Can you Beat out Rick Swartz Top 50 ?

[thegenius1]

According to his website http://eRealEstate.com this is Mr. Schwartz Top 50 websites in development

http://www.erealestate.com/virtual/domains.htm#

wholesalejewelry.com
wholesalefurniture.com
efurniture.com
tradeshows.com
birthdayparty.com
freevacation.com
ecruise.com
etrip.com
ereservations.com
evacation.com
gocruising.com
gostandby.com
freememberships.com
emovie.com
virtualdiet.com
personalads.com
lonelypeople.com
cubiczirconia.com
wholesalejewelers.com
epolice.com
queen.com
saywhen.com
ejoke.com
fishingtackle.com
visitorsbureau.com
realistic.com
auctionsonline.com
stockinsider.com
men.com
voyeur.com
cheating.com
properties.com
unemployed.com
candy.com
goingplaces.com
bulkmail.com
realestateforsale.com
sexo.com
buywholesale.com
buycloseouts.com
discountprice.com
discountreservations.com
bargainmania.com
ebet.com
ebingo.com
jackpotbingo.com
indiancasino.com
dailydouble.com
handicapper.com
tipsheet.com
tipline.com
salestips.com
lawtips.com
styletips.com
watching.com
onlinereview.com
onlineawards.com
modelhome.com

In all fairness the site does say "Keep in mind most words here were written in 1996-1999!"

And we know he has aquired alot of new names recently like property.com & properties.com ect.

[IDNCowboy]

According to his website http://eRealEstate.com this is Mr. Swartz Top 50 websites in development

http://www.erealestate.com/virtual/domains.htm#

wholesalejewelry.com
wholesalefurniture.com
efurniture.com
tradeshows.com
birthdayparty.com
freevacation.com
ecruise.com
etrip.com
ereservations.com
evacation.com
gocruising.com
gostandby.com
freememberships.com
emovie.com
virtualdiet.com
personalads.com
lonelypeople.com
cubiczirconia.com
wholesalejewelers.com
epolice.com
queen.com
saywhen.com
ejoke.com
fishingtackle.com
visitorsbureau.com
realistic.com
auctionsonline.com
stockinsider.com
men.com
voyeur.com
cheating.com
properties.com
unemployed.com
candy.com
goingplaces.com
bulkmail.com
realestateforsale.com
sexo.com
buywholesale.com
buycloseouts.com
discountprice.com
discountreservations.com
bargainmania.com
ebet.com
ebingo.com
jackpotbingo.com
indiancasino.com
dailydouble.com
handicapper.com
tipsheet.com
tipline.com
salestips.com
lawtips.com
styletips.com
watching.com
onlinereview.com
onlineawards.com
modelhome.com

In all fairness the site does say "Keep in mind most words here were written in 1996-1999!"

And we know he has aquired alot of new names recently like property.com & properties.com ect.
Well this guy is lucky

http://www.erealestate.com/virtual/history.htm

He must have had rich parents cause he was already making alot of $ in the very beginning.

[Olney]

I'm sure his current portfolio beats the pants out of any of those listed here but...

I'll try list some relative terms I own in Japanese

his wholesalejewelry.com - my Diamond, platinum, gold

his freevacation.com ecruise.com etrip.com
MY - CheapVacation(Travel), CheapTickets, CheapHotel, OverSeasHotel

His - ereservations.com
My - OnlineReservations

His - emovie.com
My - MovieDownloads

His - virtualdiet.com
My - Calories, or Sweat

His - ejoke.com
My - Bloopers(Happening)

His - stockinsider.com
My - StockExchange, DayTrader

His - unemployed.com
My - Moonlighting, TempingAgency(keep forgetting the best way to say in English), CareerInfo

His - discountprice.com
My - Sale.com

His - indiancasino.com, ebet.com, ebingo.com ,jackpotbingo.com,indiancasino.com, dailydouble.com
My - Roulette, PokerAffiliates, CasinoAffiliates



These are all com & jp
And I think we can try to learn from his regs before 2000 & I hope I had the same strategy he was thinking back then.
Also he's rich & I'm not yet so his currently portfolio we might not be able to touch...
But I'll play matchup with the old portfolio...

[IDNCowboy]

I'm sure his current portfolio beats the pants out of any of those listed here but...

I'll try list some relative terms I own in Japanese

his wholesalejewelry.com - my Diamond, platinum, gold

his freevacation.com ecruise.com etrip.com
MY - CheapVacation(Travel), CheapTickets, CheapHotel, OverSeasHotel

His - ereservations.com
My - OnlineReservations

His - emovie.com
My - MovieDownloads

His - virtualdiet.com
My - Calories, or Sweat

His - ejoke.com
My - Bloopers(Happening)

His - stockinsider.com
My - StockExchange, DayTrader

His - unemployed.com
My - Moonlighting, TempingAgency(keep forgetting the best way to say in English), CareerInfo

His - discountprice.com
My - Sale.com

His - indiancasino.com, ebet.com, ebingo.com ,jackpotbingo.com,indiancasino.com, dailydouble.com
My - Roulette, PokerAffiliates, CasinoAffiliates



These are all com & jp
And I think we can try to learn from his regs before 2000 & I hope I had the same strategy he was thinking back then.
Also he's rich & I'm not yet so his currently portfolio we might be able to touch...
But I'll play matchup with the old portfolio...
I'd keep using the strategy you're using as your regs so far are better than his :P
No doubt they will make more $

OnlineReservations better than ereservations etc

[Drewbert]

It's Schwartz, not Swartz.

</pedant>

[rofsjan]

His story is very impressive.
I love digital pipe lines bringing you money 24x7!

[IDNCowboy]

I've narrowed down the search

Rick Schwartz is a poster on the board. He has thousands of IDNs. His alises are "Rubber Duck" and "Drewbert"

I think he is posting from two different IPs.

;-)







...j/k

[thegenius1]

I've narrowed down the search

Rick Schwartz is a poster on the board. He has thousands of IDNs. His alises are "Rubber Duck" and "Drewbert"

I think he is posting from two different IPs.

;-)

...j/k


Ah you maybe on to something ..... Sorry Drew Schwartz copy and paste errr ;) Welcome to our board ! It all makes sense now

[555]

Erealestate.com displays 7 domains on it's homepage,
other then 2 with "good" ovt

candy.com (candy 189k)
tradeshows.com (trade show 23k)

The other 5 domains got 734 ovt or less

Food for tought?

[thegenius1]

Erealestate.com displays 7 domains on it's homepage,
other then 2 with "good" ovt

candy.com (candy 189k)
tradeshows.com (trade show 23k)

The other 5 domains got 734 ovt or less

Food for tought?


I started to post this withought the RAW #s but was still pondering if i should , This is Serious Food For Thought !

[Drewbert]

Ah you maybe on to something ..... Sorry Drew Schwartz copy and paste errr ;) Welcome to our board ! It all makes sense now

Rick and I are poles apart, politically.

[Olney]

Those stats on Ricks domains tell you one thing.

When you get in the game at the point where you get pure generics. OVT isn't the major factor. Do you see Rick mention OVT for his domains at that point? Is he filthy rich now?

When all the generics get exhausted then PPC, search, & other factors will determine what will sell or not.

[jose]

In this stage we should, IMHO, use OVT to point the best generics.

For instance, I have a list of 100.000 domains, all generics. Which ones should I pick? (I do have the list ;)

[touchring]

Those stats on Ricks domains tell you one thing.

When you get in the game at the point where you get pure generics. OVT isn't the major factor. Do you see Rick mention OVT for his domains at that point? Is he filthy rich now?

When all the generics get exhausted then PPC, search, & other factors will determine what will sell or not.


When you earn $10-20k a month from a name early in the game, you do not bother about OVT. We're all playing with OVT because we aren't earning that $$$$ a month from names, so we can't use $ to compare.

Btw, Rick made it clear he was earning 5 figure money from some of his names when the internet community is 10% of the number of firefox users today. How true is that and what is the reason?

[Olney]

I'm not saying we shouldn't use it.. I'm just saying for many of the domains we are able to get, we should be looking at the industry first, & what kinds of figures that industry makes.

I'd personally like to have
Cars, diamonds, pearls, watches, yatchs, personal loans,
before perhaps
cool, sweet, etc.. which may have a way higher OVT rate.



In this stage we should, IMHO, use OVT to point the best generics.

For instance, I have a list of 100.000 domains, all generics. Which ones should I pick? (I do have the list ;)

[thegenius1]

I'm not saying we shouldn't use it.. I'm just saying for many of the domains we are able to get, we should be looking at the industry first, & what kinds of figures that industry makes.

I'd personally like to have
Cars, diamonds, pearls, watches, yatchs, personal loans,
before perhaps
cool, sweet, etc.. which may have a way higher OVT rate.

I think you are dead on with this maybe we should start a poll about this, but im with you on this topic. If you take your examples Sweet Vs Personal Loan ... Sweet could get over 100k ovt. and your loan term may get a couple thousand but at the end of the day would you rather collect 2-5+ Cents a click or 2-5+ Dollars ? Im riding with the Bids

[Giant]

I never heard of Overture before year 2000, people were still researching ways to advertise on the net. Ye Yun was the master in exploiting domain traffic, news about his success led to the explosion of domain registration from 25M .com in December 2002 --> 50M today.

[Rubber Duck]

Rick Schartz has done very well for himself and the ASCII situation was always tough. Realistically though Giant's portfolio will make him look like a sick parrot.

[Edwin]

What's missing from the list are some of his top adult names, which are probably making him $10,000+ a day (or at least were back in the good old days of the adult industry).

More generally, names that can bring in thousands of dollars a day from their typein traffic are going to be worth much more than industry-defining domains that come with zero traffic. After all, the former are a "business" in and of themselves, in the sense that owning a $1,000 a day name generates a $365,000 a year income - a very healthy figure - whereas owning an ultra-hot generic with no traffic is a POTENTIAL goldmine - and potential alone doesn't get the big bucks, usually.

[touchring]

What's missing from the list are some of his top adult names, which are probably making him $10,000+ a day (or at least were back in the good old days of the adult industry).

More generally, names that can bring in thousands of dollars a day from their typein traffic are going to be worth much more than industry-defining domains that come with zero traffic. After all, the former are a "business" in and of themselves, in the sense that owning a $1,000 a day name generates a $365,000 a year income - a very healthy figure - whereas owning an ultra-hot generic with no traffic is a POTENTIAL goldmine - and potential alone doesn't get the big bucks, usually.


One name makes $10,000 a day?

Can't imagine any name that makes $10,000 a day, other than sex.com or poker.com.

I doubt that even all the close to a million IDNs combined can make $10,000 a day.

[Edwin]

I think a handful of his domains probably make that much together, e.g. porno.com, ass.com etc.

And that's why comparing real ASCII revenue names with "potential" IDNs is frankly laughable TODAY.

In 2-3 years time, if the traffic and bids and CTRs and everything increase like we HOPE they will i.e. multiplying the revenue of some IDNs by 100s of times, it's a subject worth revisiting for sure, but right now there's no solid proof that's going to happen. I believe things will continue to get better - I'm heavily invested in IDN on that basis, after all - but I don't believe that it's possible to compare IDNs with zero real revenue with ASCII super-generics earning $xxx-xx,xxx a day.

[Drewbert]

One name makes $10,000 a day?

Can't imagine any name that makes $10,000 a day, other than sex.com or poker.com.

I doubt that even all the close to a million IDNs combined can make $10,000 a day.

If you factor in all the .de IDN's, I think you might be surprised.

[Giant]

If you factor in all the .de IDN's, I think you might be surprised.

Base on the traffic and ads in China, if I take the average of fairly good and very good domains', I only need 200k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

Remember traffic of IDN will increase, and ads will pay more too.

[touchring]

If you factor in all the .de IDN's, I think you might be surprised.


Possible, .de idn will have as much PPC than all of .com and .net combined.

My suspicion is that all of .com and .net will barely reach $10k a day. Assuming that Netster's 25k generic portfolio brings in $100k a month, we're still $200k short of $300k.

But, anyway, show me proof! :p

[Giant]

Base on the traffic and ads in China, if I take the average of fairly good and very good domains', I only need 200k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

Remember traffic of IDN will increase, and ads will pay more too.

Sorry, my recalculation showed I only need 50k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

This calculation is base on my (middle) average domains and my best-performed domains.

[Olney]

I think we should study his actions.
We are in the same situation he was in back then...
But in Multiple languages...

[touchring]

I think we should study his actions.
We are in the same situation he was in back then...
But in Multiple languages...


Maybe someone can seek his advice. I know he can be found on DomainState.

[Olney]

ah ok... (EDITED)

[Rubber Duck]

In 2-3 years time, if the traffic and bids and CTRs and everything increase like we HOPE they will i.e. multiplying the revenue of some IDNs by 100s of times, it's a subject worth revisiting for sure, but right now there's no solid proof that's going to happen. I believe things will continue to get better - I'm heavily invested in IDN on that basis, after all - but I don't believe that it's possible to compare IDNs with zero real revenue with ASCII super-generics earning $xxx-xx,xxx a day.

2-3 years forward. The price of IDN? Well, I guess most of those with good portfolios won't need to sell to have a very good standard of living indeed by then. If they haven't needed to sell by then, the chances of prizing away their precious IDN for less than a King's ransom are going to be very remote.

It is not the current value of IDN or indeed the future value of IDN that is important here. It is knowing when to buy. For the average small time speculator, the window for which he has the remotest hope of buying anything vaguely interesting in either the primary or secondary markets is rapidly closing. Of course it also needs to be recognised that most will miss the boat totally, including probably in the most meaningful sense, the vast majority of those that have signed on here as members.

For those that don't want to sell or those that are not in a position to buy, speculation relating to future prices will be largely semantics.

[touchring]

Sorry, my recalculation showed I only need 50k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

This calculation is base on my (middle) average domains and my best-performed domains.


Whatever, actual figures aren't important. What is important is that PPC is important for the future growth of idns. We can't just say, hey i got XXXXX, this is worth a million dollars in the future.

As for:

IDNs with zero real revenue with ASCII super-generics earning $xxx-xx,xxx a day.

Many idns got good revenue though. One of these days, i'll write a tell it all report - or maybe someone else will have the grace to write it. Meanwhile, i got lots of catchup work to do. :p

[thefabfive]

Sorry, my recalculation showed I only need 50k domains to generate $10,000 a day.

This calculation is base on my (middle) average domains and my best-performed domains.
Does this number include the $29,000 / month average registration fees?

[touchring]

Does this number include the $29,000 / month average registration fees?


$10,000/day x 30 days = $300,000

There's still a profit of $271,000 after the $29,000 registration fee. :)

[thefabfive]

Where is my head? :)

Thanks.

[idn]

Many idns got good revenue though. One of these days, i'll write a tell it all report - or maybe someone else will have the grace to write it. Meanwhile, i got lots of catchup work to do. :p
Nah, some day pay someone to write the report for you and sell copies for $19.99.

[touchring]

Huh? $19? It's just one line ->

"Always do your own investigation, do not be lazy, never assume." :p

[idn]

For the average small time speculator, the window for which he has the remotest hope of buying anything vaguely interesting in either the primary or secondary markets is rapidly closing.


Very true. Even if you registered lots of nice idns at reg fee, I would consider making your last efforts in the secondary market. With some persistence you can still find "deals".

Take the chance while you still have the choice.