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idn1234

26th June 2006, 09:49 AM

A♠.com Ace of Spades

Note: I wasn't able to register this. Characterset error on dynadot.
Maybe someone else can figure out a way to get it.
PS: Typos in thread title.

Have you tried, domainsite.com? I just entered
the domain (xn--a-d3p.com) on there, in both
Puny and Unicode, and it's showing it as
'available'.

Good luck.

blastfromthepast

26th June 2006, 07:11 PM

Thats the thing, it show up as available, but doesn't register.

Then there is the Queen of Hearts!

Drewbert

27th June 2006, 03:58 AM

I gave it a try at opensrs and the same thing happened. Maybe Verisign has tightened up the checking to stop any more dingbats being regged?

alpha

27th June 2006, 04:23 AM

I tried a similar name and am convinced its because we're mixing dingbats with regular ascii

blastfromthepast

27th June 2006, 05:33 AM

I gave it a try at opensrs and the same thing happened. Maybe Verisign has tightened up the checking to stop any more dingbats being regged?

Alpha is right. But the rules have been tightened up. It used to be possible to register mixed symbols and Latin.

idn1234

27th June 2006, 05:38 AM

Alpha is right. But the rules have been tightened up. It used to be possible to register mixed symbols and Latin.

Well, if this has happened then it's a recent
development... I remember someone wanting
a valuation on £sterling.com only very recently
and I think they'd only just regged it.

If I were you, i'd keep trying...

blastfromthepast

27th June 2006, 06:00 AM

Well, if this has happened then it's a recent
development... I remember someone wanting
a valuation on £sterling.com only very recently
and I think they'd only just regged it.

If I were you, i'd keep trying...

Looks like its game over for new registrations of this kind. Mixed €uro domains are also failing.

As with many things in domains, get it while you can!

I had the dynadot tech team manualy try to register some dingbats recently, they failed as well.

IDNCowboy

27th June 2006, 06:04 AM

Looks like its game over for new registrations of this kind. Mixed €uro domains are also failing.

As with many things in domains, get it while you can!
That would be correct - Can't register these using domainsite...... Rules are getting stricter ;(
Dynadot - once in a while yes but most of the time NO

blastfromthepast

27th June 2006, 06:13 AM

That would be correct - Can't register these using domainsite...... Rules are getting stricter ;(
Dynadot - once in a while yes but most of the time NO

Is the http://€u.com/ guy on this forum? Good job on cleaning the house on these! Similiar domains can no longer be registered. Meaning if any of these drop, they are gone for good.

€u.com u€.com €s.com b€.com d€.com

€du.com m€d.com n€t.com n€t.net r€d.com w€b.com €cb.com €ur.net trav€l.com nam€.com €mail.com w€bmail.com

switz€rland.com sw€d€n.com d€utschland.com franc€.com unit€dkingdom.com b€rlin.com

€uropa.com €urope.com

€europe.com €europa.com

unióne€uropea.com union€uropéenne.com €uropäischeunion.com unión€uropea.com uropeanunion.com

€government.com €internet.com

s€xo.com €sex.com s€sso.com s€x€.com

busin€ss.com €conomía.com €conomie.com n€gocios.com

idn1234

27th June 2006, 06:18 AM

That would be correct - Can't register these using domainsite...... Rules are getting stricter ;(
Dynadot - once in a while yes but most of the time NO

I wonder if this is a recently imposed ICANN
rule, or if it's just registrars trying to 'clean
up their act'.

AND... is it just mixed symbol/latin scripts that
are affected or can you also no longer reg <just>
symbol domains? (e.g. €€€.com).

IDNCowboy

27th June 2006, 06:32 AM

I wonder if this is a recently imposed ICANN
rule, or if it's just registrars trying to 'clean
up their act'.

AND... is it just mixed symbol/latin scripts that
are affected or can you also no longer reg <just>
symbol domains? (e.g. €€€.com).
Lotsa stuff as long as it has mixed scripts :(
doesn't really matter if its dingbat or not

blastfromthepast

27th June 2006, 06:41 AM

I wonder if this is a recently imposed ICANN
rule, or if it's just registrars trying to 'clean
up their act'.

AND... is it just mixed symbol/latin scripts that
are affected or can you also no longer reg <just>
symbol domains? (e.g. €€€.com).

All taken:

€.com
€€.com
€€€.com
€€€€.com
€€€€€.com
€€€€€€.com <--- just got it

idn1234

27th June 2006, 06:53 AM

£££££.com
5poundsymbols.com
fivepoundsymbols.com

£€.com
€£.com

All still available!

blastfromthepast

27th June 2006, 07:39 AM

£££££.com
5poundsymbols.com
fivepoundsymbols.com

£€.com
€£.com

All still available!

Problem is, can UK users type in €?

gus

8th December 2006, 04:20 PM

Is the http://€u.com/ guy on this forum? Good job on cleaning the house on these! Similiar domains can no longer be registered. Meaning if any of these drop, they are gone for good.

€u.com u€.com €s.com b€.com d€.com

€du.com m€d.com n€t.com n€t.net r€d.com w€b.com €cb.com €ur.net trav€l.com nam€.com €mail.com w€bmail.com

switz€rland.com sw€d€n.com d€utschland.com franc€.com unit€dkingdom.com b€rlin.com

€uropa.com €urope.com

€europe.com €europa.com

unióne€uropea.com union€uropéenne.com €uropäischeunion.com unión€uropea.com uropeanunion.com

€government.com €internet.com

s€xo.com €sex.com s€sso.com s€x€.com

busin€ss.com €conomía.com €conomie.com n€gocios.com
Hello there
I'm the owner of €u.com (http://xn--u-wpn.com/)
how are you guys doing?
gus

Rubber Duck

8th December 2006, 05:18 PM

Problem is, can UK users type in €?

Yes, but not everyone will know how £$€! You have have to use Alt Gr $. Unless you have a newer keyboard than me in which case it is probably already there!

gus

8th December 2006, 05:37 PM

I'm not sure what are you talking about, but I have tested €u.com in continental Europe and they have the € symbol in the keyboard since they introduced the currency in Europe, since England doesn't use the euro is irrelevant if they have it or not.

lyndonmaxewell

8th December 2006, 05:58 PM

blastfromthepast

8th December 2006, 06:31 PM

Hello there
I'm the owner of €u.com
how are you guys doing?
gus

We are doing well. 1000€.com is getting some hits. And the £.com guy is getting famous due to a mention in the papers.

gus

8th December 2006, 06:53 PM

"Okay, the main thing would be, does it get traffic, now?"

Yes they do
not much but they do

despite the fact that this is a good question, it may not be the most appropiate one at this point in time.

If these domains were getting a lot of traffic they would be on the mainstream secondary domain market and, then they would be worth a lot of money by now.
(and we wouldn't be talking about it in this forum)

so here is what we need to consider regarding these of domains
1. how are they working now with IE7?
2. what is the value of the domain for branding?
3. since you can not register these type of domains anymore, are they any more valuable?

it seems vey unlikely that anyone would type an € symbol followed by latin characters in a browser, so only an intensive PR or a lot of luck will unveil to the general public these domains.

it happened with £.com so is just matter of time.

Drewbert

8th December 2006, 08:30 PM

4. will they still work when IETF completes it's update of nameprep, and those rules are incorporated in browser updates?

Rubber Duck

8th December 2006, 08:51 PM

4. will they still work when IETF completes it's update of nameprep, and those rules are incorporated in browser updates?

From what I read of the ICANN IDN Workshop transcripts there is not much hope for Dingbat or Special Characters, but who knows?

gus

8th December 2006, 11:34 PM

4. will they still work when IETF completes it's update of nameprep, and those rules are incorporated in browser updates?

good point

blastfromthepast

9th December 2006, 07:55 AM

The document to study is http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-faltstrom-idnabis-tables-01.txt

gus

9th December 2006, 12:24 PM

Thanks Blastfromthepast, I know the document quite well.
I've been crossing my fingers, hoping it won't be implemented.

Rubber Duck

9th December 2006, 12:27 PM

Thanks Blastfromthepast, I know the document quite well.
I've been crossing my fingers, hoping it won't be implemented.

This is obviously a complete list of what they may not include. I would interpret the Maybies as being probably OK, but subject to confirmation.

blackops

9th December 2006, 12:29 PM

Thanks Blastfromthepast, I know the document quite well.
I've been crossing my fingers, hoping it won't be implemented.

You won't need to hope, ICANN haven't got a leg to stand on as far as deleting existing (symbol-based) domains is concerned. If they try to do it they will guarantee themselves a legal challenge and a great deal of adverse publicity.

blastfromthepast

9th December 2006, 08:28 PM

You won't need to hope, ICANN haven't got a leg to stand on as far as deleting existing (symbol-based) domains is concerned. If they try to do it they will guarantee themselves a legal challenge and a great deal of adverse publicity.

I think we need to form a group of symbol domain owners to protest their move, and present logical arguments as to why they are good domains.

gus

9th December 2006, 09:57 PM

I think we need to form a group of symbol domain owners to protest their move, and present logical arguments as to why they are good domains.

good idea
any suggestions?

Drewbert

10th December 2006, 05:25 AM

You won't need to hope, ICANN haven't got a leg to stand on as far as deleting existing (symbol-based) domains is concerned. If they try to do it they will guarantee themselves a legal challenge and a great deal of adverse publicity.

I look forward to watching your legal attack.

They once let domains beginning with a hyphen get registered, and a bunch were, and then they killed them off.

The guy that (supposedly) had an agreement with Postel to start .web paid ICANN $50,000 to be considered (fro about 5 seconds) as a new gTLD - along with a large number of other people.

These guys don't give a shit about a bunch of tinpot domain name owners - didn't you read they agreed unanimously tot eh new org/info (etc) contract even though they weren't even due for renewal?

I think we need to form a group of symbol domain owners to protest their move, and present logical arguments as to why they are good domains.

Like I've said before, if you stood up at an ICANN meeting proudly proclaiming yourself as an IDN investor, you'd get lynched.

Proclaiming yourself as a symbol domain investor, you'd probably get laughed at, THEN lynched.

lyndonmaxewell

10th December 2006, 05:40 AM

Yea, in fact (can i say) all the symbol domain owners are domain investors. havent seen one that is used for other than that (business etc.) so who's gonna back us up?

blastfromthepast

10th December 2006, 06:28 AM

Yea, in fact (can i say) all the symbol domain owners are domain investors. havent seen one that is used for other than that (business etc.) so who's gonna back us up?

http://©.com/ and http://®.com/ are being used.

lyndonmaxewell

10th December 2006, 06:44 AM

http://©.com/ and http://®.com/ are being used.

one or two chips arent gonna get you anywhere on the gambling table, with the banker being ICANN.

blastfromthepast

10th December 2006, 07:04 AM

one or two chips arent gonna get you anywhere on the gambling table, with the banker being ICANN.

So then its time to fold and cut the losses.

blackops

11th December 2006, 10:16 AM

gus

11th December 2006, 10:26 AM

According with the memo, they don't really have to delete the domains, but after the "normalization" they just simply won't resolve.

What about the fact that the document Expires April 26, 2007?
is that any good?

Rubber Duck

11th December 2006, 10:27 AM

ICANN are not able to delete symbol-based domains from the net, it's as simple as that. If they try to do this it will create a new legal precedent and will directly contravene every form of registration right as they relate to domain names.

If ICANN genuinely want to 'clean up' the internet they can start with the THOUSANDS of pornographic and inciteful names they have allowed to be registered over the last 15 years...

ICANN have never explicitly sanctioned Dingbat or even Symbols. Verisign really went out on a limb with IDN and ICANN has been playing catch up.

If ICANN move to an inclusive Unicode system, which is what the latest standard will be then they cannot really be accused of anything if that standard no longer supports Dingbats. Verisign might have a problem, but I think contractually you will just be entitled to another name.

blackops

11th December 2006, 11:18 AM

ICANN have never explicitly sanctioned Dingbat or even Symbols.

Actually, they did explicitly sanction them (courtesy of their RFC document).

gus

11th December 2006, 04:02 PM

do you guys think that deleting the ccTLD .su (Soviet Union) could create a precedence?

"Kommersant Daily wrote Monday that if the corporation goes ahead with its plan many Russian companies may suffer losses. Some of them have already threatened ICANN with lawsuits.

The domain .su was registered in September 1990. But in 1994 when Russia’s .ru was introduced the registration of .su names was suspended to be resumed in December 2002 only for brand owners. A year later the .su extension again became available to all users.

Today, there are approximately 8,000 domain names registered with the .su ending in the Internet. Elimination of the Soviet-era suffix may cause considerable damage to their owners, who have already put up cash for advertising of their websites. Some of those companies have already said that they could sue ICANN.

One of those is the pro-Kremlin youth group Nashi, whose website is registered with the .su suffix. “Should the domain be eliminated our lawyers will examine the issue and will stand up for the movement’s rights in court,” Nashi spokesman Robert Shlegel told Kommersant"