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Rubber Duck

14th October 2006, 12:22 PM

and want to be a SEDOPRO /minimum requirement 200 active names/
pm me and I'll give you a membership code to apply at sedopro.com

DABSI

What kind of crap is this? When I was trying to help them out I was getting the brush off with no consideration with a portfolio of more than 4,000 names. Besides if they want to play ball, why don't they just come out and say so, cards on the table. How much of this Secret Squirrel crap are professional IDNers expected to put up with? Sedo are most welcome to post a promotion for Sedopro at GI forums provided they come out and make it fairly clearly what they are offering and on what terms. I imagine the same would apply here.

dabsi

15th October 2006, 08:26 AM

What kind of crap is this? When I was trying to help them out I was getting the brush off with no consideration with a portfolio of more than 4,000 names. Besides if they want to play ball, why don't they just come out and say so, cards on the table. How much of this Secret Squirrel crap are professional IDNers expected to put up with? Sedo are most welcome to post a promotion for Sedopro at GI forums provided they come out and make it fairly clearly what they are offering and on what terms. I imagine the same would apply here.

As mentioned by Olney, I do not want to escalate the personal issue with you.
You are too aggressive for my taste.
Accept your mistakes and learn out of it.
The quantity of domains, I can imagine is not the criteria for SEDO PRO membreship, but the quality.

your write:When I was trying to help them out I was getting the brush off with no consideration.....This is exactly the point: you think you have invented the wheel. We all here are learning from each others and I learned a lot from SEDO development: quality pays allways out.

I met a lot of SEDO people at different occasions: they are professionnals with visions. If it was not the case we would not go to SEDO with our portfolio. (we tried others....)
last but not least:
Make some research on SEDO and you'll see who stands behind: a serious and reliable company.

My advise: never use your keyboard while drinking....

Au revoir

DABSI

Rubber Duck

15th October 2006, 09:06 AM

As mentioned by Olney, I do not want to escalate the personal issue with you.
You are too aggressive for my taste.
Accept your mistakes and learn out of it.
The quantity of domains, I can imagine is not the criteria for SEDO PRO membreship, but the quality.

your write:When I was trying to help them out I was getting the brush off with no consideration.....This is exactly the point: you think you have invented the wheel. We all here are learning from each others and I learned a lot from SEDO development: quality pays allways out.

I met a lot of SEDO people at different occasions: they are professionnals with visions. If it was not the case we would not go to SEDO with our portfolio. (we tried others....)
last but not least:
Make some research on SEDO and you'll see who stands behind: a serious and reliable company.

My advise: never use your keyboard while drinking....

Au revoir

DABSI

Dabsi, in the IDN game. SEDO have proved over and over again that lack any real vision, and you have proved over and over again that you don't know what your are talking about.

With your arrogance you also insult everyone on here that has ever bought a name from me which includes just about everyone that has ever made a serious purchase. You have got quite a nerve sitting there on your trader rating of Zilch.

touchring

15th October 2006, 09:16 AM

I read some recent threads in which SEDO got blasted upside down by the big boys on NP and DNF? Big boys - i mean people with domains earning $xxx a day a name. These people are furious - and they suffered great losses from earning drop.

Rubber Duck

15th October 2006, 09:38 AM

Anyway, any of you wishing to mock my "mistakes", as Dabsi so quaintly put it, can do so here:

http://www.gotidn.com/viewtopic.php?pid=4205#p4205

For reference , a substantial list of "mistakes" is being dutch auctioned here:

http://www.gotidn.com/viewtopic.php?id=766

dabsi

15th October 2006, 09:57 AM

Rubber Duck

15th October 2006, 10:30 AM

Not all have suffering losses; if your portfolio was only concentrated on casino and or sex, you are the looser this time.

Diversify your portfolio, that's all.

For the Duck: stop drinking, I told you

Au Revoir

DABSI

More bollocks from the Maestro. If you are holding Gaming Domains that are not primarily aimed at the US market they will probably have risen in price.

It doesn't affect us either way as only a miniscule part of portfolio target these areas and we have been actively getting out of the Adult area, because we feel it projects the wrong image for Chinese Domains Ltd.

If you think our portfolios are comprised of rubbish registered during heavy drink bouts then perhaps you should consult some of your learned peers. Thats if any them will actually talk to you.

IDNCowboy

15th October 2006, 11:12 PM

Dabsi, in the IDN game. SEDO have proved over and over again that lack any real vision, and you have proved over and over again that you don't know what your are talking about.

With your arrogance you also insult everyone on here that has ever bought a name from me which includes just about everyone that has ever made a serious purchase. You have got quite a nerve sitting there on your trader rating of Zilch.
There are other domain forums. Lets get serious. Everyone making a serious purchase bought a "name" From YOU? lol...... Several did and not all. Ever heard of snapnames or other members here? Mr Popular huh?

Rubber Duck

15th October 2006, 11:22 PM

There are other domain forums. Lets get serious. Everyone making a serious purchase bought a "name" From YOU? lol...... Several did not all. Ever heard of snapnames or other members here? Mr Popular huh?

OK, so there are one or two players not on my list of sales, so what?

I had forget about you. Not easy, but I try!

Jeff your understanding of the English language leaves something to be desired. Just about means not all and Several is generally taken to be a lot less than the 29 that have remembered to feed back on here.

Other Forums well I have sold to DCG and one or two of the Mods at DNF as well as quite a few members. No I haven't sold at Namepros. As, I recall you put a lot of time and trouble into developing that market. How is it getting on by the way?

Yes, of course then there is the biggy, GI. Well early days yet, but yes there has been quite a lot going down there as well.

Of course I also sell off-forum as well, but that's another story.

You and Dabsi can rant on all day, but the truth is that neither of you add up to anything much when the chips are stacked. You have consistently attacked not only me but also other large portfolio holders. I am not quite sure what your problem is, but trust me it is nothing that cannot be sorted.

blastfromthepast

16th October 2006, 12:45 AM

The bottom line is, Sedo can't do Asian names and serve up ads in the right language by default.

Reading through what other people are going through on dnforum, makes you wonder if they care about portfolio holders at all.

When you hear that many complaints about a company, it means they are doing something wrong.

IDNCowboy

16th October 2006, 01:03 AM

OK, so there are one or two players not on my list of sales, so what?

I had forget about you. Not easy, but I try!
Actually your understanding of the english language isn't great...

"I had forget about you?" ;-)

Jeff your understanding of the English language leaves something to be desired. Just about means not all and Several is generally taken to be a lot less than the 29 that have remembered to feed back on here.

Other Forums well I have sold to DCG and one or two of the Mods at DNF as well as quite a few members. No I haven't sold at Namepros. As, I recall you put a lot of time and trouble into developing that market. How is it getting on by the way?

Yes, of course then there is the biggy, GI. Well early days yet, but yes there has been quite a lot going down there as well.

Of course I also sell off-forum as well, but that's another story.

You and Dabsi can rant on all day, but the truth is that neither of you add up to anything much when the chips are stacked. You have consistently attacked not only me but also other large portfolio holders. I am not quite sure what your problem is, but trust me it is nothing that cannot be sorted.
You don't even know what I own... Just continue your bragging saying how your portfolio is "much" better than mine. The only reason why I don't have feedback on this miniscule forum is because I have not sold any of my IDNs. I have had several offers but am waiting it out for the big payoff. I have feedback on many other message boards from sellers and buyers for ascii names and websites.

I have made over a hundred thousand dollars from selling some of my websites. (ascii revenue making websites). Please don't rant if you don't know what I own. thx ;-)

mulligan

16th October 2006, 02:52 AM

Actually your understanding of the english language isn't great...

"I had forget about you?" ;-)

You don't even know what I own... Just continue your bragging saying how your portfolio is "much" better than mine. The only reason why I don't have feedback on this miniscule forum is because I have not sold any of my IDNs. I have had several offers but am waiting it out for the big payoff. I have feedback on many other message boards from sellers and buyers for ascii names and websites.

I have made over a hundred thousand dollars from selling some of my websites. (ascii revenue making websites). Please don't rant if you don't know what I own. thx ;-)

Can I just squeak in here, for a moment...

I never had any issues with any of you guys... but... Can I just say that RD has a portfolio that would put most to shame... even the ASCII guys...

In 5 years we will see whos smiling and whos ROFL..

markits

16th October 2006, 03:05 AM

blastfromthepast

16th October 2006, 04:23 AM

touchring

16th October 2006, 05:12 AM

Ah! So that's it.

Yeh, who does work for nothing? Even us, ranters, rant on the forum to vent frustration, even if not for any profit. :p

I have made over a hundred thousand dollars from selling some of my websites. (ascii revenue making websites). Please don't rant if you don't know what I own. thx ;-)

Wow, to be able to sell sites for over a hundred thousand, they must be making at least 8k a mth! Why wouldn't you just keep them and reinvest the earnings?

blastfromthepast

16th October 2006, 07:47 AM

Wow, to be able to sell sites for over a hundred thousand, they must be making at least 8k a mth! Why wouldn't you just keep them and reinvest the earnings?

I’d like to roll with… the gangstas
Although it’s apparent I’m too white and nerdy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5COO0_WIq0

Wot

16th October 2006, 08:25 AM

Girls , girls girls - kiss and make up.

All this , my portfolio is bigger and better then yours and name calling is childish and does no favo/urs to anybody.

Sedo / Sedo Pro - they are succesful professionals and as I said before I am sure they are working hard to build a suitable platform for the idn (domain names) community - they would be foolish if they are not and I do not think they are.

I believe there are quite a few real pros in the idn (domain names ) game - would be nice to see more of them participating in the forums.

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 09:48 AM

I don't have big issues with sedo, but back few months ago I received lots of PMs from dnf members asking me to join sedopro by using their invitation code. I later found out that these people were after referer commision.

Yes, that is correct and I have just made an application based on such a referal from someone who was completely up front about it. I have to say curiousity got the better of me. I am curious to see whether they would give me an account. In my estimation, if they choose not to then they clearly have no concept of what this market is about. If they do, then I shall attempt to judge it on its merits. I will move a few domains in and see how they do. I have to say though on the whole I am not overly optimistic. Interchanges between myself and SEDO go back several years, and overall their track record can only be described as extremely poor.

On the positive side, any team is only as good as their last game. Sedo have yet to put on a performance but it does means that it is impossible that they might. It will, however, take more commitment and focus than has been evident to date.

Actually your understanding of the english language isn't great...

"I had forget about you?" ;-)

You don't even know what I own... Just continue your bragging saying how your portfolio is "much" better than mine. The only reason why I don't have feedback on this miniscule forum is because I have not sold any of my IDNs. I have had several offers but am waiting it out for the big payoff. I have feedback on many other message boards from sellers and buyers for ascii names and websites.

I have made over a hundred thousand dollars from selling some of my websites. (ascii revenue making websites). Please don't rant if you don't know what I own. thx ;-)

When I was referring to major players, I was talking in the context of an IDN Forum, so anything you have in ASCII is irrelevant, apart from the fire power that it would give you. As your fire power seems to barely show up on most peoples radar screens, we can only assume that either it is non-existent or you have chosen not to use it, indicating a general lack of commitment. Yes, we know that you have bought one or two names at Snapname. We also know for a fact you haven't gone over the $2K limit, so nothing there puts you in major league.

Apologies for the Typo, but frankly how much time am I expected to dedicate to checking replies to contributions that frankly are unwelcome in the first place.

On the who sold what level. It would seem I have equalled your tally for developed ASCII sites, with undeveloped Asian IDN domains.

I don't have big issues with sedo, but back few months ago I received lots of PMs from dnf members asking me to join sedopro by using their invitation code. I later found out that these people were after referer commision.

Which brings us to the interesting point, of if Dabsi's portfolio is so much better than ours, why he is after 5% of the our earnings, which he now mocks?

touchring

16th October 2006, 10:50 AM

Btw, has anyone other than idn successfully applied for a sedopro account?

bramiozo

16th October 2006, 11:24 AM

Well, I am in, but that's because I got a freebee from the new dutch sedo-representative :) .

alpha

16th October 2006, 02:57 PM

I have burning question for Mr Wassi-dabsi-wassi-dabsi..

Where did you go and what were you doing during your exile?

And why did you decide to come back out from under that rock?

and Yes sedo sucks.

IDNCowboy

16th October 2006, 03:03 PM

Yes, that is correct and I have just made an application based on such a referal from someone who was completely up front about it. I have to say curiousity got the better of me. I am curious to see whether they would give me an account. In my estimation, if they choose not to then they clearly have no concept of what this market is about. If they do, then I shall attempt to judge it on its merits. I will move a few domains in and see how they do. I have to say though on the whole I am not overly optimistic. Interchanges between myself and SEDO go back several years, and overall their track record can only be described as extremely poor.

On the positive side, any team is only as good as their last game. Sedo have yet to put on a performance but it does means that it is impossible that they might. It will, however, take more commitment and focus than has been evident to date.

When I was referring to major players, I was talking in the context of an IDN Forum, so anything you have in ASCII is irrelevant, apart from the fire power that it would give you. As your fire power seems to barely show up on most peoples radar screens, we can only assume that either it is non-existent or you have chosen not to use it, indicating a general lack of commitment. Yes, we know that you have bought one or two names at Snapname. We also know for a fact you haven't gone over the $2K limit, so nothing there puts you in major league.

Apologies for the Typo, but frankly how much time am I expected to dedicate to checking replies to contributions that frankly are unwelcome in the first place.

On the who sold what level. It would seem I have equalled your tally for developed ASCII sites, with undeveloped Asian IDN domains.

Which brings us to the interesting point, of if Dabsi's portfolio is so much better than ours, why he is after 5% of the our earnings, which he now mocks?
I purchased around 25 names from snapnames so far according to my records. There are quite a few that went up to a few thousand dollars.

I bought shoes.com for $3400 and had a private buy of nearly $10k.

I have seen that you have sold names for $10k+ but what have YOU bought for over $2k?? ;-)

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 03:14 PM

I purchased around 25 names from snapnames so far according to my records. There are quite a few that went up to a few thousand dollars.

I bought shoes.com for $3400 and had a private buy of nearly $10k.

I have seen that you have sold names for $10k+ but what have YOU bought for over $2k?? ;-)

Nice to see you will spend so much there and nothing amongst the community. Still if they are all bargains that can be justifiable.

Sorry, I missed the Shoe.com. Nice name. Didn't realise that was yours. I was asked my opinion by a lot of interested parties on this one. I told them it was not ideally suited to Internet based business, so I might have helped you out there. Good luck on proving me wrong on that one.

No, you are quite right, I have bought an awful lot. Couldn't really justify it though, as I picked up my drops long before Snapnames was around. I figured they had conned me out of enough on the ASCII names.

IDNCowboy

16th October 2006, 03:30 PM

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 03:51 PM

Edit: Not worth my time and effort responding to this nonsense. Nothing is sold online(contact lenses re: dnforum and shoes)... OK you win. I have learned.

Well, I can only really judge from my own personal experience and behaviour on this one. I try to buy as much as possible online, as I have a strong adversion to shopping but see that as the lesser of all evils. I certainly buy nearly all household appliances on line and avoid at all costs going anywhere near a high street bank. I won't go into town to buy anything if there is any possible way around the problem.

When it comes to shoes, sadly I have to confess, I have never once considered buying them online. Perhaps, it is a mental block. Perhaps, it is the reaction of someone well past their sell-by date. I hardly give a damned what colour they are, but I am damned if I am going to buy shoes until I have stuck my feet in them!

Olney

16th October 2006, 03:52 PM

Would you guys like your own wrestling ring in here?
I think many of us know by just going through whois info that both of you own premium domains.
What you bought, what you sold, who you sold etc.... Does it matter?

There is a variety of users on IDNF yes it's still a small forum but realize there is going to be a variety of investors, developers, journalists, hobbiest, & business owners. Not everyone came here with thousands to invest. I know I didn't. I bought & sold to get $9,000 worth of domains. I started by putting up like $100.

As far as the Sedo issue. RD you have a legit grudge with them. Even with attacks Dabsi keeps coming back to say what Sedo is doing. Even if you don't like them some members actually use them. Also many of us still have ASCII domains too. A company not doing right today doesn't mean they won't straighten up tomorrow.

So I'll confirm that I know both of you hold great portfolios, no need to argue about it.

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 03:58 PM

No need to worry Olney, you cannot imagine how reassuring it is for me to have my own personal Trolls back. I cannot tell you how desserted I felt having to answer mail from others that had been deeply upset and hurt by these two, when I was being totally neglected.

Olney

16th October 2006, 04:06 PM

I'm not taking anyones side on this RD.
Dabsi hasn't been attacking you in his recent Sedo posts. This is my main point.

No need to worry Olney, you cannot imagine how reassuring it is for me to have my own personal Trolls back. I cannot tell you how desserted I felt having to answer mail from others that had been deeply upset and hurt by these two, when I was being totally neglected.

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 04:10 PM

I'm not taking anyones side on this RD.
Dabsi hasn't been attacking you in his recent Sedo posts. This is my main point.

Well far be it from me to question your judgement on that one!

Olney

16th October 2006, 04:15 PM

Let me rephrase that to clarify.
He hasn't been attacking you in his original posts for his Sedo topics.
That's my point.

Well far be it from me to question your judgement on that one!

IDNCowboy

16th October 2006, 04:16 PM

I cannot tell you how desserted I felt having to answer mail from others that had been deeply upset and hurt by these two, when I was being totally neglected.
LOL, emails about me? Yea, ok

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 04:20 PM

Let me rephrase that to clarify.
He hasn't been attacking you in his original posts for his Sedo topics.
That's my point.

So, just to clarify. It is not acceptable to make a provocative initial posting, but it is acceptable to make unprovoked acts on members and their portfolio's in subsequent threads? Just so we have this straight.

LOL, emails about me? Yea, ok

Well, actually mainly PMs to be fair, but yes more relating to you than Dabsi in all fairness. You may be surprised to learn this but many in the community regard you as a vertible pain in the arse.

Olney

16th October 2006, 04:41 PM

I'm not trying to tell you what to discuss or what is acceptible or not.
But this thread doesn't seem like it's heading into constructive discussion.
This is why I stepped in.

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 04:44 PM

I'm not trying to tell you what to discuss or what is acceptible or not.
But this thread doesn't seem like it's heading into constructive discussion.
This is why I stepped in.

Your not wrong there. If you want to close it, don't let me deter you.

touchring

16th October 2006, 04:48 PM

Sorry, I missed the Shoe.com. Nice name. Didn't realise that was yours. I was asked my opinion by a lot of interested parties on this one. I told them it was not ideally suited to Internet based business, so I might have helped you out there. Good luck on proving me wrong on that one.

Well, one can't win all the time, the Pets.com he got for a couple hundreds is really a coup, plus the petshotel.com he got for reg fee, more than compensates for the any overbidding he did the past few rounds. As i understand, hidden is having a perpertual headache because of this, but from what i see, that didn't diminish any of his appetite for those slubs, zys, and skis. :p

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 04:58 PM

Well, one can't win all the time, the Pets.com he got for a couple hundreds is really a coup, plus the petshotel.com he got for reg fee, more than compensates for the any overbidding he did the past few rounds. As i understand, hidden is having a perpertual headache because of this, but from what i see, that didn't diminish any of his appetite for those slubs, zys, and skis. :p

Look, I never said Shoe.com/Shoes.com was a looser. I am sure it will prove a sound enough investment, but the internet is much better for shifting high value electronic goods than it is shoes. It will be a winner, but not a massive winner.

bramiozo

16th October 2006, 05:10 PM

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 05:15 PM

(I can imagine people would want to try out clothing since sizes seem to have a different meaning for each brand..but if developed it should still attract the motherload of chinese looking to buy shoes online)

All I did was try to point out that it isn't has simple as assuming that each foot requires $10 worth of shoe per year and then multiplying that figure by 2 Billion feet. It is going to take a lot more than just a domain to make a successful online shoes retailer. No doubt there will be an online market, but the touch it and feel it side of the business isn't going to lie down quietly!

thegenius1

16th October 2006, 05:33 PM

It is going to take a lot more than just a domain to make a successful online shoes retailer.

This can be said about many domains , but the internets shoe & sneaker market is very very very huge. Most woman cant get enough of shoes !

jose

16th October 2006, 05:41 PM

Independent of the issue being discussed, the one who brings the discussion into offensive personal attacks looses the reason imediately, no matter what.

When into that territory, the only option available is ignoring.

And over time I have learned that what more pisses people off, during a hard discussion is ignorance, lol. And you save time for yourself.

That being said, I thing we really should go out and have some drinks togheter. ;)

When was that IDN First Meeting?

(I know, I know, my English sucks)

IDNCowboy

16th October 2006, 05:48 PM

So shoebuy.com claiming to make millions of dollars a year is bogus... hmm ;-)

domainguru

16th October 2006, 06:08 PM

and want to be a SEDOPRO /minimum requirement 200 active names/
pm me and I'll give you a membership code to apply at sedopro.com

DABSI

Can Dabsi confirm whether he was due a commission from Sedo for this?

bramiozo

16th October 2006, 06:30 PM

All I did was try to point out that it isn't has simple as assuming that each foot requires $10 worth of shoe per year and then multiplying that figure by 2 Billion feet. It is going to take a lot more than just a domain to make a successful online shoes retailer. No doubt there will be an online market, but the touch it and feel it side of the business isn't going to lie down quietly!

True, that's what I meant by trying it out and I speak of clothing in general as I don't see real exceptions to that "feel issue".

Drewbert

16th October 2006, 06:41 PM

Please, people, if you're talking about idn equivalents of ascii names, can you please call them [shoe].com [pets].com etc?

bwhhisc

16th October 2006, 06:47 PM

BTW- there is a really good football (as in the other kind of football) brawl on youtube today.

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 07:09 PM

So shoebuy.com claiming to make millions of dollars a year is bogus... hmm ;-)

Well I guess it depends on how many millions. Most computer hardware and software companies talk not in millions but billions.

jose

16th October 2006, 07:12 PM

You are all being used on a bait thread to the new www.sedoauctions.com

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 07:29 PM

You are all being used on a bait thread to the new www.sedoauctions.com

Interesting. Will this make it easier or harder to sell a domain I wonder.

As a very high percentage of the bids that I have received in the past have been completely bogus, I wonder how much confidence buyers will have the bids are not bogus in the Auctions? I did get some mail through the other day about verified buyers, so perhaps that was what it was all about. Couple of years late, but better late than never, I guess.

thegenius1

16th October 2006, 07:51 PM

So shoebuy.com claiming to make millions of dollars a year is bogus... hmm ;-)

Check out Zappos.com #15 of Fortunes 500 companies in 04 http://www.inc.com/resources/inc500/profiles/top25-2004/zappos.html ,

http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Review-of-Online-Shoe-Stores&id=247245

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 07:58 PM

Check out Zappos.com #15 of Fortunes 500 companies in 04 http://www.inc.com/resources/inc500/profiles/top25-2004/zappos.html ,

http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Review-of-Online-Shoe-Stores&id=247245

Yes, $50M a year, not bad, but not exactly Microsoft.

I also think you need to look a bit closer at the situation in the Midwest.

Walmarts ruthless expansion policies have turn much of the Mid-West of American into a retail desert. Clearly, if you have drive hundreds of miles to try on a pair of shoes, getting them over the Internet suddenly seems that much more attractive. I think you are unlikely to see parallels of this situation in Europe or the Far East.

thegenius1

16th October 2006, 08:04 PM

Yes, $50M a year, not bad, but not exactly Microsoft.

I also think you need to look a bit closer at the situation in the Midwest.

Walmarts ruthless expansion policies have turn much of the Mid-West of American into a retail desert. Clearly, if you have drive hundreds of miles to try on a pair of shoes, getting them over the Internet suddenly seems that much more attractive. I think you are unlikely to see parallels of this situation in Europe or the Far East.

Well without going into much detail on a sector of the market i have really studied , it was never a software or shoes debate, it was quoted that "I was asked my opinion by a lot of interested parties on this one. I told them it was not ideally suited to Internet based business, so I might have helped you out there. Good luck on proving me wrong on that one." I feel this had to do with youre own personal opinion , with 2 points that are not that strong. 1. Being that people want to try them on , Wrong if that were the case no clothing would probably be sold either, we all know our size for the most part. 2. Is the industrys back bone is from people in rural areas.

touchring

16th October 2006, 08:05 PM

Yes, $50M a year, not bad, but not exactly Microsoft.

I also think you need to look a bit closer at the situation in the Midwest.

Walmarts ruthless expansion policies have turn much of the Mid-West of American into a retail desert. Clearly, if you have drive hundreds of miles to try on a pair of shoes, getting them over the Internet suddenly seems that much more attractive. I think you are unlikely to see parallels of this situation in Europe or the Far East.

Funny that in Singapore and Hong Kong, Walmart concept can't take off as well - people still prefer upscale shopping - branded goods and fancy fashion. Likewise, ppl prefer to buy from fancy shops, than online, even if it means the shop is on expensive land and 80% of the price goes to the rent. The process of buying is a past-time in Asia, people pay to spend time at upscale places.

blastfromthepast

16th October 2006, 08:05 PM

thegenius1

16th October 2006, 08:10 PM

As someone who loves shoes, I've got to say, they are the last thing I would buy online, unless I was buying the very exact same shoe as I tried on and wore before.

These days though, everyone is online, whether they wish to sell online or not is a different matter.

http://www.johnlobb.com/

The main consumer in this sector is woman , and i have delt with a hand full of them and they all loved to browse and buy shoes online

Latest Developments
In recent years, online shoe sales have been on the rise.

I believe this is based on several factors.

* Style - Due to space limitations, many brick and mortar department and shoe stores simply can not offer the style and color selections of many of the online retailers. While finding a black pump is a relatively simple task at any store, a bronze sling-back is tougher to accomplish.

* Standard Sizing - While many of us have no trouble finding shoes to fit right "off the rack," there are probably more people who need something other than a standard width, or size. These options are more readily available online.

* Brand Name and Designer Merchandise - Between television, print and online media, we're bombarded with brand and designer names that are often difficult to find in local department stores. But running that name through any search engine brings usually returns several online retailers of the shoes you so covet.

http://shoes.about.com/od/shoes_store/i/shoes_shopping.htm

bramiozo

16th October 2006, 08:24 PM

Individualism over pragmatism, I can imagine some solutions so that people know just how the size goes, maybe a print out of the foot profile ?

p.s. we're talking about shoes aren't we ? ...yep, just checking ;)

bwhhisc

16th October 2006, 08:26 PM

The main consumer in this sector is woman , and i have delt with a hand full of them and they all loved to browse and buy shoes online
http://shoes.about.com/od/shoes_store/i/shoes_shopping.htm

Hey Genius, did you work with Al Bundy? lol

thegenius1

16th October 2006, 08:27 PM

Hey Genius, did you work with Al Bundy? lol

LOL , actually more along the lines of Hugh Hef !

bwhhisc

16th October 2006, 08:29 PM

Funny that in Singapore and Hong Kong, Walmart concept can't take off as well - people still prefer upscale shopping - branded goods and fancy fashion. Likewise, ppl prefer to buy from fancy shops, than online, even if it means the shop is on expensive land and 80% of the price goes to the rent. The process of buying is a past-time in Asia, people pay to spend time at upscale places.

Americans are in a BF hurry...at 'Super'Walmart 24-7 you can get everything in one stop...I mean optical needs, haircuts, drugs, beer and wine, oil change, tires, pets, grocery, clothes, hardware, crafts, music, appliances, computers. Just about everything but getting laid, and who knows, they are probably working on that.

LOL , actually more along the lines of Hugh Hef !

Wasn't sure if you would catch that one...that was the most cutting edge show in its time. Big Uns!

bramiozo

16th October 2006, 08:36 PM

Mellons !

bwhhisc

16th October 2006, 08:40 PM

Mellons !

for curious minds:

http://www.bundyology.com/bal.html

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 08:49 PM

Americans are in a BF hurry...at 'Super'Walmart 24-7 you can get everything in one stop...I mean optical needs, haircuts, drugs, beer and wine, oil change, tires, pets, grocery, clothes, hardware, crafts, music, appliances, computers. Just about everything but getting laid, and who knows, they are probably working on that.

Perhaps its a cultural thing, but that sounds like Hell!

In the UK Walmart who trade under the name of ASDA are getting their butt kicked by the all conquering Tesco, who are also slaying everything in front of them in much of the Far East and Eastern Europe as well.

12 weeks to 27th February 2005 12 weeks to 26th February 2006
Tesco 29.1% 30.4%
Asda 16.8% 16.6%
Sainsbury's 16.0% 16.2%
Morrisons 12.5% 11.2%
Somerfield 5.4% 5.4%
Waitrose 3.7% 3.8%
Iceland 1.7% 1.8%
Netto 0.6% 0.6%
Lidl 1.8% 2.0%
Aldi 2.2% 2.3%
Other Multiples 1.5% 1.5%
Total Coops 4.9% 4.7%

bwhhisc

16th October 2006, 09:22 PM

[QUOTE=Rubber Duck]Perhaps its a cultural thing, but that sounds like Hell!
/QUOTE]

ROTFLOL-
Yeah, probably is but most (American) men dont like shopping (at least most of the ones I know) so the quicker you can get it over with and the less stops the better. That is unless you are shopping to meet girls, then you see lots of younger guys hanging at the malls.

I think a lot of people go to the groceries etc. a couple of times a week, so having everything in one place is convenience. Sadly, it has put a lot of smaller businesses out of work.

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 09:35 PM

I guess I am a chauvanist. I help out with the Food Shop but after that she is on her own. Frankly, I would be quite happy to do that over the Internet given half a chance, but she won't have it.

As for the rest of it, forget it. Women love to shop. Why should I spoil her day by crowding her space and cramping her style?

bramiozo

16th October 2006, 09:38 PM

One of the larger groceries in the Netherlands has a grocery delivery service, do they have something like it in the US ?

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 09:41 PM

One of the larger groceries in the Netherlands has a grocery delivery service, do they have something like it in the US ?

The top chains in the UK do this. Actually, it fell apart in the US, initially as they started running them from separate Warehouses. The UK model was to use the stores as the batching centre which has proved much more effective. Half the country have it delivered these days. Cost about $10.

bwhhisc

16th October 2006, 10:03 PM

One of the larger groceries in the Netherlands has a grocery delivery service, do they have something like it in the US ?

Maybe in the larger cities...we live on a coastal resort island of 30,000 population, so nothing like that here. You can get a Pizza delivered thats about it. We travel about 35 miles to get to the nearest city for many things, also where many of our local worker force comes from. We do have a big ole SuperWalmart off island though...in the middle of an area where a population boom is happening on the mainland. Our only current industries of any size is tourism and resort hotels, golf, etc.

domainstosell

16th October 2006, 10:05 PM

One of the larger groceries in the Netherlands has a grocery delivery service, do they have something like it in the US ?

Yeah, check out Peapod.com. Great service. They don't actually operate any retail outlets (at least, that I know of). It is all online.

Rubber Duck

16th October 2006, 10:15 PM

Maybe in the larger cities...we live on a coastal resort island of 30,000 population, so nothing like that here. You can get a Pizza delivered thats about it. We travel about 35 miles to get to the nearest city for many things, also where many of our local worker force comes from.

Yes, Walmart may be big, but it certainly isn't beautiful.

Skipton North Yorkshire, boast 2 small hypermarkets, one of which Tesco has 24 x 7 service and supports doorstep internet deliveries to the town and the surrounding area. Population about 16,000.

It also boast a vibrant high street with a street market 4 times a week, loads of pubs, a small cinema, a night club, a couple of small department stores a handful of banks and numerous cafes, bistros, restaurants, takeaways and boutiques.

In Keighley just down the road which is slightly larger things are much the same, but you have a choice of Internet delivery services, and if you takeaway delivered to your door, you could have a different service every night for a month, with free delivery.

thegenius1

16th October 2006, 11:55 PM

Rubber Duck

17th October 2006, 12:12 AM

Just incase anybody still had any doubts about the Online Shoe Market check this out

"One store that sells women’s shoes was recently reported as being one of the largest stores on the eBay site and whether you search for an eBay store or an auction listing you will discover just how many women’s shoes are available. You will discover page upon page of either new or nearly new women’s shoes available on the site."

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Purchase-Designer-Shoes-Online&id=302987

Putting the global shoe market at $10 a head time 5 Billion people that is $50 Billion. I have yet to see any firm evidence of that the online market has made any in roads into that figure. My personal view is that you could even raise that figure by about a factor of 10, but that is anyone's guess.

The metrics we are interested in are not the numbers of impressions of images made but the numbers of units shipped and the numbers of dollars remitted. So far, we have a rural areas of the Mid-West accounting for some $50 Million dollars.

Yes, these figures are significant, but they just don't stack up against say the numbers of computers Dell sell online.

I may not know much about women. The more partner's I have the less I feel I know, but I can tell you buying them off a screen is not the main event. It is not even about what you buy, it has more to do with the ones that you tried on and left in the shop. It is about matching them with your dress asking your friends opinion. Oddly enough, it is not even about fit or comfort, because hell they will cripple themselves to get the look right! Hell, I don't know what it is about, but I have yet to witness it online, and believe me I was married to Imelda Marcos for ten years!

thegenius1

17th October 2006, 12:21 AM

Putting the global shoe market at $10 a head time 5 Billion people that is $50 Billion. I have yet to see any firm evidence of that the online market has made any in roads into that figure. My personal view is that you could even raise that figure by about a factor of 10, but that is anyone's guess.

The metrics we are interested in are not the numbers of impressions of images made but the numbers of units shipped and the numbers of dollars remitted. So far, we have a rural areas of the Mid-West accounting for some $50 Million dollars.

Yes, these figures are significant, but they just don't stack up against say the numbers of computers Dell sell online.

I may not know much about women. The more partner's I have the less I feel I know, but I can tell you buying them off a screen is not the main event. It is not even about what you buy, it has more to do with the ones that you tried on and left in the shop. It is about matching them with your dress asking your friends opinion. Oddly enough, it is not even about fit or comfort, because hell they will cripple themselves to get the look right! Hell, I don't know what it is about, but I have yet to witness it online, and believe me I was married to Imelda Marcos for ten years!

Again this has nothing to do with any other online industry , this is only about the shoe and footwear market , rural , urban , suburban doesnt matter these factors can apply to many online industries , the fact is hands down woman love shoes , finding exclusive shoes at their fingertips is like us finding porn or gambling at our fingertips (or domains lol ). This whole size thing doesnt matter because most of the shoe retailers have phenomenal return policies , again if you are only Looking at it from daves perspective and not actually looking at the numbers you are entitled to your opinion, but if i was others i sure wouldnt buy it.

And there is obviously a reason why One of the Biggest Stores on Ebay is a woman shoe Store !

Rubber Duck

17th October 2006, 12:28 AM

Well, I don't know. Marriage taught me that women can do their groceries online, go shopping in town six days a week, and you still end up with no milk or bread. Trust me, they are a complete mystery. To claim you understand them, is to brand yourself a fool.

thegenius1

17th October 2006, 12:33 AM

Trust me, they are a completely mystery. To claim you understand them, is to brand yourself a fool.

Good Point , and they will remain a mystery, but i can say i have looked at the industry and witnessed it first hand. The breakdown could be a age gap , but i know i kick the woman of the laptop several times a week because she is looking at shoes and im trying to build a fortune to buy her more shoes :p

Wot

17th October 2006, 12:37 AM

UsedShoes.com in Chinese and Japanese, available? - now that smells of money - or something. :p

bwhhisc

17th October 2006, 03:27 AM

I may not know much about women. The more partner's I have the less I feel I know, Hell, I don't know what it is about, but I have yet to witness it online, and believe me I was married to Imelda Marcos for ten years!

ROTFLOL

Well, I don't know. Marriage taught me that women can do their groceries online, go shopping in town six days a week, and you still end up with no milk or bread. Trust me, they are a completely mystery. To claim you understand them, is to brand yourself a fool.

RD- you got me in stitches, sure needed a good laugh tonight.
No doubt, the older you get the more you realize you understand very little about the other sex.
In your 20's your thinking you know it all...but you be thinking with the wrong head!

blastfromthepast

17th October 2006, 04:08 AM

UsedShoes.com in Chinese and Japanese, available? - now that smells of money - or something. :p

Japanese do not like used clothing, used houses, used anything, as it is inhabited or touched by other people's spirits, and the Shinto worldview requires pure fresh new things.

Rubber Duck

17th October 2006, 07:05 AM

Japanese do not like used clothing, used houses, used anything, as it is inhabited or touched by other people's spirits, and the Shinto worldview requires pure fresh new things.

Sounds like Shinto must be getting very popular in the West as well. Since China started doing most of the manufacturing, nobody seems to bother getting anything repaired anymore, let alone buy second-hand.

thegenius1

17th October 2006, 07:08 AM

Sounds like Shinto must be getting very popular in the West as well. Since China started doing most of the manufacturing, nobody seems to bother getting anything repaired anymore, let alone buy second-hand.

EBAY would say different , but do agree new things are getting pretty cheap

That reminds me , I just read article last week in INC. mag how second hand is like one of the biggest things out and people are even resorting to Used Diapers (cloth ones)

Rubber Duck

17th October 2006, 07:17 AM

EBAY would say different , but do agree new things are getting pretty cheap

Whilst that might appear to be the case because Ebay is very high profile, the overall picture is one of disappearing second hand outlets and repair services. Ebay itself may have greatly exacerbated the trend, by increasing the availability of such articles at greatly reduced prices, they are probably kicking the arse out of most of the commercial niches that used to be available to the sole trader.

thegenius1

17th October 2006, 07:21 AM

Whilst that might appear to be the case because Ebay is very high profile, the overall picture is one of disappearing second hand outlets and repair services. Ebay itself may have greatly exacerbated the trend, by increasing the availability of such articles at greatly reduced prices, they are probably kicking the arse out of most of the commercial niches that used to be available to the sole trader.

I agree that repair services need to pack up shop now if they already didnt , but the second hand market from what i read is really growing , but for the majority of the growth i would give credit to the net.