was one. I think Tarpons.com was another. They caught it before I could load up more.

So, the only reason Falconers.com is at Godaddy instead of 'elsewhere under privacy' is because of a freak opportunity that popped up one day. Safe to say, Falconers.com is closer to the sorts of names I keep 'over there' than what you're seeing in my Godaddy account that's essentially all $11 closeouts and .99 coupon codes.

DktoInc
2nd September 2013, 10:28 PM
hey look, you need to drop the retard comment, it's just not nice. Do it again, and I'll ban you.

And anyway, we seem to be chatting now, laughing (well we are anyway, maybe you are too)


Can we ban this loser and get the troll back? At least the troll was making good points without the insults while being far more useful. He had his feet in cement for more then 3 month now.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 10:29 PM
some people believe that if you have to explain a domain name to others, then it kind of misses the point. but it's nice he went to the trouble of explaining all of them, it saves you googling what some of them were.

It's just proof of what I've always said.

A great domainer will be a great Jeopardy player.
He will retain knowledge about many esoteric things, industries, interests and use it to his advantage when certain names come up.

I didn't need to google any of them when I bought them. I knew what they were instantly.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 10:32 PM
Can we ban this loser and get the troll back? At least the troll was making good points without the insults while being far more useful. He had his feet in cement for more then 3 month now.

Amusing to see you squealing to mother, but I will say one thing.

All sparring aside, I actually kinda respect the fact that they've had the ballsack to endure me for this long.

Pathetic positions cannot withstand any scrutiny whatsoever, which is why believers demand silence. It does speak somewhat to the confidence of IDN Domainers when they can let someone come in with a chainsaw and not worry about their entire belief system being felled.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 10:47 PM
Amusing to see you squealing to mother, but I will say one thing.

Don't be so hard. We tend to conduct flamboyant executions here, you can't blame the cry for blood, it's usually quite entertaining. And anyway, we both know it's inevitable.

All sparring aside, I actually kinda respect the fact that they've had the ballsack to endure me for this long.

and let me return that compliment, kudos to you for having the balls to post a list of domains the majority of which you might see in a namepros noob appraisal thread.

Pathetic positions cannot withstand any scrutiny whatsoever, which is why believers demand silence. It does speak somewhat to the confidence of IDN Domainers when they can let someone come in with a chainsaw and not worry about their entire belief system being felled.

Thing is, your chainsaw is blunt. I'm still waiting, for you to tell us all why IDNs suck. You almost had me at pinyin until you disclosed you didn't have any. I can't see the problem in revenue generating domains, IDN or otherwise.

DktoInc
2nd September 2013, 10:52 PM
Amusing to see you squealing to mother, but I will say one thing.

All sparring aside, I actually kinda respect the fact that they've had the ballsack to endure me for this long.



that's loser talk for "i just got raped" and now i want to be friends.

Drewbert
2nd September 2013, 10:54 PM
Oh, of course, one of the IDN's I dropped, well, THAT was the 'good one'. The rest? Junk!



I guess that means that there is at least two of us (hi Edwin!) here that are astute investors?

alpha
2nd September 2013, 11:03 PM
I guess that means that there is at least two of us (hi Edwin!) here that are astute investors?

It was a Russian Poker domain I think. Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you picked it up in '09

Drewbert
2nd September 2013, 11:04 PM
But the problem is, the shit you buy in IDN, nobody gives a fuck about and you're reaching essentially one.

That little site gets about 3K UVs a month.
"Falconers" is taken net, org, info, biz, the word exists in a kajillion other websites. I think the original reg date on that one word .com was 97 or 98. The site was online since about 2000 or so, I don't recall. I bought the domain and site as a package.

Anyway, yes, you sincerely believe the garbage you register in IDN is better than Falconers.com, a one word .com registered in 1997.

That's the entirety of my point.

Well, if thats the case, then I think you lose, as there are plenty of IDN's out there that get over 3k UV's a month and are taken in every TLD they're available in.

I'm not saying you don't have some good ASCII names, but I think your anger is misplaced. You appear to be heavily invested in one market (English) and completely ignorant of the fact that most countries in that market are on the verge of an economic meltdown.

I really don't think coming in here and calling people - who have spread their investment portfolio across a large number of languages - retarded is doing you any favours in the "who is the most retarded" contest.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 11:05 PM
Ugh. Did you really have to do the whole 'multiquote' thing which now means I have to multiquote back and then you multiquote back until its an intelligible mess of tangents and nonsense?


and let me return that compliment, kudos to you for having the balls to post a list of domains the majority of which you might see in a namepros noob appraisal thread.

Again, I will reiterate. I seriously question your ability to appraise the relative quality of a domain name, especially when it gets out of the 'obvious' and into trickier territory.

See, we all know that Cash.com is good.
Doesn't take a genius to know that it would be nice to own eCash.com.
Where most 'mediocre minds' disembark is the next level down, where they usually fail abysmally, or just utterly don't comprehend the game they're playing.

A name like "CashIsKing.com", most people would know that's a great name, but you'd probably be surprised at how many 'domainers' wouldn't know that. A name like "CashShack.com"? Names like that have a MASSIVELY positive expectation, yet they're categorized as 'junk' by people who suck at this. The thing is, the difference between "CashShack.com" and "CashShacks.com" is an ocean, yet to some, they're the same thing.

I read, comprehend and strategically write words for a living. Words are my business but more importantly, how words relate to businesses is my business. I'm confident this odd intelligence type is why I succeed at this while any number of failures see a 'certain type' of domain, think its junk when its really money in the bank at $11.

Since I mentioned this one already, how about you guess how much I sold MovieFanatic.com for?

Thing is, your chainsaw is blunt. I'm still waiting, for you to tell us all why IDNs suck. You almost had me at pinyin until you disclosed you didn't have any. I can't see the problem in revenue generating domains, IDN or otherwise.

Haha, wow.

So, let me see if I got this straight. You were with me on pinyin until I objectively admitted that I missed the boat too, then you went back? The whole point is I haven't been an "IDN Domainer" (save for a few crumbs) like the rest of you have been and presently are; this community has been a bloodbath of failure when it should've been first on scene with pinyin, or, at least HEDGED into pinyin. It's OK that I and others in the mainstream game missed out on pinyin, however there is no reasonable excuse for this group to have missed out on it, other than suffering from the intellectual hazard of mantras and mindless beliefs.

You're making me repeat myself now. I know a conversation like this is probably hard for someone like yourself but do your best to keep up.

There is nothing wrong with revenue generating domains, IDN or otherwise. In this context, though, you citing that would be a textbook definition of a "red herring".

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 11:12 PM
It was a Russian Poker domain I think. Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you picked it up in '09

I'm racking my mind to think of what poker domains I may have dropped.
I'm pretty sure those are the ones I distinctly did not drop but I may be wrong.

I actually owe someone here a case of their favorite beverage, who gave me a courtesy heads up on- it was either Рейкбек or рейкбэк - when it expired, giving me the matched pair, to wait and see which one standardizes (an issue that seems to have settled itself)

Also, Покеронлайн did make me weep with joy like a child who got a pony on Christmas Morning.

If you want to accuse me of some sort of huge failure, it's not doing anything meaningful with the handful of IDNs I do own, given the affiliate types that are out there.

alpha
2nd September 2013, 11:15 PM
I'm going to give it one last go. No quotes, multi or otherwise. If you don't get where I am coming from, then so be it.

There have been people coming in here for years, saying pinyin is this and that. I haven't seen any evidence over the years that I should pick up a shovel and dig that mine. In fact I made a conscious decision to avoid anything Chinese. The GFW, the politics, domains being taken by the govt, but mainly ads that pay nothing. Nope, Chinese is not for me.

What I did do is buy a bunch of stuff in other languages that more than covers renewals and some. Will the day arrive when that "and some" multiplies? Maybe, but the point is, it's in the black today already, and that's more than you can say for a lot of the pure play ascii domainers.

So round we go again. Remind me what was your point again?

Avtal
2nd September 2013, 11:19 PM
Now that the conversation has gotten (I think) a bit calmer, let me ask a question. Nothing to do with IDNs, by the way.

Unlike some of the people here, I have almost no experience in ascii domaining, and it sounds like you have quite a bit.

So (using hindsight here), if you were starting out in ascii domaining in 2009, that is, you have a wad of money, no domains, and a wise friend to keep you from making dumb mistakes, and you have access to the same information as everyone else at that time, what would have been the most profitable approach? And what information would you have used to come up with that approach?

I can see from your previous replies that you think that it helps to have a good intuition for words, and the random/esoteric knowledge of a Jeopardy player. Anything else?

Avtal

Drewbert
2nd September 2013, 11:20 PM
If you want to accuse me of some sort of huge failure, it's not doing anything meaningful with the handful of IDNs I do own, given the affiliate types that are out there.

So you're basing everything on short term revenue potential?

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 11:35 PM
So (using hindsight here), if you were starting out in ascii domaining in 2009, that is, you have a wad of money, no domains, and a wise friend to keep you from making dumb mistakes, and you have access to the same information as everyone else at that time, what would have been the most profitable approach? And what information would you have used to come up with that approach?

Tough question.

2009-2011 was an aftermarket and drop goldrush. It hasn't been 'written about' or talked about much, but let there be no doubt, it was a bonanza. The economy was in the shitter, people were terrified and certain large portfolio holders were shitting their pants as parking continued its deathspiral.

On the drops, 2010 wasn't like the 2000-2001 drops where you'd get Chairs.com, but you'd see stuff like "FurnitureWorld.com" get culled from parking portfolios since they weren't earning yet were enormously desirable from a speculative or flipping standpoint.

That was probably the last time, save for extraordinarily talented people at the tippy-top levels of the game (Merlin Kauffman, for example), when Regular Joe with slightly above average intelligence levels could've gotten his foot in the domaining door in such a way that gave them passive income or enough inventory to live comfortably off of for a while, or to just increase their lot.

I guess the short answer to your question is: winning at domaining is always about knowing what words to buy. We crossed the threshold of peak .com speculation in 2004'ish but weird opportunities arise.

So, to start now? Try to steal something for $1K-$5K, but only spend four figures or more on a domain AFTER you've proven that you can profitably maintain a portfolio of lesser quality names.

There's an old gag saying in poker...
"Should I move up to where they respect my raises?"
The fallacy there is that of a a shitty poker player who believes he's losing money because when he raises, the 'worse' players aren't folding and that he'd be better off if he drastically raised stakes, because those players would 'respect' his raises and let him take down the pot.

Speculative domaining in the year 2013, you have to first prove that you can beat $11 domains or .99 cent coupon code domains before even considering trying to beat $3000 domains. Once you've gotten to the right point on the learning curve, you'll know. Your bank account will tell you. Beware, though, the perpetual failures that seem to infest forums. For example, Namepros has people who've been doing this for a DECADE OR MORE yet couldn't turn a dollar in this game if their life depended on it.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 11:41 PM
So you're basing everything on short term revenue potential?

The conundrum there isn't between short and long term revenue potential. It was between doing nothing that made little money versus doing something that could've (and probably still can) make a shitload of money.

When I say "shitload", I don't mean $50 a month in parking, or enough to buy a new Honda Civic at the end of the year or a splurge on an arriviste watch.

I mean legit cash-a-roo that 99.9% of the people on this forum would trade in every single domain they owned- IDN or otherwise- in exchange for that kind of passive income.

THAT is a wound you can rub salt in, if you're so inclined.
Protip: The opportunities still available to you guys in IDN will be best understood by those who best understand affiliate partnerships. The rest? Monkeys and darts.

Hegewisch
2nd September 2013, 11:52 PM
that's loser talk for "i just got raped" and now i want to be friends.

That you raped me with your plea to the moderator to ban me and I somehow wanted to be your friend?

That's some killer insight you got going there, Holmes. I'm sure the rest of your life will be a garden of opportunity and lucre with a mind like that.

Avtal
3rd September 2013, 12:01 AM
Thanks. Sounds like 2010 was a year of good opportunities, if you had cash available, knew what you were doing, and were confident that the economy would recover.

So what monetization strategies tend to work best? For passive income, you mention affiliates, which I assume you prefer to PPC? And am I right in thinking that by "affiliate partnerships", you mean actually going out and finding partners, rather than just using an existing affiliate program? Also, do you rely on type-ins, or try to get your pages ranked in the search engines?

If you don't mind my being nosy, what percentage of your yearly revenue comes from passive income (affiliates etc) versus selling your domains?

A lot of questions, I realize.

Avtal

P.S. What's up with you and Congressman Henry Waxman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Waxman)?

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 12:01 AM
I mean legit cash-a-roo that 99.9% of the people on this forum would trade in every single domain they owned- IDN or otherwise- in exchange for that kind of passive income.


OK. Remember that the percentage is 99.9% rather than 100% when you throw the "retards" comments around, Bucko*.

* Not inferring that you're Bucko, but I do miss him.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:27 AM
Thanks. Sounds like 2010 was a year of good opportunities, if you had cash available, knew what you were doing, and were confident that the economy would recover.

So what monetization strategies tend to work best? For passive income, you mention affiliates, which I assume you prefer to PPC? And am I right in thinking that by "affiliate partnerships", you mean actually going out and finding partners, rather than just using an existing affiliate program? Also, do you rely on type-ins, or try to get your pages ranked in the search engines?

If you don't mind my being nosy, what percentage of your yearly revenue comes from passive income (affiliates etc) versus selling your domains?

A lot of questions, I realize.

Avtal

P.S. What's up with you and Congressman Henry Waxman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Waxman)?

Yes, 2010 was a great year for gravedancers not only in domaining but in other places. 2010 bank owned Real Estate? Fuck.... Just, fuck....

I categorize domains differently. Some are bought to flip. If they don't flip, I drop them. I usually stick to .com in these, but have found an odd, intuitive acceptance for .us among American buyers when the keyword defines their entire industry, so I've owned a few of those, too.

I don't park my domains. I consider it a huge liability. My model isn't based on the 'bulk up and park' strategy so popular in the early 00's. Yes, it relies on sales, but again, category dependent.

Lets say "A" category domains are names I buy cheap to actively flip to someone who's already paying for that keyword in Google (OOPS! Did I just let a secret out and teach the monkeys how to make fire??)

Lets say "B" category names are speculative names that make for a very sound basis for an online brand, which I understand since I work with this shit day in, day out and know what companies want in an identity.

"e" as a prefix is as outdated as ".com" is as a suffix. I own a few of those and have been in quiet acquisition mode since a large portfolio holder of them has been letting them all go regardless of quality. These, you have to be able to go long with, renew year after year. Also, you really need to stick to big keywords- the kind of keywords that if you took away the "e", that word is taken in every TLD, down the list.

Category "C" names are light scale development keyword plays, but, although once a veritable fountain of cash, that game ate a twenty inch aidscock in the past couple years, so I punted on most of these but still have a few.

Category "D" names, lets say these are my personally owned names. They're not owned to sell, they're owned because they're the address of my house or my city.org that I live in or eMyName.com... Perhaps I'm interested in building furniture, I may own a domain like ChicagoFurnitureBuilder.com that isn't for the benefit of speculative domaining.

Some of them are personal names but are still huge keywords.
For example, I own the .com of TechnicalDiving because I'mvery interested in technical diving. (Even though it has an ancient site that came with it, I consider it a domain only.) To be sure, poor Alpha will have to run off to Google to look it up and see what it means and on that basis, declare it a shitty "longtail domain" but if any of you are avid Scuba enthusiasts, you probably just shit your pants when I told you I owned TechnicalDiving.com.

It's kind of a big deal.
It's also a gigantic disgrace that I own a name like that yet am not doing dick with it. I have a few 'Category D' names that are just for my own use or amusement but are otherwise very valuable... of course, everything has its price.


Category "E" domains are my "Fuck you, pay me" domains. I don't actively market them, they get regular inquiries from clueless people bearing pathetic offers... but when the right one comes along, I'll know.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:31 AM
Oh, and Waxman.

I had Waxman as my avatar because nothing in this world- no comedian, no TV show or movie, no hilarious real life situation- has ever made me laugh harder than how I laughed the first time I saw his face.

IdnHost
3rd September 2013, 01:33 AM
Can you please fast forward to the part about how you make more money with your list of mentioned ascii names, your .us names and whatever else domains you own, then we do with our idns? Do enlighten us with your wisdom :)

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:41 AM
Can you please fast forward to the part about how you make more money with your list of mentioned ascii names, your .us names and whatever else domains you own, then we do with our idns? Do enlighten us with your wisdom :)

Not much of a 'reader', eh?

Rockruler
3rd September 2013, 01:55 AM
So... after all this. What is your point?

Oh right, you're in advertising. Now I understand.

IdnHost
3rd September 2013, 01:58 AM
I read fine. How about instead of diverting my question with smart ass remark you instead attempt to provide a logical answer to this straight simple question.
So here we go again: Please provide an explanation of how exactly it is that you make more money with your set of ascii domains then idn forum members make with their idns?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 02:33 AM
I read fine.

No, apparently, you do not.
Late guy comes late to thread, asks questions already answered.
Its not a 'diversion' as much as it's just the of a coming a point when you can't hold everyone's hand at once.

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 02:51 AM
No, apparently, you do not.
Late guy comes late to thread, asks questions already answered.
Its not a 'diversion' as much as it's just the of a coming a point when you can't hold everyone's hand at once.

Listen guy,

I'm ready to bet. I'm willing to bet I have a single IDN that out-performs any and all of your ascii domains listed in this thread in both visitors and revenue.

I'm willing to submit my parking/revenue information to any mod here or any escrow you choose.

The bet: I have a single idn that gets more visitors and revenue than all your ascii listed in the few posts before this one.

I'll donate all my parking revenue to you for a year if you win. If you lose I get paid 5k USD for my troubles. Ready?

Please escrow your money when ready.

Cheers.

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 02:53 AM
Money talks and bullshit walks... keep chirping shit-stain.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 02:55 AM
Listen guy,

I'm ready to bet. I'm willing to bet I have a single IDN that out-performs any and all of your ascii domains listed in this thread in both visitors and revenue.

I'm willing to submit my parking/revenue information to any mod here or any escrow you choose.

The bet: I have a single idn that gets more visitors and revenue than all your ascii listed in the few posts before this one.

I'll donate all my parking revenue to you for a year if you win. If you lose I get paid 5k USD for my troubles. Ready?

Please escrow your money when ready.

Cheers.

WOW!
WHAT A CHALLENGE!
A BET THAT YOU HAVE AN IDN NAME THAT GETS MORE VISITORS THAN THE TINY HANDFUL OF GODADDY CLOSEOUTS THAT ARE POSTED IN THIS THREAD!!!

YOU HAVE MAKE YOUR POINT CLEARLY, SIR!
I BOW TO YOUR CLEARLY SUPERIOR POSITION!!!!!

Chimp.

I am, however, willing to wager I make considerably more money at this overall than you do.
Lets bang out those terms.

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 02:57 AM
WOW!
WHAT A CHALLENGE!
A BET THAT YOU HAVE AN IDN NAME THAT GETS MORE VISITORS THAN THE TINY HANDFUL OF GODADDY CLOSEOUTS THAT ARE POSTED IN THIS THREAD!!!

YOU HAVE MAKE YOUR POINT CLEARLY, SIR!
I BOW TO YOUR CLEARLY SUPERIOR POSITION!!!!!

Chimp.

So you won't take my bet. Okay how about this. I'll bet you a single IDN to all your ASCII you can prove are yours. Simple. I bet one to all yours. The only thing you need to prove is they are yours. I can do the same with mine.

Ready?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 02:59 AM
So you won't take my bet. Okay how about this. I'll bet you a single IDN to all your ASCII you can prove are yours. Simple. I bet one to all yours. The only thing you need to prove is they are yours. I can do the same with mine.

Ready?

The terms of your first bet are fucking stupid.

This latter bet, I'm reading over and over and over again and can't make heads or tails of it.

The much easier, simpler bet is who makes more verifiable money at this and considering I don't even park, you have an instant handicap.

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 02:59 AM
So are you ready to put your money where your mouth is?

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 03:00 AM
The terms of your first bet are fucking stupid.

This latter bet, I'm reading over and over and over again and can't make heads or tails of it.

The much easier, simpler bet is who makes more verifiable money at this and considering I don't even park, you have an instant handicap.


So all of your ascii wont beat a single IDN I own? I knew it.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:02 AM
So all of your ascii wont beat a single IDN I own? I knew it.

At parking?
You're coming in challenging someone who doesn't park his domain names that you can win a parking contest?

Are you seriously thinking this is demonstrative of something, or are you just having a stroke and suffering some kind of strange brain death as you type?

The bet couldn't be more clear.
Whoever makes more VERIFIABLE money at this.

THIS, you will shirk away from and continue to propose laughable bets that are tailored for whatever it is that you do.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:04 AM
C'mon fella.
Tick tock.

I notice the real time posts are falling silent now...

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 03:06 AM
At parking?
You're coming in challenging someone who doesn't park his domain names that you can win a parking contest?

Are you seriously thinking this is demonstrative of something, or are you just having a stroke and suffering some kind of strange brain death as you type?

The bet couldn't be more clear.
Whoever makes more money at this.

THIS, you will shirk away from and continue to propose laughable bets that are tailored for whatever it is that you do.

Listen stupid, really I can't explain it any more simply nor can I fix stupid.

I have a single IDN that will outperform all of your ascii combined. I'm willing to bet $5k on it. Are you ready to put up or be a little bitch? Keep chirping.

It's really simple retard. Once more. I have a single IDN that out performs all of your ascii combined. I bet a year revenue.

Are you ready?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:07 AM
Listen stupid, really I can't explain it any more simply nor can I fix stupid.

I have a single IDN that will outperform all of your ascii combined. I'm willing to bet $5k on it. Are you ready to put up or be a little bitch? Keep chirping.

It's really simple retard. Once more. I have a single IDN that out performs all of your ascii combined. I bet a year revenue.

Are you ready?

Does 'outperform' include working businesses on domains I've purchased? Or are you still babbling about parking?

Notice how the simplest, most obvious wager to settle this entire matter- the one I propose- is the one you will not take.

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 03:08 AM
Does 'outperform' include working businesses on domains I've purchased? Or are you still babbling about parking?

Notice how the simplest, most obvious wager to settle this entire matter- the one I propose- is the one you will not take.

All provable revenue vs. a single IDN revenue.

Can I make it more simple retard or to I dumb it down more for you?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:12 AM
All provable revenue vs. a single IDN revenue.

Can I make it more simple retard or to I dumb it down more for you?

You can make it much simpler by answering the questions.

Are you talking parking only? Or are you saying that your one IDN makes parked what I make in the entire domain and development game?

Because if its the latter, send me a PM so we can start banging out the terms and getting things underway.

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 03:14 AM
so we went from domaining to dev

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 03:15 AM
You can make it much simpler by answering the questions.

Are you talking parking only? Or are you saying that your one IDN makes parked what I make in the entire domain and development game?

Because if its the latter, send me a PM so we can start banging out the terms and getting things underway.

ALL PROVABLE INCOME. BOTH.

Regarding your last sentence. I want this in the open and my independent parties. There will be no pm. Either you produce in public or shut the fuck up. Simple?!

I would think.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:17 AM
so we went from domaining to dev

It hasn't yet been determined just what we've gone from or come to.

If he's talking parking, then no. I wouldn't make that bet since I don't think I even have an active parking account. As noted, I do not buy domains for 'parking'.

If he's willing to bet his one parked IDN against the entirety of my domain ownership footprint, as noted. Send me that PM. I don't want to leave you any wriggle room whatsoever when settlement time comes.

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 03:20 AM
It hasn't yet been determined just what we've gone from or come to.

If he's talking parking, then no. I wouldn't make that bet since I don't think I even have an active parking account. As noted, I do not buy domains for 'parking'.

If he's willing to bet his one parked IDN against the entirety of my domain ownership footprint, as noted. Send me that PM. I don't want to leave you any wriggle room whatsoever when settlement time comes.

See this piece of dog excrement wont put his money where his mouth is. I'm through.

Lucky you though racist. Normally I stay quiet here and don't post. Just thought I'd make a point and I've made it. Pussy.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:23 AM
See this piece of dog excrement wont put his money where his mouth is. I'm through.

Lucky you though racist. Normally I stay quiet here and don't post. Just thought I'd make a point and I've made it. Pussy.

This is like a basketball player walking up to a boxer and saying I AM A BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYER THAN YOU!

He's challenging a parking contest to a person who's said openly that he doesn't park his domains, but he WILL NOT accept a wager about who makes more verifiable incomes from domaining interests, sales, etc.

The basketball player proves nothing when he challenges a boxer to a basketball game. The boxer proves nothing if he challenges the basketball player to a fight.

Now, if you want to know who makes more money from their chosen sport, THAT is a question that makes sense... and one that you won't answer.

... and 'racist'? Holy desperation, Batman.

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 03:30 AM
You can make it much simpler by answering the questions.

Are you talking parking only? Or are you saying that your one IDN makes parked what I make in the entire domain and development game?

Because if its the latter, send me a PM so we can start banging out the terms and getting things underway.

I think Sarcle said "provable revenue"....(I take that to be parking, affiliate, adsense etc combined.) His 1 IDN, vs. YOUR TOTAL ASCII PORTFOLIO.

You said: If he's willing to bet his one parked IDN against the entirety of my domain ownership footprint, as noted.

I think you are getting on the same page.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:34 AM
I think Sarcle said "provable revenue"....(I take that to be parking, affiliate, adsense etc combined.) His 1 IDN, vs. YOUR TOTAL ASCII PORTFOLIO.

You said: If he's willing to bet his one parked IDN against the entirety of my domain ownership footprint, as noted.

I think you are getting on the same page.

Perhaps we're getting close, but I generate most of my money from sales, so it's still a stupid bet; to bet someone who makes his money from parking domains to a contest to see who makes the most money parking domains.

I will wager him that same $5K, escrowed, that I can demonstrate I've sold a single domain for more than he's sold a single domain for, lifetime.

Or this year. But, that may not be a fair bet, since he may not generate his revenue from sales. See how that works? He doesn't.

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 03:35 AM
I'd like to offer you a bet too, simple and straightforward.

I will bet you $1,000 that I have 1 IDN.com that got more traffic in one year (January to December 2012) than your top 25 ASCII DOMAINS COMBINED in the same period.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:38 AM
Are you talking parked domains, or operating websites? Because if we're STILL belaboring parking, then sorry. Back to that 'retard' word again.

You would definitely be shocked what stuff like this (www.fingerstyleguitarists.com) hauls in, in spite of being totally non profit.

So, if you're talking 25 domains I own including websites, I accept your wager.
Send me a PM so we can bang out terms.

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 03:41 AM
Perhaps we're getting close, but I generate most of my money from sales, so it's still a stupid bet; to bet someone who makes his money from parking domains to a contest to see who makes the most money parking domains.

I will wager him that same $5K, escrowed, that I can demonstrate I've sold a single domain for more than he's sold a single domain for, lifetime.

Or this year. But, that may not be a fair bet, since he may not generate his revenue from sales. See how that works? He doesn't.

Let's try again...keeping the "sales" out of the equation.

ALL YOUR PROVABLE ASCII REVENUE (EXCLUDING SALES) VS. HIS PROVABLE REVENUE ON HIS 1 IDN.

Simple enough?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:44 AM
Let's try again...keeping the "sales" out of the equation.

ALL YOUR PROVABLE ASCII REVENUE (EXCLUDING SALES) VS. HIS PROVABLE REVENUE ON HIS 1 IDN.

Simple enough?

Sure.
Dead simple.
No chance I take that bet.
Sales are where the VAST majority of my domaining revenues come from. The fact that you bonobos even propose this asinine bullshit after the conversation we've been having for the past two days is positively amazing.

If we're counting sales and websites, I accept all bets. I have fractional ownership in a few, so I suppose we'd judge my equity stake and the traffic as a proportional representation.

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 03:46 AM
You would definitely be shocked what stuff like this (www.fingerstyleguitarists.com) hauls in, in spite of being totally non profit.
.

fingerstyleguitarists.com hasn't quite hit the radar it appears:

Alexa Traffic Rank: 7,801,760 No regional data

But go ahead and 'shock us' with the traffic data.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:48 AM
fingerstyleguitarists.com hasn't quite hit the radar it appears:

Alexa Traffic Rank: 7,801,760 No regional data

I love how you proudly cite Alexa.
Proof that you have absolute zero experience with operating a website.

They are INCREDIBLY bad below the top 10k.

Also, all this talking out your ass is getting tiring. Lets get this wager underway, presuming websites count.
No worries! Alexa's got your back!~

Avtal
3rd September 2013, 03:57 AM
At the risk of getting trampled by basketball players and boxers, I'll make a prediction. But I'm not proposing a bet.

Prediction: In 2014, .ком will go live. That is, you, as the owner of покеронлайн.com, will be able (if your registrar is competent) to register покеронлайн.ком, for about $10. And the whole toolchain will just work. In other words, anyone anywhere in the world (if they are running a browser more modern than IE 6) who types покеронлайн.ком in their browser bar will go to a site controlled by you.

Predictions I'm not making: When in 2014 this will happen. What the market value of and the traffic to покеронлайн.ком will be. How the value and traffic will compare to покеронлайн.рф.

Something I'm not predicting, but watching with interest: The effect of the new ascii gTLDs on the value of ascii .com domains. I see a bunch of ascii domainers dancing in circles and chanting "Dot-com is king, dot-com is king", but I detect a note of desperation.

Avtal

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 04:02 AM
Something I'm not predicting, but watching with interest: The effect of the new ascii gTLDs on the value of ascii .com domains. I see a bunch of ascii domainers dancing in circles and chanting "Dot-com is king, dot-com is king", but I detect a note of desperation.

Avtal

Maybe instead of all this eDick waving, we should focus on the stuff we agree on.

What Avtal typed right there, I agree with.
I think opening up the right of the dot allows very intriguing possibilities for countries to forge completely new namespace identities in totally native languages that, unlike 'vanity TLDs' in ascii, will actually become relevant over time and see heavy adoption. In those countries, it may obsolesce .com (or aliased.com). However long it takes, who knows, but it's not hard to see that happening.

I should probably start formulating a buy strategy for this, since I agree this will probably be a big deal.

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 04:07 AM
Also, all this talking out your ass is getting tiring. Lets get this wager underway, presuming websites count. No worries! Alexa's got your back!~

GAME ON!
1 IDN vs. 25 OF YOUR TOP ASCII.
I accept your bet including your websites. Unique Visitors, legit traffic. The challenge is you playing fair. So pick your 25 domain names AND websites you want in the bet and either make a small change to the "who.is" (tonight please, so there is no funny business) and list them here publically on this thread (or PM them to me). Don't need you borrowing any domains.... not that your not the trustworthy sort. My domain has been parked at the same place for the last 18 months so that's pretty easy.

Bet is $1,000.00 USD. Escrow.com to hold funds, period of measurement January 1, 2012, to December 31, 2012. Agreed?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 04:12 AM
I accept your bet including your websites. The challenge is you playing fair. So pick your 25 domain names AND websites you want in the bet and either make a small change to the "who.is" (tonight please, so there is no funny business) and list them here publically on this thread. Don't need you borrowing any domains.... not that your not the trustworthy sort.

Sorry, Amigo. There's stuff we need to clarify so shoot me a PM. It's too easy for fakery and bullshit to make its way into the equation, so its important we establish how facts will be established.

"A moderator" isn't good enough for escrow and frankly, I'm way too tired tonight to do much of anything this evening but just to be clear, if you're saying you have 1 IDN undeveloped domain that gets more traffic than every website I own and you're willing to wager $1000 to that effect, I accept your bet, we have details to get hashed out so lets get this done.

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 04:17 AM
Traffic figures are so easily gamed Bill, I wouldn't place that bet

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 04:18 AM
edit: I see the period of reference is 2012, so perhaps it's less of a concern

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 04:21 AM
Because traffic wasn't gamable in 2012?

I've sent him a PM. A bet of this nature has a shitload of leaks to close up before it proceeds. He seems like a reasonable enough guy. Its not the money I'll enjoy.

It's the embarrassment.

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 04:22 AM
No, simply future 'traffic' will not be counted

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 04:23 AM
It's the embarrassment.

You've done quite well so far by my standards

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 04:27 AM
No, simply future 'traffic' will not be counted

Correct. I agree to his time frame.

As noted, I've sent a PM.
The details are what they are and they cannot go unaddressed. If we hit an impasse over details, oh well but that must be one ungodly IDN he owns if for this to turn out to be anything other than a massive humiliation on his end.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 04:32 AM
if you're saying you have 1 IDN undeveloped domain that gets more traffic than every website I own and you're willing to wager $1000 to that effect, I accept your bet, we have details to get hashed out so lets get this done.

OOPS!
His criteria was any 25 domains or developed websites, not "every website I own".

Just to reiterate, I still accept.

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 04:38 AM
The bet means nothing quite frankly, regardless of who wins.

It will do nothing to change anybody's mind about anything. The traffic figures in question are just tiny data samples, unrepresentative of the bigger picture.

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 04:39 AM
OOPS!
His criteria was any 25 domains or developed websites, not "every website I own".
Just to reiterate, I still accept.

Just to clarify, in his PM he wants to include "websites he owns with partners"

NOT acceptable, that opens it up to the possibility of 'borrowing' websites from friends and claiming fractional ownership. These need to be domains and websites YOU own and are provable from Jan 1 to Dec 31, 2012.

Sheesh, its 25 ASCII vs. 1 IDN, can we proceed under those rules?

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 04:47 AM
What I take away from this thread is that Hege's revenue are for the most part sales/flips/rev dependent on dev of some sort, all of which in my book are not passive in nature.

Second, what Hege does and what we do is not the end-all be-all of domaining. There's a 100 ways of earning money with domain names. To that effect, any claims that one way is better than the other is subjective, so it's a dead end argument wise. Moreover, it's just faulty thinking to believe that one type of domainer is smarter than the other.

Third, I haven't learnt a useful thing from this super long thread. Useless.

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 04:55 AM
I am, however, willing to wager I make considerably more money at this overall than you do.

Woot. A penis size contest. That explains why Alpha's disappeared from the thread.

Since he swears too much to be this guy http://www.domainstate.com/industry-news-6/news-or-press-release-102334.html we'll have to go through the list of all the other domainers who've felt the need to unzip for dnjournal to prove their manhood.

sarcle
3rd September 2013, 04:58 AM
I haven't learnt a useful thing from this super long thread. Useless.

Oh yeah? Well that's 'cause you're a butthole, a loser, and retard. See thread title sir.

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 05:01 AM
Loser has to buy Bill a bottle of http://www.buyovalvodka.com/

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 05:06 AM
Oh yeah? Well that's 'cause you're a butthole, a loser, and retard. See thread title sir.

I didn't mean to step on your wager sarcle. Maybe you can get him to double down on traffic vs. traffic for your IDN domain.

That being said, seems that verifying 'legit' traffic on his web sites could be the 'sticky' point. Any suggestions from members?

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 05:17 AM
Third, I haven't learnt a useful thing from this super long thread. Useless.

I think we are getting to the bottom line:
1) There is still money to be made in ASCII
2) There is money to be made in Pinyans
3) There is traffic and money being made in IDNs.

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 05:17 AM
A penis size contest.

I heard this guy has a 10 inch dick

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 05:24 AM
I heard this guy has a 10 inch dick

but its in his ass and belongs to someone else

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 05:29 AM
As Alpha Drew and Sarcle all participated in this thread, I like my odds that at least one of them finds my joke to be mildly entertaining.:rolleyes:

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 06:43 AM
Sounds like the kind of shit that has been dropping left right and centre.

Random 4 Letter and Pronouncable 5 Letter? Give me a break. I would not even pay reg fee in a dot com. But I suppose they will be in that shit dot US extension you rabbit on about.

This side of the pond US is an abbreviation of Useless.

As for City Mortgage domains. We have invested a lot in services relating to cities. Good idea. I mean Hotels, Car Rentals, Real-Estate can draw specifici searches related to the location of interest. But Mortgages, who gives a fuck? With a mortguage, trust me, the only things that matter are size of Deposit, Repayments and Interests Rates. The Lender could be from Mars as far I am concerned. If I was depositing the money it might different.


Nothing to 'get away' with.
We agree.

Of course, the only real 'brandable' type names I keep are e(keyword) stuff, I own a few random LLLL's, I have I think three or four 5 letter 'pronounceable' domains.

Excluding some of the e(Keywords) I've been picking off from a certain large holder who's letting them go, a dozen such names in total, perhaps? Out of over 1K. The drooler above cites those names as if it's some core sampling of what I own, then says ALL I SEE IS SHIT NAMES! as I sit here with my wallet open, perfectly willing to wager just how wrong he is.

I think I also have some 'personal use' names in that account, since those Godaddy .99 cent coupon codes are too good to pass up, to grab some names for development and eventual names. So, the times I have stuff like "BeachHomeDigest.com", it is not owned speculatively as a 'domainer' but may be owned for a project idea, purchased for a family member who has certain interests, etc.

Everything else is either industry/niche definitive (for example, lots of "CityMortgage.com's) or stands on its own two feet.

123
3rd September 2013, 07:03 AM
Just to clarify, in his PM he wants to include "websites he owns with partners"

Most likely he will want to include Google.com because he owns a share of it.

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 07:20 AM
I can see why you are pissed!

Who the fuck were you listening to?

Well, since I am coming into your house and calling you all stupid assholes, its entirely fair of you to question who the fuck I think I am. The problem is, you keep saying 'crap domains' and it just isn't true. You can chant it, but it ain't so.

Since apparently all you 'found' was the account I use to buy Godaddy auctions and coupon code domains, Here is "A" and "B" from that account.

Since apparently the only thing you've been able to 'dig up' is an account that is used solely to hold expiration auction names and the occasional .99 cent coupon code lets just sample A and B of what I have in there. I'll provide my reasoning for each domain.

ADVERTISINGWIZARDS.COM
I work in the advertising biz. This is a decent one to keep in my back pocket if I ever need to sideline consulting stuff. I consider this a personal name.

AGREIT.COM
Agricultural Real Estate Investment Trust.
Stay tuned on this one. It will be a gigantic 'told you so'. Thanks to a commodities trader friend for the inside line on this one.

AMERICORPSNCCC.COM
Registered this in 2003 when I was actually in Americorps NCCC.

ANEWYORKMINUTE.COM
Get offers on this one EVERY year.

ANIMATIONISLAND.COM
From time to time, I'm guilty of 'grandiose project' syndrome. We hire animators a lot, there's not much in the way of a place for them, this came up as a drop, sounded good and I bought it. Whether I actually get around to building and marketing it into anything meaningful to animators remains to be seen.

AUSTRINGERS.COM
A common term used in falconry. Owned because I also own Falconers.com (apparently, another crap domain, right?)

AUTOMOBILEUNIVERSE.COM
Again, offers EVERY year.

BAYSAINTLOUIS.ORG
I visited there, then bought this.

BEACHMETALDETECTOR.COM
BEACHMETALDETECTORS.COM
For part of the year, I live on the beach. I paid less for these than a decent beach metal detector costs. Earn parked, probably could make them earn more but haven't bothered.

BEHINDONMORTGAGE.COM
Keyword play. The sort of name you impulsively buy intending to do something with, but wind up needing to shit or get off the pot.

BENDIR.COM
A kind of drum. Kinda a sucker for names like this since I'm a hobbyist musician. So names like Guitarron.com or other esoteric instruments, I'll buy.

BIGFALLS.COM
A small town or a big brand. You pick.

BROKENARROWPROPERTY.COM
Domains like this require no explanation.

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 07:28 AM
hey look, you need to drop the retard comment, it's just not nice. Do it again, and I'll ban you.

And anyway, we seem to be chatting now, laughing (well we are anyway, maybe you are too)

Leave him alone. He has probably been called that so many times that he thinks it is a normal polite form of address. Bit like Dobre Den.

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 07:35 AM
As Alpha Drew and Sarcle all participated in this thread, I like my odds that at least one of them finds my joke to be mildly entertaining.:rolleyes:

I found it mildly entertaining. Alpha found it mildly arousing. Sarcle?

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 07:37 AM
I can see why you are pissed!

Who the fuck were you listening to?

Actually, there's at least 5 there that I would register in a heartbeat without having to do any research.

DktoInc
3rd September 2013, 07:43 AM
That you raped me with your plea to the moderator to ban me and I somehow wanted to be your friend?

That's some killer insight you got going there, Holmes. I'm sure the rest of your life will be a garden of opportunity and lucre with a mind like that.

my plea to the moderator was to return someone who actually deserves to be here more than you. your case was more of a wolf pack gang bang situation. Kinda like watching Bambi, the adult version. where Bambi wonders off into the deep dark forrest all high on LSD hallucinating to be a big bad wolf......
Seriously though, I don't know about anyone else but you lost me at post #64.. i was just starting to enjoy the show and you had to go and ruin everything didn't you. well i guess at least you learned something today, other then crappy ebay quality names you've been renewing are a total waist of time, the point being made here was that it hurts less if you buy a large can of vaginal cream when enrolling yourself on an adventure of this kind.

123
3rd September 2013, 07:46 AM
I can see why you are pissed!

Who the fuck were you listening to?

Since this discussion started on a certain blog one can imagine who he is listening to.

From the information that he gave us i would say that he mostly makes money from flipping far less than mediocre domain námes not parking maybe some from developing but i am not sure about that, if he did why would he cite an 7-8 Million Alexa site as an example of quality and then blame it on Alexa?

Making short-term money from flipping and developing it, that is all fine and OK.

What i don't understand, is the hostility towards IDNers who follow a different strategy than he does and this sense of superiority.

alpha
3rd September 2013, 07:55 AM
Actually, there's at least 5 there that I would register in a heartbeat without having to do any research.

So 5 out of 13 are worth >$11, and 8 are not.

Take into account the years of renewal fees and zero parking revenue. Sorry, still looks like a desperate namepros thread to me. We can all buy money losing lottery tickets and hope we one day get a winner.

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 08:47 AM
Actually, there's at least 5 there that I would register in a heartbeat without having to do any research.

Maybe, but I probably dumped better ones when I committed 100% to the IDN market. However, I have picked up a few ASCII since. Not because I made a decision to go back into ASCII but I was not so indoctrinated that I would turn down a good name simply because it had no special characters.

domainguru
3rd September 2013, 10:29 AM
As expected, on precise railroad time, a tsunami of whinging stupidity and babbling tangents occurred between the previous post and this one.

Promptly disregarding the extra-chromosome droolers wandering around prattling something about my 'not making a point' or 'having no argument'. The point I'm making is right there for all to see but you're either too fucking dumb or just too entranced by your own mantra chanting to comprehend anything that isn't in harmony.

The ONLY souls among you who have a shred of hope (and I do mean 'hope' which is a distinctly different thing than 'likelihood) are those who've taken the time to, at the bare ass minimum, acknowledge reality. People like ChrisOfMel. One needn't give two shits about me personally, you can cry for your mothers about my being a big meanine but the prevailing point I make here is airtight, irrespective of the mouth breathers who can't seem to comprehend it. Also, we welcome to the thread the IDN'ers representation of what is likely their third sigma; Edwin. Congrats.

Mostly what I've read so far has been predictable religious book from a group of 'believers' confronting someone who comes along to point out that ghosts don't exist. Emphasis on 'predictable'. Dumb people consistently believing dumb shit and refusing to let go always looks the same.

Something that does, however, deserve confrontation is the idea that IDN'ers taking advantage of pinyin can be written off to 'market timing' or that its simply an artifact of hindsight being 20/20. If I trade cotton futures on my own account, there are certain presumptions about me that can be made. One is that I must be reasonably successful at it if I've risen in the game to the point of being totally proprietary on my own book. Two, that I will have significant wisdom and knowledge types of the cotton market that allow me to gain an edge.

You mentally retarded faggots were quite literally the FRONT LINE of domain speculation in foreign languages. You were the cotton traders who, in order to win in the cotton market, must have advanced knowledge of the cotton industry. But did you show that advanced knowledge?
No.

Did you show intermediate knowledge? Some shit analyst level intern who you can plop at a desk and have him go over the daily "IDN Domain Report" for anything relevant?
No.

How about maybe a cognizant home gamer? Did you display the degree of knowledge in your own fucking market as the guy at home who reads Barrons and keeps up with his Scottrade account?
Nope. We STILL haven't arrived at the wisdom exhibited by IDN domain name investors in their own space.

Down and down the intellectual rabbit hole we go, until we hit bottom with a thud... and there we meet monkeys, throwing darts.

Freak exceptions and statistical outliers notwithstanding, this has been you.

While I don't live here, I have been paying attention to the neighborhood; the mantras and bullshit 'theories' cited to universally write off what, thus far, has been the most profitable foreign language domain type by light years. Well, lads, I regret to inform you but the bad news is, you absolutely suck at what you do. This is not 'market timing'. This is not belaboring 'hindsight'. It's pointing out the sort of market vibrations that EVERYONE who specialized in this space should've seen- at the very minimum, taken a meaningful hedge position- but instead, chose to cast in their lot entirely with a religion that isn't quite paying off.

Ahhh, but the prayer continues, doesn't it! This year's the big one!
2013/2014?
2012/2013?
2011/2012?
2010/2011?
2009/2010?
2008/2009?

You assholes have been saying *precisely* the same dumb shit for quite some time.

This isn't to say that fuck, who knows? Maybe this really is the year IDN's catch fire.
Maybe this is finally the year the Professor is able to make the coconut phone reach the mainland and get you Gilligan's off Failure Island. I doubt that but I hope so. I also think that much of the IDN'er narrative may actually be correct, in macro-theory, but given the space of a human lifetime, you're far, far too early wasting away in Jean, Nevada, waiting for the Las Vegas strip to arrive at your doorstep.

Being too early can actually be worse and more dangerous to your bottom line than being too late. I waste my time pointing out these sorts of things, though. Oh, look. There goes another dart!

See ya tamara.

What meds are you on? You should talk to your physician about adjusting the levels. You don't appear stable.

Like a lot of people here, I make money from IDNs every month. That's even without .com being transliterated. What are you so angry about? "Mentally retarted faggots". Oh dear. Its too funny to even think of being insulted by kind of trolling.

What prompted you to post on IDNF? Just curious ....

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 11:12 AM
Just to clarify, in his PM he wants to include "websites he owns with partners"

NOT acceptable...

Just to clarify, if that's the out you need, then that's that.
I didn't know what it would be, but I knew it would be something.

I mean, the one TOTALLY insignificant site I mentioned in passing, the one you mocked as being "Alexa 7,XXX,XXX' which would imply traffic about 10 people a day is about 20X that so maybe, as tempting as it is to just roll with whatever minor, non-commercial) develop I maintain personally (since you'd essentially need own sex.com or games.com in Chinese for me to even begin to worry, unless IDNs have radically different type in parameters than ASCII)

So, yes. Sorry. When I include development efforts, I include the efforts that receive 30%-50% of my waking time as opposed to personal pages, hobby sites or the like. As noted, STILL tempted anyway, but no go and to be frank, probably not worth my time going forward since we couldn't even clear a single, dead simple hurdle upon the first communication.

The peanut gallery will infer from this whatever it may.

Just out of curiosity, though, what is the name?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 11:16 AM
Sounds like the kind of shit that has been dropping left right and centre.


It is.
As noted, I own perhaps a dozen such names?

So, we're talking 1%.

I guess it took Drew coming along and unintentionally pointing out how awful the collective insight is around here to really tell the truth of what we're dealing with here.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 11:20 AM
Since he swears too much to be this guy http://www.domainstate.com/industry-news-6/news-or-press-release-102334.html we'll have to go through the list of all the other domainers who've felt the need to unzip for dnjournal to prove their manhood.

To be clear, the only names I've ever had on DN Journal were whatever ones I've sold via mediums that have the 'weekly sales report'.

Never 'reported' a single thing to them, nor do I feel even slightly compelled to. I think we all agree, that behavior is for a certain type of ego case, in the big picture, unless you're a professional domain broker and need fluff for your CV, it all squealing and no pork.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 11:27 AM
But Mortgages, who gives a fuck? With a mortguage, trust me, the only things that matter are size of Deposit, Repayments and Interests Rates. The Lender could be from Mars as far I am concerned. If I was depositing the money it might different.

Wow. Laughably shallow insight.
Who gives a fuck is the guy who gets his cut of $20-$80 clicks, or who throws up a boilerplate leadgen script and it makes a few hundred bucks a year from VERY minimal but highly converting traffic. This is something I'll probably be getting back into, given the way things are changing rapidly as we speak.

I don't know how things are over there, but commissions on mortgage brokerage here can run into the thousands per origination, which in turn equals hot demand for traffic. It was actually mortgage traffic that essentially invented the entire advanced traffic valuation model

Your insight couldn't possibly be any worse.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 11:30 AM
why would he cite an 7-8 Million Alexa site as an example of quality and then blame it on Alexa?


See, kids, this is an example of what happens when you don't bone up on your reading comprehension as a kid.

I mentioned that site in passing, not as an "example of quality".

Your words are dumb, manifest of your thoughts which are dumb so naturally, what do you think people assume about you, personally?

123
3rd September 2013, 11:36 AM
Ok, let me sum up your argument so far:

extra-chromosome droolers
mentally retarded faggots
monkeys, throwing darts
You assholes
get you Gilligan's off Failure Island


I think it's hilarious.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 11:39 AM
Ok, let me sum up your argument so far:

Insightful and accurate summary, for sure.
On par with the post I quoted above that one.

Edwin
3rd September 2013, 11:42 AM
I'm a bit baffled what any of this has to do with "domaining".

It goes without saying that a domain name (ANY domain name) can be developed into a busy, high traffic site if the theme is right, and enough effort goes into building/maintaining/promoting it.

I don't think anyone here would try and argue against that.

After all, Twitter.com is "a domain name", with billions of visitors. But that doesn't make the owners of Twitter "domainers" any more than the folks behind Facebook.com (another billion visitor domain name) are.

So if the discussion is "could a well-developed, well-marketed IDN domain make more money than the same domain name parked?" then, depending on the values of the two "well"s in the previous statement, the answer is almost certainly yes.

But if the discussion is "can IDN domains generate significant traffic and revenue passively, without any effort beyond pointing them at a parking page?" then the answer is also going to be "yes" for many IDN domains.

The fact that many IDN domains make a decent return over and above their renewal costs doesn't take away from the idea that they might make more if they were developed. The two aren't incompatible.

domainguru
3rd September 2013, 11:44 AM
You win first prize as the angriest, most obnoxious person we've ever had on this forum. I don't think anyone has ever come close. Congrats for that :yes:

why are you here again? Got thrown off everywhere else?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 11:46 AM
Edwin, your point is indeed correct.

This entire conversation has essentially devolved into a gigantic tangent with 'believers' and partisans doing whatever they can do in defense of the honor of their professed legion, then my being guilty enough to get sucked into it.

I suppose that's what I deserve since I didn't exactly enter with the 'reasoned' approach and wound up attracting the appropriate audience in both manner and intellect.

domainguru
3rd September 2013, 11:48 AM
I'm a bit baffled what any of this has to do with "domaining".

It goes without saying that a domain name (ANY domain name) can be developed into a busy, high traffic site if the theme is right, and enough effort goes into building/maintaining/promoting it.

I don't think anyone here would try and argue against that.

After all, Twitter.com is "a domain name", with billions of visitors. But that doesn't make the owners of Twitter "domainers" any more than the folks behind Facebook.com (another billion visitor domain name) are.

So if the discussion is "could a well-developed, well-marketed IDN domain make more money than the same domain name parked?" then, depending on the values of the two "well"s in the previous statement, the answer is almost certainly yes.

But if the discussion is "can IDN domains generate significant traffic and revenue passively, without any effort beyond pointing them at a parking page?" then the answer is also going to be "yes" for many IDN domains.

The fact that many IDN domains make a decent return over and above their renewal costs doesn't take away from the idea that they might make more if they were developed. The two aren't incompatible.

Indeed. An IDN domain is just like any other domain. It can be developed or parked. A well-developed IDN can get just as much traffic as a well-developed ASCII domain. Our Thai games site proved that.

But hey, all we are doing here is feeding a troll. its not like this is a serious debate about anything real.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 11:49 AM
What meds are you on? You should talk to your physician about adjusting the levels. You don't appear stable.

Like a lot of people here, I make money from IDNs every month. That's even without .com being transliterated. What are you so angry about? "Mentally retarted faggots". Oh dear. Its too funny to even think of being insulted by kind of trolling.

What prompted you to post on IDNF? Just curious ....

You win first prize as the angriest, most obnoxious person we've ever had on this forum. I don't think anyone has ever come close. Congrats for that :yes:

why are you here again? Got thrown off everywhere else?

Indeed. An IDN domain is just like any other domain. It can be developed or parked. A well-developed IDN can get just as much traffic as a well-developed ASCII domain. Our Thai games site proved that.

But hey, all we are doing here is feeding a troll. its not like this is a serious debate about anything real.


Your contributions to this thread are meaningful and valued.

domainguru
3rd September 2013, 11:49 AM
Edwin, your point is indeed correct.

This entire conversation has essentially devolved into a gigantic tangent with 'believers' and partisans doing whatever they can do in defense of the honor of their professed legion, then my being guilty enough to get sucked into it.

I suppose that's what I deserve since I didn't exactly enter with the 'reasoned' approach and wound up attracting the appropriate audience in both manner and intellect.

You didn't get sucked into anything. Thread title speaks for itself:

"Re: Attention! Buttholes and Losers and Retards"

domainguru
3rd September 2013, 11:50 AM
Your contributions to this thread are meaningful and valued.

I was just following your lead

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 11:51 AM
You didn't get sucked into anything. Thread title speaks for itself:

"Re: Attention! Buttholes and Losers and Retards"

Yes, I should've perhaps titled the thread differe....

Wait...

alpha
3rd September 2013, 11:54 AM
It's approaching that time when you'll be leaving us shortly. You've been one of the more entertaining nutjob trolls we've had here, but you're not as entertaining as you were. You made a slight recovery by posting up some of your names, but alas, all good things come to an end. Some of what you say is interesting, and I think you have more of it in you, but the noise to interesting titbit is just too low a yield.

I'd ask you to dial it down from 11 to a 4ish, but I'll be wasting my time I'm sure. You remind me of that Wanna Develop guy, he has little to offer, besides a unique personality where everything he says is all "shock and awe". If you took that away, hello average joe. I guess the same with you.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:02 PM
I can see what you're saying, given the recent battery of replies, there's a lot of dross in there but most of it is reply in turn.

Since I actually intend to get into right of the dot IDN (and I will make money in that like I do everything else I do), perhaps I should stick around.

You can ban me if you want- and we all know the names of the babies who've been crying for that- but you're probably net-positive having someone around here with a casual interest, but who has a mostly divergent opinion from the stupid monk chanting that goes on.

It will also be interesting to see if and when our opinions conflate somewhere down the line, when .idn's start being opened up for speculation.

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 12:12 PM
(since you'd essentially need own sex.com or games.com in Chinese for me to even begin to worry, unless IDNs have radically different type in parameters than ASCII)

You clearly have not done enough research into IDN's if you think that the likely traffic is on the Chinese domains.

So you may know a fair bit about ASCII domain valuation and monetisation, but you score a big fat zero for IDN knowledge.

But thank you for playing, it's been fun.

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 12:21 PM
What make me laugh, is that your strategy is dependant on finding buyers, which is without doubt the hardest job in domaining bar none, whilst mine now basically involves sitting on my arse, and yet you call me a Dumb Retarded Loser.

Go Figure!:lol:


I can see what you're saying, given the recent battery of replies, there's a lot of dross in there but most of it is reply in turn.

Since I actually intend to get into right of the dot IDN (and I will make money in that like I do everything else I do), perhaps I should stick around.

You can ban me if you want- and we all know the names of the babies who've been crying for that- but you're probably net-positive having someone around here with a casual interest, but who has a mostly divergent opinion from the stupid monk chanting that goes on.

It will also be interesting to see if and when our opinions conflate somewhere down the line, when .idn's start being opened up for speculation.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:27 PM
You clearly have not done enough research into IDN's if you think that the likely traffic is on the Chinese domains.


The 'likely traffic' is who fucking cares, if we know what names like sex.com get in ascii, we know what all other sort of ascii generates in type-ins, the behavioral parameters of (Insert Language Here) would have to be incredibly divergent for me to worry that, in one year, his lone IDN generated more traffic than even my hobby sites.

I mean, the one hobby site I mentioned in passing, the one he proudly proclaimed as having a ballpark Alexa rating of 10 people per day?

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz239/Champipple/retards_zps7747bcbc.jpg

... and I have a lot of sites like that, with the point being, you'd be really, really surprised what kind of traffic sites like those generate, in spite of their alexa rating and in spite of the fact that people who know nothing about development consistently make awful guesses about it.

So, when I add up JUST my hobby sites, he'd have to posses one incredible IDN to beat even just those. Of course, we reject the sites that are fully developed, that receive almost all my time and that receive traffic that, well, nevermind.

Thanks for trying, though.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:30 PM
What make me laugh, is that your strategy is dependant on finding buyers, which is without doubt the hardest job in domaining bar none, whilst mine now basically involves sitting on my arse, and yet you call me a Dumb Retarded Loser.

Go Figure!:lol:

Lets talk some more about those mortgage domains and see if you come out looking like anything other than a dumb, retarded loser.

Congrats if you have a passive IDN parking portfolio that earns its keep and generates you enough profit to enrich your life. Again, as noted, the third sigmas are what they are.

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 12:33 PM
Am I supposed to be impressed?:lol:

You are developing sites to get much less traffic than I get from parking.

Yes, really smart.:lol:

The 'likely traffic' is who fucking cares, if we know what names like sex.com get in ascii, we know what all other sort of ascii generates in type-ins, the behavioral parameters of (Insert Language Here) would have to be incredibly divergent for me to worry that, in one year, his lone IDN generated more traffic than even my hobby sites.

I mean, the one hobby site I mentioned in passing, the one he proudly proclaimed as having a ballpark Alexa rating of 10 people per day?

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz239/Champipple/retards_zps7747bcbc.jpg

... and I have a lot of sites like that, with the point being, you'd be really, really surprised what kind of traffic sites like those generate, in spite of their alexa rating and in spite of the fact that people who know nothing about development consistently make awful guesses about it.

So, when I add up JUST my hobby sites, he'd have to posses one incredible IDN to beat even just those. Of course, we reject the sites that are fully developed, that receive almost all my time and that receive traffic that, well, nevermind.

Thanks for trying, though.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:36 PM
Am I supposed to be impressed?:lol:

You are developing sites to get much less traffic than I get from parking.

Yes, really smart.:lol:

Did you COMPLETELY fail to follow along with the conversation? Or are you just desperately lobbing in obtuse replies because you know you can't win this argument on merit?

That little hobby site was not meant to 'impress' anyone, aside from demonstrating what sort of dumbfuck believes in Alexa.

You sure aren't one for grasping the 'point'.

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 12:40 PM
The 'likely traffic' is who fucking cares, if we know what names like sex.com get in ascii, we know what all other sort of ascii generates in type-ins, the behavioral parameters of (Insert Language Here) would have to be incredibly divergent for me to worry that, in one year, his lone IDN generated more traffic than even my hobby sites.


Jesus, you really are an intellectual midget! I told you Chinese isn't the language producing traffic and you start rabbiting on about keywords? Dear,oh dear. You're not really listening, are you?


I mean, the one hobby site I mentioned in passing, the one he proudly proclaimed as having a ballpark Alexa rating of 10 people per day?

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz239/Champipple/retards_zps7747bcbc.jpg

... and I have a lot of sites like that, with the point being, you'd be really, really surprised what kind of traffic sites like those generate, in spite of their alexa rating and in spite of the fact that people who know nothing about development consistently make awful guesses about it.


Fwarrrp! I hope the other 25 produce a bit more traffic than that!


So, when I add up JUST my hobby sites, he'd have to posses one incredible IDN to beat even just those. Of course, we reject the sites that are fully developed, that receive almost all my time and that receive traffic that, well, nevermind.

Thanks for trying, though.

I know the domain he's talking about and I'm telling you your eyes would BUG OUT if you saw the traffic levels it gets.

But I don't think you deserve to learn what the domain is because it's clear you're not here to learn, because you think you're the big hero ascii domain developer, and there's nothing you don't know already.

Go back to Rick's blog and hang our with your peers. You're a time waster.

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 12:41 PM
I mean, the one hobby site I mentioned in passing, the one he proudly proclaimed as having a ballpark Alexa rating of 10 people per day?
So, when I add up JUST my hobby sites, he'd have to posses one incredible IDN to beat even just those. Of course, we reject the sites that are fully developed, that receive almost all my time and that receive traffic that, well, nevermind.

Thanks for trying, though.

Just an FYI.....I would guess you showed us your 'best site', but even if this is just your 'average site' the math goes like this.

4,283 visitors for August x 12 months =51,396 annual visitors x 25 Websites =1,284,900 Unique Visitors.

My top producing IDN still beat 1,284,900 visitors annually based on 1/1/2012- 12/31/2013.

So having visited us here, have you learned anything about IDNs....or do you think we are holding pigeon shit?

I OFFER THIS VERY SIMPLE BET- $1,000 USD says this domain got over 1,284,900 visitors in 2012.

You in?

123
3rd September 2013, 12:42 PM
The 'likely traffic' is who fucking cares, if we know what names like sex.com get in ascii, we know what all other sort of ascii generates in type-ins, the behavioral parameters of (Insert Language Here) would have to be incredibly divergent for me to worry that, in one year, his lone IDN generated more traffic than even my hobby sites.

I mean, the one hobby site I mentioned in passing, the one he proudly proclaimed as having a ballpark Alexa rating of 10 people per day?

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz239/Champipple/retards_zps7747bcbc.jpg

... and I have a lot of sites like that, with the point being, you'd be really, really surprised what kind of traffic sites like those generate, in spite of their alexa rating and in spite of the fact that people who know nothing about development consistently make awful guesses about it.

So, when I add up JUST my hobby sites, he'd have to posses one incredible IDN to beat even just those. Of course, we reject the sites that are fully developed, that receive almost all my time and that receive traffic that, well, nevermind.

Thanks for trying, though.

what stats you are using? If they are logfile based, you will have lots of visits just from bots even with little or non-existent traffic etc. So even a site with nearly zero traffic will have lots of unique hits by default which show up in the logs.

I like the URL of your screenshot BTW:

retards_zps7747bcbc.jpg :lol:

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 12:44 PM
when .idn's start being opened up for speculation.

More proof you haven't been paying attention.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:46 PM
Just an FYI.....I would guess you showed us your 'best site'

Incredibly bad guess...

Congrats on owning an IDN that does over 1mm type-in uniques, though. That is definitely hard to believe and my eyes would definitely bug out.

123
3rd September 2013, 12:48 PM
http://www.webhostinghub.com/support/images/stories/cpanel/awstats3.jpg

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:51 PM
Jesus, you really are an intellectual midget! I told you Chinese isn't the language producing traffic and you start rabbiting on about keywords? Dear,oh dear. You're not really listening, are you?

Bad comprehension error.

I was making the point that we can infer a lot about type-in behaviors based on what we KNOW about ascii and while its possible that some other countries may be really eccentric in this regard, it would have to be some incredible situation for a name to be getting millions of type-ins per year.

But, see, speaking of intellectual midgetry...

Fwarrrp! I hope the other 25 produce a bit more traffic than that!

I can assume that perhaps RubberDucks posts are just an autogenerator while he avails himself of the 2-1 sale currently going on for Ukrainian mail order brides but seriously, are you going to make me break this down AGAIN?

This is in line with Alphas 'assumption' that a site with k4 uniques a month is my 'best site'.

You people are just starting to look stupid now.

I know the domain he's talking about and I'm telling you your eyes would BUG OUT if you saw the traffic levels it gets.

But I don't think you deserve to learn what the domain is because it's clear you're not here to learn, because you think you're the big hero ascii domain developer, and there's nothing you don't know already.

Go back to Rick's blog and hang our with your peers. You're a time waster.

I'd definitely be interested to see it, but its his choice whether he wants to show it or not.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:52 PM
http://www.webhostinghub.com/support/images/stories/cpanel/awstats3.jpg

A picture of an AW Stats panel for "whhsupport"?

And?

123
3rd September 2013, 12:53 PM
http://www.devonwebdesigners.com/2567/awstats-vs-webalizer-vs-google-analytics/

while they claim not to include bots many believe that awstats numbers are inflated

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 12:56 PM
http://www.devonwebdesigners.com/2567/awstats-vs-webalizer-vs-google-analytics/

while they claim not to include bots many believe that awstats numbers are inflated

Ah, I see.
More people believe in the US believe in Angels than the principles of evolution. The beliefs of some may be worth looking into, but they're not always going to be right. I've found that account to be totally reliable in terms of its analytics output, relative to other similar programs.

123
3rd September 2013, 12:58 PM
From the link:

My wife has a popular blog
Last month Awstats said she recieved 47,366 unique visitors.
Last month Google said she recieved 6,909 unique visitors.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:01 PM
From the same link

You get under-counting of visits in Google Analytics because not everyone allows Google Analytics to run on their browsers and because the old synchronous Google code (which many people are still running), if placed at the bottom of all your pages may not load before your visitor leaves. To fix the code issue, make sure you use the newer asynchronous code for your Analytics.

Although I'm going to generally agree that G Analytics is pretty amazing for a free program and we may have to look into it... and yet STILL, your point fails.

bwhhisc
3rd September 2013, 01:03 PM
Incredibly bad guess...

Congrats on owning an IDN that does over 1mm type-in uniques, though. That is definitely hard to believe and my eyes would definitely bug out.

That's what happens when people can only type-in in their native language. ;)

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 01:06 PM
...
Since I actually intend to get into right of the dot IDN (and I will make money in that like I do everything else I do), perhaps I should stick around.


FYI, dot-IDN has started already, both ccTLDs and gTLDs. Just in case.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:07 PM
Correction....over 2 million, but I don't want to dissuade anyone from taking the larger bet. ;)

Over 2mm, then mega congrats on whatever decision you made that inspired you to buy one of the top 0.00001% of internet properties on earth.

The bet won't be happening, as we established, but I would be fascinated to know what sort of IDN is hauling in that kind of traffic and more importantly, how it performs if all you're doing is parking it... because if this is from a country where mule drawn cart isn't still used as a primary method of transport and it represents ANYTHING related to industry, I could probably show you how to crush 'parking' income.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:09 PM
FYI, dot-IDN has started already, both ccTLDs and gTLDs. Just in case.

Yeah, I know that Russian one, is it?
I'm not on the leading edge of IDN as this crew is. We established that with Post 1. My only objective is staying three steps of everyone else, not waiting alone in the forest for the world to hopefully build up around me just so I could say I was first.

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 01:09 PM
You remind me of that Wanna Develop guy

True True

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 01:10 PM
Yeah, I know that Russian one, is it?
I'm not on the leading edge of IDN as this crew is. We established that with Post 1. My only objective is staying three steps of everyone else, not waiting alone in the forest for the world to hopefully build up around me just so I could say I was first.

.com .net as well for all intent and purposes
You may want to start looking now

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:13 PM
.com .net as well for all intent and purposes
You may want to start looking now

I don't like being too early.
Risk to reward ratios don't really appeal to me until there's already foundation under something.

I definitely need to start looking and paying attention now to .idn, but probably won't do much buying until I see what sort of traction it gets.

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 01:15 PM
The sort of traction it gets is self sustainable portfolios.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:15 PM
Aside from the Russian one, what .idns are available to register right now?

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 01:17 PM
I've just told you.

.com .net and most probably .org - in languages that were applied for by Verisign and PIR

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 01:18 PM
Funny isn't it. Guy with all this Journalistic Expertise that he is so proud of and nobody here can understand what the fuck he is on about. I guess it is much the same story elsewhere, otherwise he would not have end up here.

I'm beginning to tire of this guy.

Mods. If you want to fire his scrawny arse, don't let me stop you.

I believe in free speech but this guy is just abusing the priveledge.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:19 PM
@ squirrel OK, so we're talking about two different things.
Those, I know about.

My interest is seeing if any of the .idns in the new TLD program (there have been more than a few this round, correct?) start to attain cultural ubiquity, because I think that is very possible.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:20 PM
Funny isn't it. Guy with all this Journalistic Expertise that he is so proud of and nobody here can understand what the fuck he is on about. I guess it is much the same story elsewhere, otherwise he would not have end up here.

I'm beginning to tire of this guy.

Mods. If you want to fire his scrawny arse, don't let me stop you.

I believe in free speech but this guy is just abusing the priveledge.

Eh, you're just bitter because I made the mail order bride dig.
If I were you, I'd be bitter too.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:23 PM
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squirrel
3rd September 2013, 01:25 PM
My interest is seeing if any of the .idns in the new TLD program (there have been more than a few this round, correct?) start to attain cultural ubiquity, because I think that is very possible.

You don't understand the IDN game. If you manage not to get banned once Alpha's back, you should start to read more and talk less.

The premise of everything here, of this forum, of our 'speculation' is that some of the 'new' .idns are the continuity of the old tlds - in fact what we own is just a transition phase -, hence the mindshare is already there, the traffic is already there.

Go to domenforum.net and see how they missed the boat completely and are now kicking themselves. They are all after .org now cuz .com is long gone.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:27 PM
You don't understand the IDN game. If you manage not to get banned once Alpha's back, you should start to read more and talk less.

The premise of everything here, of this forum, of our 'speculation' is that some of the 'new' .idns are the continuity of the old tlds - in fact what we own is just a transition phase -, hence the mindshare is already there, the traffic is already there.

Go to domenforum.net and see how they missed the boat completely and are now kicking themselves. They are all after .org now cuz .com is long gone.

Are you talking the aliasing of .com?

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 01:30 PM
Yes

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:43 PM
Nothing new.
I think I even mentioned it once or twice in this thread already.

The tiny handful of IDNs I own, I hope to be able to purchase an aliased version of...

What I'm talking about are .idn's that will be brand new and, in spite of the fact that the west is entrenched in .com, there are other cultures just waiting for their own identity and some of those new TLDs will provide it. That's what I'm being observant of.

When (Country X) sees the issuance of some keyword synergistic TLD and suddenly, every relevant internet entity in that country rushes to it...

That's what I'm waiting to see.
In the west, I bet .com against all comers.
Country by country, things may be different.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 01:44 PM
And some moderator, edit out that picture I posted of RubberDuck.
That was more cruel than I intended it to be and I apologize for that.

Edwin
3rd September 2013, 01:50 PM
Nothing new.
I think I even mentioned it once or twice in this thread already.

The tiny handful of IDNs I own, I hope to be able to purchase an aliased version of...

What I'm talking about are .idn's that will be brand new and, in spite of the fact that the west is entrenched in .com, there are other cultures just waiting for their own identity and some of those new TLDs will provide it. That's what I'm being observant of.

When (Country X) sees the issuance of some keyword synergistic TLD and suddenly, every relevant internet entity in that country rushes to it...

That's what I'm waiting to see.
In the west, I bet .com against all comers.
Country by country, things may be different.

Why will these new, completely unknown IDN succeed?

All the relevant internet entities will be rushing for the alias-of-.com-IDNs, surely? That's a "known" extension - it's what people have been wanting to type for over a decade if only they could (instead of hitting the "change to ASCII" button half-way through entering the domain name)

Even the ASCII GTLD have a huge hill to climb before establishing any kind of traction. Consider that close to a thousand will be launching within a year, and each one has to make enough marketing "noise" to A) get noticed and B) persuade people to register that extension, not one of the 999 other new ones.

Now factor in the fact that .IDN domains don't even exist yet (for the most part) so you're combining trying to get recognition for your IDN extension and trying to get recognition for the CONCEPT of a .IDN domain. A double struggle, in other words.

On the other hand, alias-of-.com IDN only have to cope with the "hey, .IDN domains work" hurdle. The recognition is, for the most part, already there.

squirrel
3rd September 2013, 01:51 PM
Nothing new.
I think I even mentioned it once or twice in this thread already.

The tiny handful of IDNs I own, I hope to be able to purchase an aliased version of...

What I'm talking about are .idn's that will be brand new and, in spite of the fact that the west is entrenched in .com, there are other cultures just waiting for their own identity and some of those new TLDs will provide it. That's what I'm being observant of.

When (Country X) sees the issuance of some keyword synergistic TLD and suddenly, every relevant internet entity in that country rushes to it...

That's what I'm waiting to see.
In the west, I bet .com against all comers.
Country by country, things may be different.

You're blind or what ? Several countries already brand with internationalized version of .com and have been for years, if not a decade or more.

Where are you going, where have you been.

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 02:00 PM
... when 'true love' comes in the form of the promise of three meals a day....

http://www.dnjournal.com/images/lowdown/wrixons.jpg

So, speaking of losers...

It is not cruel. I am very proud of my family.

Bizarre. Certainly.

Why should you care?

And be careful because I can take Being Protective to extremes.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 02:03 PM
Why will these new, completely unknown IDN succeed?


Who said all?
I said I'm keeping a moist finger to the wind to see if it happens with any of them, because if its going to happen with any niche in the new TLD world, it's going to be that one.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 02:05 PM
And be careful because I can take Being Protective to extremes.

You should take your sincere and well intentioned apology and shut the fuck up. For every inch of 'protective to the extreme' you offer, I promise you I'm doubly that in mean spirited cruelty, if need be.

But I'd really rather not, so lets just let this one drop.

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 02:11 PM
You should take your sincere and well intentioned apology and shut the fuck up. For every inch of 'protective to the extreme' you offer, I promise you I'm doubly that in mean spirited cruelty, if need be.

But I'd really rather not, so lets just let this one drop.

Well I hope you Slavic is up to the job!:lol:

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 02:14 PM
Well I hope you Slavic is up to the job!:lol:

I never even considered that and would've been totally pissing in the wind. Appreciate the heads up.
Eastern European translating talent comes awfully cheap on oDesk.com.

THIS, folks, is yet another demonstration of why keeping your mouth shut in situations like this is usually the best course of action...

But as noted, we aren't at that point, lets not get to that point.

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 02:36 PM
Who said all?
I said I'm keeping a moist finger to the wind to see if it happens with any of them, because if its going to happen with any niche in the new TLD world, it's going to be that one.

Are you heavily invested in .info .biz or .mobi?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 02:38 PM
Are you heavily invested in .info .biz or .mobi?

Pretty sure I don't own a single one. Wait, I think I own one .biz, I have to check if I dropped it or not..

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 02:40 PM
Right, so why do you think the non-.com new .IDN's will fare any better?

Do you think more than a handful of the new ASCII gTLD's will be a success?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 03:22 PM
Right, so why do you think the non-.com new .IDN's will fare any better?

Do you think more than a handful of the new ASCII gTLD's will be a success?

I do not think more than a slight handful of ascii gTLDs will be a "success" from the standpoint of domain speculation.

As far as .idn's, I think that's a whole 'nother ball of wax.
Why did those TLDs fail as a .idn? Because nobody fucking wanted them in the first place regardless of the letters, so they're on the furthest fringes of marginal in ascii, I'm guessing essentially irrelevant in their aliased .tld.

There are large groups of people in the non English speaking world who haven't had a native language identity to the right of the dot as of yet.
Beware your mantras. I think it's entirely possible that *some* of those places may rush to adopt and there *may* be money there. How will we know? We will pay very careful attention and listen to the facts, rather than the mantras.

I don't believe in the Rick Schwartz method of wasting a quarter million dollars on something to find out if it's going to catch or not. If the time comes, I'll get in.

One of the greatest pearls of wisdom I ever received: On every investment you make, always be a little late coming in and a little early going.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 04:03 PM
I misspoke when I said

I'm guessing essentially irrelevant in their aliased .tld.

That should've said "irrelevant in their aliased .idn.

Coming full circle, the point I came in here with stands tall; if anyone was to profit from pinyin, this is the group who should've done it but for all intents and purposes, you didn't. Those few of you who own great single names or who have self sustaining idn.com portfolios, congrats, but it does nothing to negate the point I make.

Now, we have a new situation arising with .idn's and what am I seeing?
The precise mantras and chanting that kept you out of pinyin.

All I am saying is this.
This is the group who has the deepest understanding of working non ascii domains.

You guys.

A shitload of very exotic and potentially lucrative, once in a lifetime opportunities may soon arise IN THE VERY SPACE IN WHICH YOU GUYS KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE yet for the sake of the same confirmation bias nonsense that caused most of you to miss the boat on pinyin, the same thing, in the same way, because of the same flawed methodology, may happen again with these.

Beware.

IdnHost
3rd September 2013, 05:09 PM
Listen, while your here.... instead of rambling on what we should have or not have invested in, insulting the veterens of the idn game and trying to prove to us you are god allmighty, perhaps you should use this valuable time to learn a thing or two about idns. After all you do have a handfull of idns yourself and do show some interest on this topic.
Yes, you definately started off on the wrong foot in this forum but a public appology goes a long way haji ;)
You can be stubborn, keep saying we are all dart throwing monkeys and so forth, but you have already admitted we know a whole lot more then you about idns therefore we cannot be all that retarded right?
man up, untuck your sack and show us your willing to learn instead of wasting everyones time including your own.

Cheers.

IdnHost
3rd September 2013, 05:19 PM
For starters, read this if you haven't already.

http://www.circleid.com/posts/201308...be_in_english/

IdnHost
3rd September 2013, 05:23 PM
My appologies, ignore the link above. i posted the wrong one.
here is the correct one.

http://www.circleid.com/posts/2013081_the_next_internet_revolution_will_not_be_in_english/

Rockruler
3rd September 2013, 05:25 PM
I misspoke when I said



That should've said "irrelevant in their aliased .idn.

Coming full circle, the point I came in here with stands tall; if anyone was to profit from pinyin, this is the group who should've done it but for all intents and purposes, you didn't. Those few of you who own great single names or who have self sustaining idn.com portfolios, congrats, but it does nothing to negate the point I make.

Now, we have a new situation arising with .idn's and what am I seeing?
The precise mantras and chanting that kept you out of pinyin.

All I am saying is this.
This is the group who has the deepest understanding of working non ascii domains.

You guys.

A shitload of very exotic and potentially lucrative, once in a lifetime opportunities may soon arise IN THE VERY SPACE IN WHICH YOU GUYS KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE yet for the sake of the same confirmation bias nonsense that caused most of you to miss the boat on pinyin, the same thing, in the same way, because of the same flawed methodology, may happen again with these.

Beware.

You could have saved us all 12 pages of nonsense if you had just stated this point clearly from the outset instead of attacking. Everyone is entitled to an opinion... but people don't listen when you start insulting them. You should know this being a copywriter.

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 06:19 PM
Going Bačík to Pin yiń.

You talk from your ass.

It is much more complicated than you imagine.

For a start Chinese which is a writing systém fragments into separate languages that are not mutually intelligible.

To do Pin Yin properly you need tonal marks, which can only be done in a domain with Punycode (IDN).

The type writer used numerical subscripts, but good Luck getting those typed in.

Without tónem marks you need context. I don't do context in domains.

So aktually English míchat be better.

Rubber Duck
3rd September 2013, 06:31 PM
So I cannot edit my posts because of this idiot.

Struggling as wife left Czech auto complete. Sussex it now.

Anyway, if we are have to change forum rules to accommodate idiots then it must be time for the Reaper.


Going Bačík to Pin yiń.

You talk from your ass.

It is much more complicated than you imagine.

For a start Chinese which is a writing systém fragments into separate languages that are not mutually intelligible.

To do Pin Yin properly you need tonal marks, which can only be done in a domain with Punycode (IDN).

The type writer used numerical subscripts, but good Luck getting those typed in.

Without tónem marks you need context. I don't do context in domains.

So aktually English míchat be better.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 07:39 PM
Listen, while your here.... instead of rambling on what we should have or not have invested in, insulting the veterens of the idn game and trying to prove to us you are god allmighty, perhaps you should use this valuable time to learn a thing or two about idns. After all you do have a handfull of idns yourself and do show some interest on this topic.
Yes, you definately started off on the wrong foot in this forum but a public appology goes a long way haji ;)
You can be stubborn, keep saying we are all dart throwing monkeys and so forth, but you have already admitted we know a whole lot more then you about idns therefore we cannot be all that retarded right?
man up, untuck your sack and show us your willing to learn instead of wasting everyones time including your own.

Cheers.

Oh, don't get me wrong.
The little soliloquy above doesn't automatically apply to everyone here.

There's still a whole lotta dumbass goin' on...

Grim Reaper
3rd September 2013, 07:44 PM
Hi

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 07:44 PM
Going Bačík to Pin yiń.

You talk from your ass.

It is much more complicated than you imagine.

For a start Chinese which is a writing systém fragments into separate languages that are not mutually intelligible.

To do Pin Yin properly you need tonal marks, which can only be done in a domain with Punycode (IDN).

The type writer used numerical subscripts, but good Luck getting those typed in.

Without tónem marks you need context. I don't do context in domains.

So aktually English míchat be better.

Yes sir, my ass is the seated in the chair called "I like to make money".

Yours, "I prefer elaborate theories to money.

You win the 'theoretically optimal' award while they spend billions on pinyin domains.

Well bowled.

From what I can tell, you're one of the handful who do well enough at specializing in this to remain black... however, are you the Rick Schwartz of IDN? Someone with questionable insight who stumbled drunk from a bar and into a goldmine?

I'm sincerely starting to think that about you. Your absolutely abysmal insight on, say, mortgage traffic. It was child-like.

The greatest irony here: the exact same somewhat reactionary reasons ascii people used to downplay IDNs in general is what we now see from heavily invested IDN.com'ers about the coming of brand new .idn identities for countries that very well may be fast to embrace something that has nothing to do with you, me or .com.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 07:45 PM
Screen name change is effing hilarious.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 07:49 PM
Hi

If a ban is imminent, pay close attention to those who suddenly have 'tons to say' or spring back to life once they know I'm no longer here and they can spew their asinine bullshit with impunity.

Grim Reaper
3rd September 2013, 07:55 PM
Who said anything about a ban. I'm here to play. Want to play a game?

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 07:56 PM
You should know this being a copywriter.

swinganamiss.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 07:58 PM
Who said anything about a ban. I'm here to play. Want to play a game?

No.

Grim Reaper
3rd September 2013, 08:04 PM
No.

I insist, really I do. I think you'll like this game.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 08:07 PM
I insist, really I do. I think you'll like this game.

The name changes are pretty funny but sorry. No.
If you've arrived at the point of, ya know, this kinda stuff, I guess I'll just go back to checking in once a day since wasting my time on retarded shit isn't really my bag.

Especially this kind of shit.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 08:09 PM
Most annoying is that you're pulling this nonsense when things have toned down quite a bit and the discussion approaches productive.

But whatever.

See ya tomorrow. If the account is inactive, or if I can't log in because it's some other screen name, then I guess this is adios.

Hegewisch
3rd September 2013, 08:21 PM
For the record, 'hide and go seek champ' was the best by a country mile.
I actually laughed out loud at that one.

Grim Reaper
3rd September 2013, 08:25 PM
That's it, Skippy. Pack your shit.

chrisofmel
3rd September 2013, 09:14 PM
Dam, back to the boring 2-3 post a day forum

IdnHost
3rd September 2013, 09:25 PM
Dam, back to the boring 2-3 post a day forum

It was fun while it lasted. Next time he will know better than to come to a public forum and right off the bat insult everyone for the sake of his own amusement.

has2hands
3rd September 2013, 10:09 PM
Yesterday was a national holiday (Labor Day) in USA and officially marks the end of summer and usually entails a day of picnics with family and friends, etc etc.

Looks like he chose to spend most of his holiday with all you guys :)

Drewbert
3rd September 2013, 10:15 PM
Bummer. There goes the entertainment.

I think "knob-end" would be more accurate though.