Google indexing NameDrive pages

[jose]

How's your experience with NameDrive pages indexed with Google?

I have recently began receiving a lot of hits for domain كزينو.net, and found out it has been indexed and was a SERP1 for كزينو (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%D9%83%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%88&btnG=Google+Search)! (Casino?!)

Today however, the page was removed! Still on cache only. Was the algorithm temporarely fooled by the new ND canvas template?

[IDNCowboy]

How's your experience with NameDrive pages indexed with Google?

I have recently began receiving a lot of hits for domain كزينو.net, and found out it has been indexed and was a SERP1 for كزينو (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%D9%83%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%88&btnG=Google+Search)! (Casino?!)

Today however, the page was removed! Still on cache only. Was the algorithm temporarely fooled by the new ND canvas template?
its probably not casino as there are only 626 results in google. Also for that many results it would be very easy to get to #1.

[jose]

I know that. But Casinos are ilegal in Thailand...
Maybe our native Thai on duty can give me a hand on that one...

[IDNCowboy]

I know that. But Casinos are ilegal in Thailand...
Maybe our native Thai on duty can give me a hand on that one...
كزينو is in arabic script.. Thai doesn't use arabic script.

[touchring]

its probably not casino as there are only 626 results in google. Also for that many results it would be very easy to get to #1.

It's always the case, you'll get to 1st SERP when it was first indexed, and after a month or so, it will drop off gradually.

[IDNCowboy]

It's always the case, you'll get to 1st SERP when it was first indexed, and after a month or so, it will drop off gradually.
Depends on many factors such as google results etc. Alot of the top keywords have very heavy SEO on them so other names will most likely appear first.

[touchring]

Depends on many factors such as google results etc. Alot of the top keywords have very heavy SEO on them so other names will most likely appear first.

Would it be possible for newly registered names to have heavy SEO on that?

[IDNCowboy]

Would it be possible for newly registered names to have heavy SEO on that?
newly registered no as it takes time to get indexed into google. Sometimes it takes a month until the domain is even indexed by google. However good link exchanging and an seo campaign(expensive one) could do the trick. Pagerank also updates once every three months now instead of every month.

It definitely helps to have the domain keyword.com in question as that is a great factor. Some people spend thousands of dollars on seo a month. I was managing ads for a webmaster network and one client was throwing $3k to us PER site per month. For the big keywords such as insurance at least in the U.S. it would be impossible to get good rankings without a big budget for seo.

[mulligan]

A recent reg has my name.com in some websites meta tags...
It also gets ovt with extension, although its only 20 or so

[IDNCowboy]

A recent reg has my name.com in some websites meta tags...
It also gets ovt with extension, although its only 20 or so
You should def go after them... Once IE 7 gets popular those typins should definitely go up at least 10x to 200.... as people will now know they can search in their native language. Better to act early :).

[touchring]

newly registered no as it takes time to get indexed into google. Sometimes it takes a month until the domain is even indexed by google. However good link exchanging and an seo campaign(expensive one) could do the trick. Pagerank also updates once every three months now instead of every month.

It definitely helps to have the domain keyword.com in question as that is a great factor. Some people spend thousands of dollars on seo a month. I was managing ads for a webmaster network and one client was throwing $3k to us PER site per month. For the big keywords such as insurance at least in the U.S. it would be impossible to get good rankings without a big budget for seo.


Yes, i'm aware of website SEO, but we're now managing domains, and it will be impossible to apply website style SEO to all hundreds or thousands of domains. We'll be lucky if Google doesn't ban parking pages like the way Baidu is doing now. My Chinese traffic with SC fell by 50% and we still do not know what the hell is happening!

[IDNCowboy]

Yes, i'm aware of website SEO, but we're now managing domains, and it will be impossible to apply website style SEO to all hundreds or thousands of domains. We'll be lucky if Google doesn't ban parking pages like the way Baidu is doing now. My Chinese traffic with SC fell by 50% and we still do not know what the hell is happening!
There actually was a way to do it for a short while but google caught on quick. Sucked as it was making us a tidy profit :).

[Rubber Duck]

Yes, i'm aware of website SEO, but we're now managing domains, and it will be impossible to apply website style SEO to all hundreds or thousands of domains. We'll be lucky if Google doesn't ban parking pages like the way Baidu is doing now. My Chinese traffic with SC fell by 50% and we still do not know what the hell is happening!

The logical reason for Baidu banning parking pages is that they end up at Google Adwords. Why would it wan't to underpin the revenue of the opposition. Google is unlikely to take similar action for precisely the same reason.

[touchring]

The logical reason for Baidu banning parking pages is that they end up at Google Adwords. Why would it wan't to underpin the revenue of the opposition. Google is unlikely to take similar action for precisely the same reason.


Wow! Why didn't I thought of that?

Why would Google ban it's own ads - i mean, the parking pages are also Google ads!

As i said once, we're all becoming Google's pawns.

[jose]

Wow! Why didn't I thought of that?

Why would Google ban it's own ads - i mean, the parking pages are also Google ads!

As i said once, we're all becoming Google's pawns.


Exactly. That's why although the Google algorithm is getting more and more efficient on getting black hat seo pages it does nothing to simple copy cat content pages aimed only to get clicks on THEIR adsense ads. Noticed my sig ;)?

On topic:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/parked_domains_google_adnonsense/

كزينو is in arabic script.. Thai doesn't use arabic script.

Sorry. My mistake. I mean our Arabic expert, Q!

[touchring]

Exactly. That's why although the Google algorithm is getting more and more efficient on getting black hat seo pages it does nothing to simple copy cat content pages aimed only to get clicks on THEIR adsense ads. Noticed my sig ;)?

On topic:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/parked_domains_google_adnonsense/

Sorry. My mistake. I mean our Arabic expert, Q!


That's not true, lots of generated and copy cat websites are being penalized, and the unlucky ones banned by Google - Oops, mths of effort goes down the drain :o. Those that are not banned are suffering from low PPC - Google places a penalty on such websites.

But of course, Google now goes after those that does it on a big scale - you need to be earning more than just a few thousands a mth on Adsense to be at risk.

SEO is getting harder by the years as search engines get smarter, and the AI would soon develop to the extent that it can examine a website as good as or even better than a human, and soon, the only reliable traffic is from type-in - that's why i'm into domains - i feel that the days of free traffic from shortcut SEO tactics is limited. The day will come when Google has exhausted easier income sources, and will surely squeeze these guys to sustain it's profit growth.

Today:
Advertisers $$$$$$$$$$ -> Google Adword -> Google SERP -> Google Adsense -> Adsense advertiser pocket $$$$$$
Google's profit: $$$$

Tomorrow:
Advertisers $$$$$$$$$$ -> Google Adword -> Google SERP -> Google Adsense -> Adsense advertiser pocket $ - down 80%/90%!
Google's profit: $$$$$$$$$

[mulligan]

Anybody know what will happen to my site (xxx.com) that is in other peoples websites meta tags and actually on their website? (The actual xxx.com with extension)
Its a name I actually intend to use, what are the repercussions?
Will my site be penalised? Will I have to get a slew of C&D's ready?

[gammascalper]

Why should you be worried?

If it's generic, it's YOUR domain.

Hopefully the SEs will count domains in the meta titles as powerful backlinks and you'll be rewarded nicely.

[touchring]

It would depend on whether xxx is a trademark.

If they got a trademark in their own country, even if it were a generic, and you registered the domain AFTER they got the trademark, you might still lose WIPO. It's a who has more legal money, who will win case.

Remember: Ownership of xxx.com doesn't grant you the trademark for xxx.com.


If you really want to put in significant resources into xxx.com, a pre-emptive move might be to register the marks for xxx.com in the country you are operating in. Maybe also setup a xxx.com ltd.

[mulligan]

Its a total generic so I cant see it being TM'd
Though it would probably be prudent to register a TM for it. I would have no problems getting it as I am already in that business but where the heck do you register a Japanese TM?

[touchring]

Its a total generic so I cant see it being TM'd
Though it would probably be prudent to register a TM for it. I would have no problems getting it as I am already in that business but where the heck do you register a Japanese TM?


Yes, prudent is the word. Look at that sex.biz guy, someone actually got a trademark on SEX! And they won the domain arbitration. He got to spend god knows how much legal money and how many years to get back his name.

I was also thinking of protecting some of the better generic names i got, can't figure out what better steps, other than the first step - remove the "For Sale" sign.

[Rubber Duck]

Probably the best strategy is diversification. Lots of different countries, lots of different types of domains and plenty of them. If you have 100 domains worth $10K you are much less at risk than having one domain worth $1 M.

[touchring]

Probably the best strategy is diversification. Lots of different countries, lots of different types of domains and plenty of them. If you have 100 domains worth $10K you are much less at risk than having one domain worth $1 M.


It depends on the name, generic names with traffic can go 10, 20 or 30 times beyond 10k.

[Rubber Duck]

It depends on the name, generic names with traffic can go 10, 20 or 30 times beyond 10k.

I wasn't really suggesting limiting the potential value of individual domain names. What I was trying to suggest was to create a broad diversified portfolio. If you only have $10K to invest make sure that you get a reasonable spread rather than putting all your eggs in one basket.

[alpha]

A while ago it was identified that Yahoo was struggling to properly index parked Japanese pages, due to the fact that the spiders doing the indexing were based outside of Japan (in USA), and therefore what was being indexed was English based text ads and not Japanese.

While we all recongised that this is a Yahoo indexing issue, ND took it upon themselves to develop a solution.

The solution in progress is what is being called a "language lock", below is a recent update from ND on the progress of this mini-project:

The progression from that will be a "language lock" where you will be able to choose which language the text of the page should be locked in so it will always be displayed in those languages. We are looking into optinos for this and it is obviously a bigger implementation, but Spetmeber is still when I'm hoping it will go live.


-- thanks Ed for the update..

[Drewbert]

Diversification away from just having plain ASCII names was one of the reasons I finally got into IDN.

On that note I recall two stats I heard on TV yesterday...

260 million cellphone users in China currently, 130 million in USA.

4000 students in USA currently in Industrial Design courses.

200,000 in China.

One University in China has 30,000 students. 80% of them are in engineering courses.