深圳.com

[techguy]

Is anyone participating in the auction for 深圳.com?

[Wot]

I suppose if names like this are now dropping? it's a sad time.

What did it go for?

[123]

Is anyone participating in the auction for 深圳.com?

why? do you want to know what it sells for?

[techguy]

why? do you want to know what it sells for?

yes, interested to know the auction result.

[mchold]

noted

[jose]

snap auction

[bwhhisc]

yes, interested to know the auction result.

Ends Sunday, check back here late afternoon I'll post up ending result.

[techguy]

Ends Sunday, check back here late afternoon I'll post up ending result.

thanks :)

[zenmarketing]

I can't believe this name is dropping... also interested in the closing price.

[bwhhisc]

Closed at $9,138 USD.

[monkmonkey]

Where does this price fall in terms of expectations?

[bwhhisc]

Where does this price fall in terms of expectations?

I was expecting it to go for $10k- $11k, about the same as 公司.com (not a geo) but a top name that sold for about $ 10.5k or so at snapnames a few years ago.

But I think there was a snafu in the system, I tried to put a higher bid in with 2 minutes to go and it wouldn't take it. I wrote to Snapnames support, will see what they say. Anyone else try to bid towards end and system not take bid? The last bid recorded was about 3 hours before end and then no more new bids, with about 19 registered bidders that seems odd. I saw some familiar names that I expected might take a shot, but surprisingly not a single bid at "end" of auction so maybe others had problems as well.

But IMO seems that most good geos (Japanese .com cities 500k and up) have been around 2k at Snapnames, but those were few and far between and since then I think the market has stayed flat. 深圳.com was is an exceptional Chinese geo with population 7 million, and no surprise it would get a good sale. None of the top 10 Japanese .com cities have sold recently and been publically reported that I remember, and I haven't seen any Chinese .com up for sale either. Interested if anyone else has seen anything, IMO most are just holding their better names and waiting it out. Good news on the idn.idn email from google, that could be a game changer when the .com/.net gtlds finally go live.

[idn]

IMO most are just holding their better names and waiting it out.

I'd have to humbly disagree. A lot of quality drops across most languages over the last two years. Many acquired for nominal fees and many not even backordered. Names that would have sold for hundreds or thousands in 08 or 09 are dropped now and hand regged, if that. Only a few of us really have an interest with few notable exceptions. Most have no interest in buying decent, very good or at times even great idns these days here or elsewhere. Many languages people have written off including myself. In fact, I don't even look at Thai drops anywhere after the low sales price and parking revenue of the apparent top name music dot com. Other languages much much worse. How many Korean idns pay for themselves? .0000001%?

Truthfully, I fully understand why most are over it. The wait has been ridiculous. Parking revenue has been horrendous except for some anomalies in the Middle East. Native offers are extremely, extremely rare. Reselling and flipping for profit is practically unheard of and we currently have no guarantees from Verisign.

While I do try my best to be optimistic and continue to invest it is to me almost worse than when I started in 2005.

All that said, 深圳.com is one hell of a domain!!!

[techguy]

I thought the closing bid would go north of 15K for such a nice geo .com.

[123]

i would have guessed 5k maybe 10k if there is a bidding war between 2 highly motivated bidders.

So i think 10k is high in a market like that.

at the moment people are buying on hope of future increases of value. can you believe you can resell this one for 100k in the next year? I doubt it.

may still be a good value play if you believe that IDNs have a future. The opportunity to buy a geo of that size for that price are non existent in ASCII and extremly limited in IDNs.

[bwhhisc]

I'd have to humbly disagree. A lot of quality drops across most languages over the last two years. Many acquired for nominal fees and many not even backordered. Names that would have sold for hundreds or thousands in 08 or 09 are dropped now and hand regged, if that.

I would still venture that most are holding their better .com names, and many have dropped their .nets.

So wondering if anyone here is dropping their "top" .com names intentionally? (Defined as prime dictionary keywords that would be typical yellow page category headings- ie Autos, Real Estate, Credit Cards, Paint, Remodeling, Jewelry, Pets, etc. and geos......Top City Names in .com)

Wasn't long ago that members put up lists of good quality domains here for sale rather than drop them. Raymond was probably one of the more successful putting up some big lists from time to time, but probably hasn't in the last year or so. The amount names for sales here has dropped significantly IMO, mainly because of low prices, and the true quality drops at Snapnames are not significant in number.

I agree the native 'offers' have slowed but I don't sense the huge drops of IDN names, but then I don't watch the drops that much. Seems our 2006 "flippers" would jump back in the game and grab the drops and flip them for $15 to $50 here. Those were the days. :)

On total registrations, maybe Mulligan can run the .com and .net total numbers of registrations and we can see the trend over the last year. I think last two years that he reported on idn.com showed totals holding steady, or small growth. Must be some stats on 'dropped names' versus 'new registrations' would shed some light.

[NameYourself]

There is risk of geos being blocked/reserved under future new gTLDs, whether this happens remains to be seen. Its an amazing name no doubt but also alot to risk if it ends up on a block list.

Regarding the thai music purchase yes it may seem low to some, and to others they thought it was unexpectedly high, yes offers and parking revenue are very low compared to other languages. The + is that in thai most prefer .com over any other tld and much more than the cctld. This isn't the case in many locations. Japanese idns have some really great parking numbers on the other hand but stiff competition from other extensions especially .co.jp which is heavily used.

Completely agree about it being the same or worse than several years ago. Dont give up people there are actual timelines now to getting these translits approved.. it has been many years coming but we are now weeks or months from knowing how things will finally play out.

[bwhhisc]

it has been many years coming but we are now weeks or months from knowing how things will finally play out.

Its going to be a few more months at very least IMO, ball is back in ICANNs court for the moment it appears. VeriSign continues to stay the course with their plan which is good news for existing idn.com and idn.net holders.

[idn]

I would still venture that most are holding their better .com names, and many have dropped their .nets.

So wondering if anyone here is dropping their "top" .com names intentionally? (Defined as prime dictionary keywords that would be typical yellow page category headings- ie Autos, Real Estate, Credit Cards, Paint, Remodeling, Jewelry, Pets, etc. and geos......Top City Names in .com)


Not trying to be argumentative, but you name the language and I'll cite numerous examples of top names. Names that went cheap cheap by anyone's standard.

Perhaps not as many from people here, but many domains registered in the early 2000s. Trust me, I've probably paid consistent attention to daily drops for longer than any else in the world.

Honestly, although I will still pay 1000s for the right idn opportunity none of this is really exciting me anymore. I used to be thrilled when I'd land a category killer domain almost regardless of the price I'd/we'd pay. Now, many of those category killer domains don't pay for themselves and no one is knocking down the door to buy them either. Many of them have very negative ROI.

I'm far from given up on all this, but for now I feel like my idns are from the land of the misfit domains. Unwanted, broken domains. :)

Someone else on the forum recently asked me what do you think is going to happen if idn.idn plays out like we have been desperately hoping. What do you think Bill? Do you think traffic will just start pouring in and offers o plenty will begin blowing up your inbox? I'm definitely beginning to doubt it to say the least. At this point 5-10 times growth in revenue over 3-5 years would be more than I expect.

[idn]

Regarding the thai music purchase yes it may seem low...

Come on Jason it is low. That is fact. It is a top 10 Thai name that sold for less than many people's vacations. Even worse is that it generates less annual income than the bill of a 6 top on a Friday night in Pittsburgh. And that's without alcohol! ha ha.

[bwhhisc]

Not trying to be argumentative, but you name the language and I'll cite numerous examples of top names. Names that went cheap cheap by anyone's standard.

Someone else on the forum recently asked me what do you think is going to happen if idn.idn plays out like we have been desperately hoping. What do you think Bill? Do you think traffic will just start pouring in and offers o plenty will begin blowing up your inbox? I'm definitely beginning to doubt it to say the least. At this point 5-10 times growth in revenue over 3-5 years would be more than I expect.

Your not being argumentative at all, lets see if we can indeed sort out where this is all going. Frankly I have not been paying much attention to drops, everyone once in a while, I got in on Shenzhen on a fluke seeing the many bids at dynadot (although in the end it went to snapnames).

I for one don't think that once idn.idn goes live we will see any huge jump in traffic UNLESS for some reason google/ yahoo etc pushes us to page 1 and the "curiosity" of the Japanese, Chinese, Thai's, and Hindi speakers seeing these "native" language domain names gets them curious to click on and (sadly) most likely find nothing but parking pages. Lets hope there are at least some cool ads :lol:

My hope is that VeriSign uses their marketing clout and deep pockets to promote the names and offer at least new registrations at a low introductory price in native markets. (I have no reason to believe they will do that), but it makes sense that they would want to build market share and awareness then creep the prices up over time. That doesn't mean they are going to cut deals to existing .com holders, but maybe for "new regs" like godaddy does 1.99 .com promotions and tries to make it up on vertical services or future year renewals, although in their IPO they godaddy is showing some pretty nasty losses

I do strongly believe that in countries where 70+ percent of the population don't speak or read English that native language keyword IDN domains should be an advertising and marketing dream. Will it happen, I don't know but I still think they will catch on but who knows another 1, 2, 3 or even 5 years. I still think there is a parallel for IDN to the uptake of ASCII names back in 1996, 1997, 1998 and on. Only a few had the "foresight" that domain names would take off like they did, so maybe the same will happen on a smaller scale with IDN 20 years later in 2016, 2017 and 2018.

Certainly the new smartphones are also now able to search the internet and the number of people searching is growing daily, and those numbers are going to continue to climb. Hopefully they will search in native languages or look for native language names to build websites on once they know they exist. That 70% is certainly not going to search in English, so maybe we'll get lucky. Some will argue that .cn, .ru, .in will always rule in native countries, but if I am a serious advertising company trying to corner my market with online marketing I want ALL the extensions ascii and idn, including idn.com.

[NameYourself]

My hope is that VeriSign uses their marketing clout and deep pockets to promote the names and offer at least new registrations at a low introductory price in native markets. (I have no reason to believe they will do that), but it makes sense that they would want to build market share and awareness then creep the prices up over time.

That is their goal as I see it. They mentioned on the last earnings call that there will need to be substantial promotion and partnering to build that awareness with foreign registrars. It's not clear how that might affect prices whether cheap or expensive - it could vary from one tld to another but they do plan on doing extensive native marketing to build awareness.

[NameYourself]

it generates less annual income than the bill of a 6 top on a Friday night in Pittsburgh. And that's without alcohol!

still gets a bottle of Dom at Habitat ;)

[zenmarketing]

I think it was a fair price, not too expensive, and not too cheap either.

[123]

Come on Jason it is low. That is fact. It is a top 10 Thai name that sold for less than many people's vacations. Even worse is that it generates less annual income than the bill of a 6 top on a Friday night in Pittsburgh. And that's without alcohol! ha ha.

i am not sure but it had only 30-60k exact searches/month? or am i wrong?

深圳.com had that per day!! so i think it is a lot considering that the term and thai traffic has a rather low PPC.

[NameYourself]

i am not sure but it had only 30-60k exact searches/month? or am i wrong?

深圳.com had that per day!! so i think it is a lot considering that the term and thai traffic has a rather low PPC.

It actually has 2,740,000 /mo
深圳 only has 40,500

[123]

It actually has 2,740,000 /mo
深圳 only has 40,500

ok then i made a mistake when checking the G stats but i am sure that 深圳 has far more than 40,500/mo. baidu is showing ~25k/day for 深圳. Google market share is small in China.

i checked again and i thought we were talking about this domain: เพลง.com
When i enter this in adwords i only get 1k/day impressions...

[NameYourself]

Yes great point to remember:

Google Market Share (thailand): 99% = 2,740,000
Google Market Share (china) 3% so 40,500 x 33 = 1,336,500

to get a more general idea of total searches as a whole.

[NameYourself]

Also interesting since you mentioned baidu is showing 25,000 exact /day which equals 750,000 /month:

Baidu Market Share (china) 63%: 750,000/.63 = 1,190,476

exact searches per month on the internet as a whole, pretty close to confirming the number from google's 3%.

[mchold]

it is poisoned

[Drewbert]

I don't think you can group Chinese in with Japanese, Thai, and Hindi. Verisign lost the obvious IDNgTLD to CNNIC.

I had hundreds of Chinese .com's and quite a few .net's. I expect to end up with less than 10 by the time I've finished dumping them. It'll take years for Verisign to get any market share with whatever they eventually end up with, if ever. They lost their 1st mover advantage the day CNNIC trumped them.

I peaked at >9000 domains (ASCII and IDN), with the various screw-up's in firing up the IDN market, and Google screwing the parking market, I'll be below 5000 total fairly shortly, and still heading south after that.

[Wot]

it is poisoned


I see your signature. Is there any market at all for ASCII.中国?

[mchold]

yes it is
please search RMB RATES with any search engine

[idn]

I don't think you can group Chinese in with Japanese, Thai, and Hindi.

There are differences, but parking revenue is low across the board and offers are pretty much non-existent.

If the race ever began I agree the horses would have different odds, but I still have no idea which language would be the favorite.

[idn]

still gets a bottle of Dom at Habitat ;)

The way things are going I better stick to Korbel.

[TrafficDomainer]

Come on Jason it is low. That is fact. It is a top 10 Thai name that sold for less than many people's vacations. Even worse is that it generates less annual income than the bill of a 6 top on a Friday night in Pittsburgh. And that's without alcohol! ha ha.

เพลง.com (music.com) is one of the top Thai IDNs no doubt. However, I personally didn't bid higher for the domain partially because it's not an easy domain to monitize, at least as far as I am concerned (Thais mostly get their music from free downloads and etc) as well as the uncertainty of how things will play out with idn.idn. The low ppc for this term doesn't help much either. So the sale price that เพลง.com went for doe not necessarily reflect the highest potential Thai IDNs can go for. I personally have turned down offers in the $xx,xxx range for a few of my Top Thai IDNs. There are surely less offers today than what they used to be but there are still there. I think buyers are adopting the wait and see approach to see how things play out with idn.idn.

Having said that, I still think เพลง.com if properly and innovatively developed and executed can possibly generate good income for the new owner and is still a good buy in my opinion.

[Wot]

I wonder how many potential buyers are even aware of IDN.idn?

[mchold]

时间是把杀猪刀

[Rubber Duck]

There are differences, but parking revenue is low across the board and offers are pretty much non-existent.

If the race ever began I agree the horses would have different odds, but I still have no idea which language would be the favorite.

The Government Hindi ccTLD is going into sunrise soon, so that should be interesting.

[123]

The Government Hindi ccTLD is going into sunrise soon, so that should be interesting.

when?

[Rubber Duck]

when?

Next week.

[TrafficDomainer]

I wonder how many potential buyers are even aware of IDN.idn?

For Thailand, of course the general mass is not aware of the coming of idn.idn in .com but a few web developers and seo specialists are. If Verisign really markets it well, I think the market has a good chance of taking off when idn.idn becomes a reality.

[Rubber Duck]

For Thailand, of course the general mass is not aware of the coming of idn.idn in .com but a few web developers and seo specialists are. If Verisign really markets it well, I think the market has a good chance of taking off when idn.idn becomes a reality.

VeriSign does not need to do mass marketing.

They simply need to get their A List Clients to sign up and the rest of the market will follow.

[Drewbert]

What they need to do is launch the bloody things!

[IDN.IDN]

VeriSign does not need to do mass marketing.

They simply need to get their A List Clients to sign up and the rest of the market will follow.

Unfortunately, that will not do it. First, their A List Clients, if they have any, will not sign up. Even they sign up, the rest of the market will not follow.
Time to wake up.

[IDN.IDN]

My hope is that VeriSign uses their marketing clout and deep pockets to promote the names and offer at least new registrations at a low introductory price in native markets. (I have no reason to believe they will do that), but it makes sense that they would want to build market share and awareness then creep the prices up over time.

I still think there is a parallel for IDN to the uptake of ASCII names back in 1996, 1997, 1998 and on. Only a few had the "foresight" that domain names would take off like they did, so maybe the same will happen on a smaller scale with IDN 20 years later in 2016, 2017 and 2018.



VeriSign will not do that, if they are smart enough. They should know that the more marketing they do, the more damage it will make to their existing business. When more people realize the existence of IDN.IDN and many new TLDs, they will give up their meaningless ASCII.com domains, which they have to stick with in the past. Now they have a lot of more meaningful domains to choose from. Is .点看 more meaningful than .在线 or .网络? Will VeriSign spend a lot money to push .点看 to compete with so many new Chinese TLDs backed by local investors in China? That is not the kind of war they want to be in.

There is no IDN parallel to the ASCII names back in 1996. It is a very unique situation, which cannot be repeated in history. ASCII names are the only choice back then. Now IDNs have to face the established businesses and mindset. That makes huge difference investment wise.

[Rubber Duck]

Unfortunately, that will not do it. First, their A List Clients, if they have any, will not sign up. Even they sign up, the rest of the market will not follow.
Time to wake up.

No time to sit tight.

10 years of sunk investment.

By the time the next set of renewals are due the issue will be pretty much settled.

And beside revenues have been paying renewals, so why worry?

[Rubber Duck]

If your theory was true, then they would not have bothered in the first place.

There is ample evidence that they are going to a great deal of trouble to get it right.

Just because their business plan does not fit with your naïve assumption, it does not forcibly mean they are wrong.

VeriSign will not do that, if they are smart enough. They should know that the more marketing they do, the more damage it will make to their existing business. When more people realize the existence of IDN.IDN and many new TLDs, they will give up their meaningless ASCII.com domains, which they have to stick with in the past. Now they have a lot of more meaningful domains to choose from. Is .点看 more meaningful than .在线 or .网络? Will VeriSign spend a lot money to push .点看 to compete with so many new Chinese TLDs backed by local investors in China? That is not the kind of war they want to be in.

There is no IDN parallel to the ASCII names back in 1996. It is a very unique situation, which cannot be repeated in history. ASCII names are the only choice back then. Now IDNs have to face the established businesses and mindset. That makes huge difference investment wise.

[bwhhisc]

Unfortunately, that will not do it. First, their A List Clients, if they have any, will not sign up. Even they sign up, the rest of the market will not follow.
Time to wake up.

Disagree....these are "native language" domains, simply the transliteration of idn.com that has been around for more than 20 years, and idn.com around since 2000'. IDNs were first hurdled by not resolving until IE6 came along, also hampered by lack of email which appears to be working it self out.

.com is probably the only English word most of the internet using world can read and pronounce. Now audibally .com= newgtld.com. They sound alike, both will have the same owner, and both will (potentially) take you to the same destination.

They have competition, but I think they will get their market share in the overall domain mix as the markets get exposed and people begin to see them and can (finally) read them and most importantly, remember them. Just the sheer numbers of multi billion Chinese, Indians, Russians etc give them a great opportunity even at a miniscule %.

[Rubber Duck]

At some point most Asian countries will adopt their own script at the second level where recognition and comprehension is lacking. At the top level it does not really matter so much. All that is needed is certainty and awareness. Personally, I think in China IDN.com will only have serious competition from CNNIC. The ASCII versions of both are likely to be very strong. They are both established Brands.

[mgrohan]

As mentioned already in this thread Verisign's Chinese IDNs need to be considered separately from the rest, as they have been a monumental cock-up.

No matter what Verisign i don't think there is no hope for their version of .com, where the translit will actually become 'dot dot com' :lol: Especially not when there are so many better new gTLDs to choose from.

[oldguy]

I would still venture that most are holding their better .com names, and many have dropped their .nets.

So wondering if anyone here is dropping their "top" .com names intentionally? (Defined as prime dictionary keywords that would be typical yellow page category headings- ie Autos, Real Estate, Credit Cards, Paint, Remodeling, Jewelry, Pets, etc. and geos......Top City Names in .com)


I have about 50 IDNs slated to drop this year. All single word dictionary, all .com most Thai or Russian. Most I'll hang on til mid 2015. Here's a list of dot coms dropping soon. If you see any you like, send a enom username and I'll push them your way, if enom allows IDNs to be pushed. I guess they do - i push regular ones.

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