what a joke this org/机构/орг is

[alpha]

I own 12 .orgs, some chinese, some Russian

following the link on the PIR.org page that specifically says which registrars support 机构 or орг or both.. i work my way down the list.

There are 16 registrars that support these 2 new gTLDs according to the PIR site

but in reality:

50% of them are resellers that do not sell to the public
20% of them do not supports IDNs in any shape or form
20% of them support IDN.org, but not idn.idn

and 2 do seem to support idn.idn. but they report "taken" or "reserved".

Glad i'm not heavily into .org, it's a clusterfuck

and whoever has backordered my hotels.org in Russian - you can go fuck yourself, don't think of coming to me trying to sell it, I'll drop mine before I play this registry extortion game

[squirrel]

edit: sorry I misread

[alpha]

edit: sorry I misread

http://pir.org/domains/find-a-registrar/ is the link to the registrars *cough hack* that support this.

[idn]

The good news is perhaps the launch will overall be a massive failure.

[squirrel]

and 2 do seem to support idn.idn. but they report "taken" or "reserved".


I just checked a few and can confirm.

Dynadot is by far the best. They have elected to only take one pre-registration per domain, so in essence all the best ones are probably taken already. They show 'taken' if they already have a pre-reg or 'reserved' if the domain is registered at the registry level, i.e. sex, poker etc.

Ru-Center looks OK, but they don't distringuish between real 'reserved' domains and other strings which they mark as 'reserved' but are not 'reserved' at Dynadot. These guys are the type to get names for themselves and auction them off later on, like they did for .py, if I remember correctly.

They are some other registrars who don't even show reserved domains as reserved, so clearly these registrars are taking everyone's money and will figure out who to refund (and how. account credits I would guess, no real refund) after the launch. That's domaindiscount24.com for example.

I wonder how long it will take for ОРГ zone > cyrillic.org. If it happens on launch day or shortly after, it's a good sign for PIR.

[DktoInc]

Ru-Center looks OK, These guys are the type to get names for themselves and auction them off later on, like they did for .py, if I remember correctly.



It looks like this is exactly what they are doing.

[blastfromthepast]

All of my .orgs in Russian, Chinese, and Japanese have been backordered by someone else. Except one.

[idn]

and Japanese

Interesting.

[RusDom]

and whoever has backordered my hotels.org

It's PIR :)
Registrant Name:Premium Domain

[Wot]

Looks like I got:

北京.机构
上海.机构
中文.机构

[blastfromthepast]

Nice.

[alpha]

It's PIR :)

actually. Hotel = PIR reserved. Hotels = me :)

[idn]

I'm thinking this might be a flop besides perhaps Russian. No real numbers to base this off of, but my gut tells me Hindi is going to have low registrations and Chinese almost seems like a no show. PIR reserved a bunch and some premiums are available for hand reg. Just hand regged a strong keyword for the heck of it.

[Wot]

I'm thinking this might be a flop besides perhaps Russian. No real numbers to base this off of, but my gut tells me Hindi is going to have low registrations and Chinese almost seems like a no show. PIR reserved a bunch and some premiums are available for hand reg. Just hand regged a strong keyword for the heck of it.

Did anybody know?

I pre regged two Chinese that I have the .org for with websites and ended up hand regging a few premium city.机构 so I guess little interest. Just TOO many various whatever's coming out at the same time!

[idn]

Did anybody know?

I pre regged two Chinese that I have the .org for with websites and ended up hand regging a few premium city.机构 so I guess little interest. Just TOO many various whatever's coming out at the same time!

Seriously, everything but the very best is available in Chinese.org. And most of the very best are reserved!

[idn]

As Gary said, what a clusterfuck. In some cases PIR even reserved secondary domains and left primary terms available for registration.

[Drewbert]

Namedrive:

Failure Reason: Your entry does not contain a valid TLD.

Sigh.

The .org's I had that weren't in the blocklist must suck because Dynadot got the lot for me. Probably not a good sign at all.

Others in the "Premium" domain list:

xn--90auioef футбол
xn--h1agd3a5b фильм

[Wot]

As Gary said, what a clusterfuck. In some cases PIR even reserved secondary domains and left primary terms available for registration.

As I posted earlier, I got these

北京.机构
上海.机构
中文.机构

I would put them at close to the very best?

And yes, second rate names were reserved!

[idn]

Namedrive:

Failure Reason: Your entry does not contain a valid TLD.

Sigh.



I won't bother asking why you still park your names there.

[idn]

As I posted earlier, I got these

北京.机构
上海.机构
中文.机构

I would put them at close to the very best?

And yes, second rate names were reserved!

I hear you. I just hand regged 二手车. I'm done with this. This is going nowhere.

[blastfromthepast]

What's going on with the reserved names? How can I unreserve them?

[Drewbert]

I won't bother asking why you still park your names there.

Well, not ALL of them.

[alpha]

I hear you. I just hand regged 二手车. I'm done with this. This is going nowhere.

yeah. i hand regged mortgage, a couple of cities plus a bunch of single char stuff - just to get the pairs of my orgs. It was too easy, which means its a dud.

next.

[Wot]

yeah. i hand regged mortgage, a couple of cities plus a bunch of single char stuff - just to get the pairs of my orgs. It was too easy, which means its a dud.

next.


So it was you me and four others that regged some! :-p

[RusDom]

So it was you me and four others that regged some! :-p
The same thing is in the cyrillic part :-D

[Drewbert]

Anyone seeing any traffic?

[Wot]

The same thing is in the cyrillic part :-D

9 years ago I found a niche with .co.in which nobody was registering during the .in launch, picked up a lot and made a lot of money.

For a short time I thought I had done it again until the penny dropped. :lol:

[idn]

Anyone seeing any traffic?

Zero.

[alpha]

Anyone seeing any traffic?

no, but then didn't expect any, these names after all weren't on the blocklist

[Drewbert]

Yes, but the blocklist isn't every name with traffic, it's only the ones that reached a certain number of queries on whatever day of the year they took the data. So there should be some out there that didn't quite make the grade that do get traffic.

I hand regged one yesterday that I estimated would get some traffic. 3 visits in 24 hours. So I was right, just not right enough.

[idn]

Is there a way to see registration numbers yet for this mess?

[blastfromthepast]

Yes, but the blocklist isn't every name with traffic, it's only the ones that reached a certain number of queries on whatever day of the year they took the data. So there should be some out there that didn't quite make the grade that do get traffic.

The infamous collision list? Do they plan to get rid of the reserved status at some point?

[idn]

The infamous collision list? Do they plan to get rid of the reserved status at some point?

More greed I think. A lot of the names on the Rus .org collision list were junk (at least from a domainer perspective). Many strong keywords were not blocked.

[idn]

First орг site: цемент.орг

[Drewbert]

Is there a way to see registration numbers yet for this mess?

http://domainincite.com/pro/new-gtld-zone-file-report/

[squirrel]

Is there a way to see registration numbers yet for this mess?

http://registrarstats.com/TLDDomainCounts.aspx

[idn]

http://domainincite.com/pro/new-gtld-zone-file-report/

Looks like I need to be a subscriber

[idn]

http://registrarstats.com/TLDDomainCounts.aspx

Looks like it hasn't updated yet.

[idn]

Zero.

Correction 2 visitors from China to a .机构 domain. Probably a speculator.

[squirrel]

Looks like it hasn't updated yet.

They only show 50 TLDs, at a time, if you order by TLD name, reverse order, it will show all the xn-- TLDs

[squirrel]

for ОРГ I see 403

[idn]

They only show 50 TLDs, at a time, if you order by TLD name, reverse order, it will show all the xn-- TLDs

Understood. My point was since neither the Chinese or Hindi extensions are shown it can't be accurate/updated.

[squirrel]

oh, my bad. Hadn't noticed.

[alpha]

Is there a way to see registration numbers yet for this mess?

http://ntldstats.com/tld

[idn]

http://ntldstats.com/tld

Thanks. Has all 3

[squirrel]

uh, 63 .ОРГ reg'd at RU-Center...

[squirrel]

uh, 63 .ОРГ reg'd at RU-Center...

unfortunate really. I still can't wrap my head around the poor decisions PIR has made. They're a top 3 worldwide TLD and then this. I really hope they pull it together.

[alpha]

for ОРГ I see 403

Not for long. I just grace deleted a bunch.

[Drewbert]

I suspect their marketing efforts in Russia were poor. This will be a TLD that takes a while to build up steam, I suspect.

The current USA/EU/Russia relationship can't be helping either. Especially the "do as we say not as we do" bullshit.

[idn]

I suspect their marketing efforts in Russia were poor. This will be a TLD that takes a while to build up steam, I suspect.



At what number would you consider it a success?

This is a nice alternative for stats:

http://namestat.org/

[Drewbert]

It'll be a success once russian [ascii].org website owners start migrating their sites over to the full IDN translit. This will be snowball event. Same goes for .ком

[DktoInc]

Domains .орг и .ком may get banned in Russia

The Russian company "Legato" filed suit in Court of Arbitration of the Samara region of the American Public Interest Registry (PIR) to defend their rights to the domain.

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/28/domen/

[Drewbert]

That would certainly take an axe to ICANN's root.

[Drewbert]

The infamous collision list? Do they plan to get rid of the reserved status at some point?

Once ICANN produces the "Collision Occurrence Assessment" for the TLD. Good luck figuring out when that will happen.

[Wot]

.机构 can actually be added at Sedo but not resolving to any parking page or otherwise as yet.

[alpha]

It'll be a success once russian [ascii].org website owners start migrating their sites over to the full IDN translit. This will be snowball event. Same goes for .ком

you really think that will happen?

the .орг launch has been a flop. And even the "successful" new gTLDs have only gotten 50k registrations, which make them a financial success for the registries, therefore negating the need to pump $ into marketing.

When .ком launches, chances are we'll all scramble to reg again, and who is to say that VRSN will do any active marketing.. they might just do what the other registries are doing, and just bank the profit.

The likely end game is we are left holding additional registrations "waiting" for the snowball. The snowball that won't come without marketing to the masses.

[idn]

.орг add 264 now 667
.机构 add 5 now 121
..संगठन add 1 now 59

[blastfromthepast]

How long should the SLDs in the block list be blocked?

The blocking should be in effect until the mitigation measures described in the respective Name Collision Occurrence Assessment have been applied.

https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-12-03-en

[IdnHost]

How long should the SLDs in the block list be blocked?

The blocking should be in effect until the mitigation measures described in the respective Name Collision Occurrence Assessment have been applied.

https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2013-12-03-en



Might as well have just said.... "we are sorry, but we have no fukin clue ourselves" why shy from the truth? :)

[idn]

The snowball that won't come without marketing to the masses.

Marketing would help, but the approach should be different than the efforts for these other new gtlds. Since орг is "already in use" a pull versus push marketing approach would seem more logical. It definitely will get more traction via word of mouth and a good start would be if end users could actually locate a registrar to register the extension. You still can't find more than a handful of places offering them.

At the end of the day, it is likely PIR doesn't even believe in their own extensions. They already have the economies of scale so probably just said fuck it, we'll take a chance.

[Drewbert]

A full IDN..IDN with content :)

http://цена.орг/

[idn]

Domains .орг и .ком may get banned in Russia

The Russian company "Legato" filed suit in Court of Arbitration of the Samara region of the American Public Interest Registry (PIR) to defend their rights to the domain.

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/28/domen/

There is no such thing as bad publicity

[idn]

In comparison .РФ currently has 822,410 registrations.

[DktoInc]

There is no such thing as bad publicity

it's not the publicity i am worried about, it's the "unti-american" courts.

Legato already tried this unsuccessfully with Icann remember? now they are hoping the Russian court would side with them. The Russian courts has been on the banning streak for a while now. ( gays, online porn, gambling, swearing, lacy underwear....)

[idn]

it's not the publicity i am worried about, it's the "unti-american" courts.

Legato already tried this unsuccessfully with Icann remember? now they are hoping the Russian court would side with them. The Russian courts has been on the banning streak for a while now. ( gays, online porn, gambling, swearing, lacy underwear....)

It is pretty much reverse domain hijacking. These risks will always be present in China and Russia. I still would be shocked if Russian courts sided with Legato.

[DktoInc]

First орг site: цемент.орг

this used to be an .рф (портландdotрф), now it's a redirect to .орг. probably no traffic on .rf

[Drewbert]

No, I think they're moved to http://цемент.орг because someone else got http://цемент.рф and cement beats portland.

.орг may carry weight as "authority website" in Russia, like it does elsewhere?

Interestingly on my Safari, цемент.рф shows as unicode, but цемент.орг as puny. :(

[idn]

.орг may carry weight as "authority website" in Russia, like it does elsewhere?



I don't know. So far domenforum seems to think of it as a joke.

[IdnHost]

.орг add 264 now 667
.机构 add 5 now 121
..संगठन add 1 now 59


Another 105 regges. Now at 772 names regged in .орг
Moving snail pace if that.

[idn]

Another 105 regges. Now at 772 names regged in .орг
Moving snail pace if that.

Better than the other two which are 1 and 0.

[Wot]

Better than the other two which are 1 and 0.

It looks like barely a handful of the 200 plus are likely to turn a profit, going to be some very unhappy faces, but it looked the likely result all along?

[Drewbert]

Well, in the long term, it has promise, I think. Surely more than the narrowly focused TLD's who've been publicly embarrassed getting pitiful sales of their "premium" domains at auction.

It'll just need awareness and that will take time.

[idn]

853. ОРГ has now passed the registrations of САЙТ.

[IdnHost]

1029. ОРГ

[idn]

Any traffic?

[IdnHost]

Any traffic?

zero traffic.

[IdnHost]

1,417. ОРГ (almost caught up with .ОНЛАЙН)

[IdnHost]

2,034. ОРГ

[idn]

2,034. ОРГ

If it gets to 200,000 I'd be slightly excited.

[IdnHost]

If it gets to 200,000 I'd be slightly excited.

Its a pretty big long shot I know, but my chances with Bosnia and Costa Rica aren't any better :)

[idn]

Its a pretty big long shot I know, but my chances with Bosnia and Costa Rica aren't any better :)

Did you get anything good during the launch?

[IdnHost]

Did you get anything good during the launch?

Nothing to write home about. Slightly more than a handfull of strong key words.

[Drewbert]

2,034. ОРГ

Slow, steady increase as more native awareness grows. I like it.

[IdnHost]

Slow, steady increase as more native awareness grows. I like it.

Websites that I'm aware of so far....
(Compiled mostly from domenforum.net)

http://цемент.орг
http://заявление.орг
http://отличныйремонт.орг
http://магия.орг
http://праздник.орг
http://климатмаркет.орг
http://www.спецмонтаж.орг
http://цена.орг
http://www.единаяроссия.орг

[IdnHost]

New sites up online in case anyones interested...

http://презенталь.орг
http://путёвки.орг
http://торг.орг

[Drewbert]

2329 .ОРГ

1751 Dynadot 75%
311 RU-CENTER 13%
204 101domain 9%

If RU-CENTER %age climbs, that would indicate increasing awareness within Russia?

[idn]

2329 .ОРГ

1751 Dynadot 75%
311 RU-CENTER 13%
204 101domain 9%

If RU-CENTER %age climbs, that would indicate increasing awareness within Russia?

In 16 days only another 295 were added. No exactly stellar.

If I had to guess almost all of these are domainers. PIR has spent zero dollars on advertising and I think the trickling of sites put up do little to create public awareness.

[IdnHost]

Recent ones up.

http://презенталь.орг/
http://лестницы.орг/
http://автопленка.орг/
http://знакомство.орг/
http://стройтех.орг/
http://красивые-окна.орг/
http://суточно.орг/

[DktoInc]

.орг+.org are now being sold as a package at RU-Center

https://www.nic.ru/action/2014/org/collection.html

[idn]

Now at 2500 lol

[idn]

Why doesn't the PIR spend any money promoting these and why would we expect something different from Verisign?

[Rubber Duck]

Why doesn't the PIR spend any money promoting these and why would we expect something different from Verisign?

Because only one of them is totally clueless.

[tee1]

I had a russian idn.org, let it drop, someone (dont believe it was a native) picked it up, the idn.org version and left the орг version. I guess they were just checking drop, no clue орг exists.:facepalm:

[idn]

To renew or not to renew. That is the question.

[squirrel]

I have kept one орг for dev in the future. I dropped all my cyrillic.orgs

[IdnHost]

Kept a few орг as well. Lottery tickets really.

[jose]

actually. Hotel = PIR reserved. Hotels = me :)

And Hotel = me :) (singular)

One year later, what to do? :(