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wdsbg
4th July 2006, 07:48 PM
Great Keyword!

xn--b1aljek6azd.com фильмов.com Films.com


12,600,000 Results in Google
42 504 934 Results in Yandex.ru
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Start $50
Minimum increment $50.
Aution ends 48hrs after last bid.

Rubber Duck
4th July 2006, 08:07 PM
$50

Great Keyword!

xn--b1aljek6azd.com фильмов.com Films.com


12,600,000 Results in Google
42 504 934 Results in Yandex.ru


Start $50
Minimum increment $50.
Aution ends 48hrs after last bid.

alpha
4th July 2006, 08:15 PM
$100 pending

thefabfive
4th July 2006, 08:28 PM
I think this domain need a little clarification as I don't believe the translation is exactly correct.

Alpha - feel free to delete this post if a native speaker confirms translation but I believe this means "of films" or something similar. The main term for "films" is фильмы. This term, фильмов, seems to be used only with other terms.

Blast, Explorer any advice?

alpha
4th July 2006, 08:36 PM
thanks Fab for the heads up.

I am withdrawing my bid, pending clarification.

wdsbg
4th July 2006, 09:03 PM
I've just asked a native speaker and I get this answer:

Yes, it's films/movies (Genitive Plural). Nominative would be фильмы.

So I think it's OK.
But let's see what blastfromthepast will say.

Rubber Duck
4th July 2006, 09:39 PM
My bid stands

mulligan
4th July 2006, 09:48 PM
Well I know jack about Russian but it you 'trend' it with Sarcles Russian that just sold....
HERE (http://www.google.com/trends?q=%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%2C+%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2)

Rubber Duck
4th July 2006, 09:50 PM
Well I know jack about Russian but it you 'trend' it with Sarcles Russian that just sold....
HERE (http://www.google.com/trends?q=%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%2C+%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2)

That's why my bid stands. What did you go and do that for?;)

thefabfive
4th July 2006, 10:06 PM
I'll gladly retract my comments if we get a clear understanding of the definition.

One caveat about Google trends though - if a term appears as part of a two word combo then Google counts that as a search for either term separatly. Take for example моя - this is "my" in Russian but is only used with other terms - ie. моя игра (my game), моя книга (my book). But моя has great Google trends (http://google.com/trends?q=моя, фильмов&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all) charts because it is used so often in combination with other words.

555
4th July 2006, 10:12 PM
Fab is right...dont always trust google trends i.e компании.com (my domain) which to the best of my knoweldge is no good alone..if wrong let me know..but thats the same story like filmov discussed above (i think)

sarcle
4th July 2006, 10:12 PM
I'll gladly retract my comments if we get a clear understanding of the definition.

One caveat about Google trends though - if a term appears as part of a two word combo then Google counts that as a search for either term separatly. Take for example моя - this is "my" in Russian but is only used with other terms - ie. моя игра (my game), моя книга (my book). But моя has great Google trends (http://google.com/trends?q=моя, фильмов&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all) charts because it is used so often in combination with other words.

I can comment on this and say that is correct. Even if the word is part of a two word combination Google Trends will still count the word as being active all by itself.

Explorer
4th July 2006, 10:13 PM
Correct word for films is "фильмы".

mulligan
4th July 2006, 10:14 PM
I was just checking a name that I know is not a stand-alone -- книгу

Trend (http://www.google.com/trends?q=%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%83%2C+%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%2C++&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all)

Someone who knows what they are talking about please comment

Explorer
4th July 2006, 10:15 PM
Fab is right...dont always trust google trends i.e компании.com (my domain) which to the best of my knoweldge is no good alone..if wrong let me know..but thats the same story like filmov discussed above

компании means companies and it's a great domain on a stand alone basis.

I was just checking a name of mine that I know is not a stand-alone -- книгу

Trend (http://www.google.com/trends?q=%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%83%2C+%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%2C++&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all)

Someone who knows what they are talking about please comment

You are correct. It's not a good stand-alone domain.

555
4th July 2006, 10:18 PM
.

mulligan
4th July 2006, 10:20 PM
Please remember this is still a live auction and not an apprasial thread . Can you guys edit irrelevant content from your posts?

Explorer
4th July 2006, 10:21 PM
Explorer thank you for that...i thought its no good :) so ill try 1last example косметики.com

This one is not good on a stand-alone basis. The right word is косметика, which was regged in 2001, I think .

wdsbg
4th July 2006, 11:30 PM
Please let see what blast will say about it.
Also I'll let mods to decide if this word means films or not please if you decide it meanse pelase delete all comments and leave only the bids.
And please guys stop posting comments it's not an discuss forum it's the auction area!
If you have any comments or questions about this name please PM me!

Thanks!
So what is the final decesion?
If it's OK I really prefer to start new thread .
Also the google results for this word increase to 28,100,000 for one night thats x2 !!!

alpha
5th July 2006, 07:21 AM
Please let see what blast will say about it.
Also I'll let mods to decide if this word means films or not please if you decide it meanse pelase delete all comments and leave only the bids.
And please guys stop posting comments it's not an discuss forum it's the auction area!
If you have any comments or questions about this name please PM me!

Thanks!
So what is the final decesion?
If it's OK I really prefer to start new thread .
Also the google results for this word increase to 28,100,000 for one night thats x2 !!!

I've put a call out for Blast.
I suggest waiting to see. Then we can trash all non bid posts if you wish.

energia
5th July 2006, 09:20 AM
Please let see what blast will say about it.
Also I'll let mods to decide if this word means films or not please if you decide it meanse pelase delete all comments and leave only the bids.
And please guys stop posting comments it's not an discuss forum it's the auction area!
If you have any comments or questions about this name please PM me!


I just don't understand how you can let someone to decide what a certain word means or not. The word has its meaning already in spite of someone else's decision. You've got several Russian speakers confirming that "фильмов" means "of films" and it's not a stand-alone word in the Russian language (I'm also a Russian speaker and confirm that). With all my respect for blastfromthepast (since he's the only reliable source for you), so what if he decides that "a table" in Russian means "a chair" in English, will you be fine with that?

Also, I think it's fair for people to post comments regarding the meaning of the word since there is so much uncertainty about it. When you buy something, you kind of want to be sure what this actually is, don't you?

Rubber Duck
5th July 2006, 09:31 AM
I just don't understand how you can let someone to decide what a certain word means or not. The word has its meaning already in spite of someone else's decision. You've got several Russian speakers confirming that "фильмов" means "of films" and it's not a stand-alone word in the Russian language (I'm also a Russian speaker and confirm that). With all my respect for blastfromthepast (since he's the only reliable source for you), so what if he decides that "a table" in Russian means "a chair" in English, will you be fine with that?

Also, I think it's fair for people to post comments regarding the meaning of the word since there is so much uncertainty about it. When you buy something, you kind of want to be sure what this actually is, don't you?

Blast is an established and reliable source of translation of the forum. Nobody is saying that he is the only one who knows, but because most Members are almost anonymous it is difficult sometimes to know who knows what. Blast will certainly not call a table a chair. There is absolutely no fear of that. I am confident he will confirm that it is Genative (Possessive) Pural.

What none of us can be certain of is what people will search on or what is typed in, as the only data available doesn't appear to differentiate. Even as a Russian speaker, you cannot know these things for sure.

Furthermore, one of the big pluses for IDN is their benefit on Search Ranking or SEO. It is far from clear how this going to work, but I suspect that somehow all the various endings will be parsed out by the Search Algorythms, if not now then probably later. In other words, all tenses and cases are likely to be equated so in ranking terms this could be as valuable as what is regarded as the primary term.

energia
5th July 2006, 09:49 AM
Blast is an established and reliable source of translation of the forum. Nobody is saying that he is the only one who knows, but because most Members are almost anonymous it is difficult sometimes to know who knows what. Blast will certainly not call a table a chair. There is absolutely no fear of that. I am confident he will confirm that it is Genative (Possessive) Pural.

What none of us can be certain of is what people will search on or what is typed in, as the only data available doesn't appear to differentiate. Even as a Russian speaker, you cannot know these things for sure.


I think you misunderstood me a little bit or, perhaps, I was not good enough to articulate myself, but what I meant was:
1.we can’t rely on only one source of information no matter how good it is
2.we can’t “decide” on the meaning of words
3.I’m not making any statements about the value of this domain, but speaking about how it is translated into Russian language.

burnsinternet
5th July 2006, 10:08 AM
Objective Data from Overture:

фильмов

40 интернет магазин фильмов
38 магазины фильмов
36 из музыка фильмов
30 видеомонтаж свадебных фильмов


фильмы

2500 скачать фильмы
1648 фильмы
385 порно фильмы
362 бесплатные фильмы
324 фильмы скачать бесплатно
142 скачать порно фильмы
133 dvd фильмы
116 каталог фильмы
84 фильмы почтой
70 скачать порно фильмы бесплатно
65 фильмы бесплатно
55 эротические фильмы
47 скачать бесплатные фильмы
40 фильмы на dvd
40 фильмы для кпк
40 онлайн фильмы
38 фильмы 3gp
38 самые новые фильмы
37 бесплатные порно фильмы
37 новые фильмы
35 фильмы с доставкой
34 еротические фильмы
34 качать фильмы
33 бесплатно скачать старые фильмы
32 русские фильмы
30 кпк фильмы
28 порно фильмы бесплатно

alpha
5th July 2006, 10:38 AM
I think you misunderstood me a little bit or, perhaps, I was not good enough to articulate myself, but what I meant was:
1.we can’t rely on only one source of information no matter how good it is
2.we can’t “decide” on the meaning of words
3.I’m not making any statements about the value of this domain, but speaking about how it is translated into Russian language.

Energia: we welcome all comments, but please understand that credibility is what counts here. With respect, you have posted 11 times since January and have no sales history, and we don't know you.

This does not mean we do not respect your comments, it simply means means we are awaiting for a respected and known member of our community to appraise.

I trust you understand.

Explorer
5th July 2006, 10:59 AM
Energia: we welcome all comments, but please understand that credibility is what counts here. With respect, you have posted 11 times since January and have no sales history, and we don't know you.

This does not mean we do not respect your comments, it simply means means we are awaiting for a respected and known member of our community to appraise.

I trust you understand.


I am also a little confused. If several native Russian speakers suggest that фильмов is not a stand-alone word and фильмы is the right word for films, what's the benefit of waiting for another Russian speaking person to confirm that.

Anyhow, let's wait for Blast and see what he has to say.

bwhhisc
5th July 2006, 11:20 AM
I am also a little confused. If several native Russian speakers suggest that фильмов is not a stand-alone word and фильмы is the right word for films, what's the benefit of waiting for another Russian speaking person to confirm that.

I'm confused with you Explorer.
But also think this word might used by some (albeit in error) and have some nice value.

alpha
5th July 2006, 11:56 AM
I am also a little confused. If several native Russian speakers suggest that фильмов is not a stand-alone word and фильмы is the right word for films, what's the benefit of waiting for another Russian speaking person to confirm that.

Anyhow, let's wait for Blast and see what he has to say.

Explorer, I didn't know you were Russian, or speak Russian!

I don't know whether you live in Russia or not, but assuming you do, it would be helpful if people would start completing the "Location" field on the profile overview - it would take a lot of guesswork out of it.

Then we know what we need to - thanks Explorer.

wdsbg: if you are still selling this domain, can I suggest that you start another sales thread, but incorporate the comments by Explorer and RD. something along the lines of "not valid as a stand-alone word, but may have value from a SEO perspective".

I will then close this thread.

energia
5th July 2006, 12:09 PM
Energia: we welcome all comments, but please understand that credibility is what counts here. With respect, you have posted 11 times since January and have no sales history, and we don't know you.

This does not mean we do not respect your comments, it simply means means we are awaiting for a respected and known member of our community to appraise.

I trust you understand.

Alphamale: of course, I understand what you're saying and can't disagree with that. But what if the member of the community you're talking about isn't available, does it mean that everything has to stop? There must be other ways to verify the translation, right?

Also, yes, you don't know me, but there are members who know me pretty well and can confirm my credibility if necessary. As for the absence of sales, I don't think it's a good indicator of my credibility. Most of my domains are russian and I just don't think it's the best time to sell them and prefer to wait. I hope you see my point as well.

alpha
5th July 2006, 12:14 PM
Alphamale: of course, I understand what you're saying and can't disagree with that. But what if the member of the community you're talking about isn't available, does it mean that everything has to stop? There must be other ways to verify the translation, right?

Also, yes, you don't know me, but there are members who know me pretty well and can confirm my credibility if necessary. As for the absence of sales, I don't think it's a good indicator of my credibility. Most of my domains are russian and I just don't think it's the best time to sell them and prefer to wait. I hope you see my point as well.

nothing has to stop at all. Native speakers are under no obligation to comment.
There was nothing stopping this sale proceeding. But most here trade on a 7 day money back guarantee in case of mis translation anyway.

I do see your point, and I meant no offense.

Rubber Duck
5th July 2006, 05:12 PM
This has turned in to Farce. I retract my bid.

idn
5th July 2006, 06:03 PM
[QUOTE=Alphamale]

I don't know whether you live in Russia or not, but assuming you do,
QUOTE]

Come on, you know better!

wdsbg
5th July 2006, 06:37 PM
So if there're no bids for this name mods you can del it or move to discuss section just to see what blast will say.

alpha
5th July 2006, 06:39 PM
relocated to Russian IDN section for post-mortem and general banter

sarcle
5th July 2006, 07:38 PM
Energia: we welcome all comments, but please understand that credibility is what counts here. With respect, you have posted 11 times since January and have no sales history, and we don't know you.

This does not mean we do not respect your comments, it simply means means we are awaiting for a respected and known member of our community to appraise.

I trust you understand.

Well now I have to vouch. I have known Energia for many years. She is the reason I have the words that I do. She is from Russia (living there now) and spent a few years going to the college I attended. That's how we meet. I have almost daily contact with her and if she says this word is what it is. It is indeed what it is. That is if my word means anything here.

Adam

Rubber Duck
5th July 2006, 08:09 PM
Well now I have to vouch. I have known Energia for many years. She is the reason I have the words that I do. She is from Russia (living there now) and spent a few years going to the college I attended. That's how we meet. I have almost daily contact with her and if she says this word is what it is. It is indeed what it is. That is if my word means anything here.

Adam

Perhaps an introduction was what was required all along?

Thanks Adam

alpha
5th July 2006, 08:11 PM
Well now I have to vouch. I have known Energia for many years. She is the reason I have the words that I do. She is from Russia (living there now) and spent a few years going to the college I attended. That's how we meet. I have almost daily contact with her and if she says this word is what it is. It is indeed what it is. That is if my word means anything here.

Adam

That's great to hear, but how do we know this without first hearing from established members like you?

We've been stung lately by impersonators, spammers and multiple account holders - maybe we are just a little over zealous. I think people here need to use the forum tools more, use the location field to specify your location - use the reputation score etc..

.. i'm certainly no mind reader ...

sarcle
5th July 2006, 08:33 PM
Perhaps an introduction was what was required all along?

Thanks Adam


That's great to hear, but how do we know this without first hearing from established members like you?

We've been stung lately by impersonators, spammers and multiple account holders - maybe we are just a little over zealous. I think people here need to use the forum tools more, use the location field to specify your location - use the reputation score etc..

.. i'm certainly no mind reader ...

Sure no problem guys. I understand the reason for the grilling. I know there are no hard feelings here, between her or me with any of you.

Energia meet the forum. :)

P.S. She's a little shy.

alpha
5th July 2006, 09:07 PM
...She is the reason I have the words that I do...

really? :p

sarcle
6th July 2006, 12:00 AM
really?

Believe me she's got much better performing ppc russian words than I do. Much better. :) Smart ASS! :p

blastfromthepast
6th July 2006, 01:19 AM
Hey, it means "table"! Just kidding.

Sorry for the late reply, it was time to heed by own advice and take a holiday for a few days.

фильмы = Films
фильм = Film
фильмов = [something of] Films. Does not mean Films by itself.

Explorer does indeed speak Russian and has made comments on people's translations on this forum that are 100% correct.

Every one else: use the tools. As Burns showed, you can even often tell from the stats alone if is used in compounds only or if it is good standlone.

Alphamale: of course, I understand what you're saying and can't disagree with that. But what if the member of the community you're talking about isn't available, does it mean that everything has to stop?

Yes. Everything stops.

energia
6th July 2006, 06:32 AM
She is the reason I have the words that I do... really? :p

Not the 'boobs' one though :)

Nice to meet you all, guys. I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship...

sarcle
6th July 2006, 01:54 PM
Not the 'boobs' one though :)


You didn't teach me that one? Maybe it was that other Russian girl that followed me home after that one drunken Russian Birthday party in Manhattan wearing the Boston T-shirt? "да да да" :eek: