POLL- How many .ws did YOU buy?

[bwhhisc]

Just for fun...as the feeding frenzy subsides.

[IDNCowboy]

Fess up time, no names to protect the innocent.
Thought I had regged 30 but woke up and found out I had regged 51 .ws names!

:)

[domainstosell]

I bought 6:

cancún.ws
порно.ws
фото.ws
видео.ws
скачать.ws
русский.ws

But I got mine on Jan. 29th. So, does that make me smart for regging before the rush, or dumb for not scooping up even more primo terms? :eek:

That's a hypothetical question by the way, I don't think I want answers on that one... ;)

[seamo]

Just a dabble.

After a successful course of treatment with Regger's Anonymous (RA) I was able to curb my previously horrendous regging addiction and have just have a little .ws fun ;)

[Wot]

Added up, all in all, put together in alphabetical order, by time and date stamp.


NONE :)

[yanni]

I would be too embarrassed to admit...

[Charrua]

Over 100 top generic IDN.ws Portfolio.

Some Japanese and Chinese as an example:

Japanese IDNs:

アジア.ws = asia.ws

ゲーム.ws = game.ws

カジノ.ws = casino.ws

チャット.ws = Chat.ws

ビジネス.ws = Business.ws

翻訳.ws = Translation.ws

ブログ.ws = blogs.ws

デザイン.ws = design.ws

不動産.ws = realestate.ws

競売.ws = auction.ws

観光.ws = travel.ws

ホテル.ws = hotel.ws

音楽.ws = music.ws

新聞.ws = news.ws or newspaper.ws

旅行.ws = travel.ws

マップ.ws = maps.ws

アダルト.ws = adult.ws

ローン.ws = loan.ws

クレジットカード.ws = creditcard.ws

販売.ws = sales.ws

アニメ.ws = anime.ws

ビデオ.ws = video.ws

アダルト.ws = adult.ws

ポルノ.ws = Pornography or porn .ws

大人.ws = Adult.ws

セックス.ws = sex.ws


Chinese IDNs:

中华.ws = china.ws

中華.ws = china.ws

香港.ws = hongkong.ws

公司.ws = business/company/firm

商務.ws = commerce.ws

商务.ws = commerce.ws

商業.ws = commerce.ws

亚洲.ws = asia.ws

银行.ws = bank.ws

房地产.ws = realestate.ws

房地產.ws = realestate.ws

拍卖.ws = Auction.ws

旅馆.ws = hotel.ws

汽车.ws = car.ws

旅游.ws = travel.ws

旅館.ws = hotel.ws T Chinese and/or Japanese

辞書.ws = dictionary.ws is usually used in Taiwan

音樂.ws = music.ws

音乐.ws = music.ws

录象.ws = video.ws

信用.ws = credit.ws

貸款.ws = loan.ws

信用卡.ws = creditcard.ws

翻譯.ws = translation.ws

翻译.ws = translation.ws

遊戲.ws = game.ws

朋友.ws = Friend.ws

搜.ws = search.ws

新聞.ws = news.ws or newspaper.ws

普通话.ws = mandarin or Standard spoken Chinese S Chinese

新加坡.ws = Singapore.ws

华语.ws = Chinese.ws

台北.ws = taipei.ws

臺北.ws = Taipei.ws

性.ws = sex.ws

色情.ws = porn.ws

成人.ws = adult.ws

and more Japanese, Chinese + Arabic, Russian, Korean, Turkiye, Hindi, Thai, German, Greek, Spanish, IDNs.

Thanks in advance

[tee1]

I started with only a few and ended up with around 30, more than I wanted but I couldn't stop. addiction thing, half will probably get dropped next year.


I think a good follow up poll would be, what do you plan on doing with them. there have been a few sales here but in general what can you expect from the market if you don't develop. I bought most of mine with illusions to develop, not sure when that will happen?


what are most people thinking with their idn.ws
resell, develop, park(traffic from se, is that possible), ??


tee1

[touchring]

I got zero. Tried to stir clear of exotic extensions other than dot TV.

Registered a .biz during the Spanish .biz landrush, wanted to drop it after 4 days if there's no traffic, but i FORGOT. :o

For all we know, the .ws hype may lead the takeoff of mainstream IDNs. :)

[seamo]

Over 100 top generic IDN.ws Portfolio.


We officially crown you the KING OF IDN.ws!

As the most qualified member here to discuss .ws and it's potential, I was wondering how traffic has been on your portfolio Charrua?

Have you developed any of your .ws yet? If so, how are they doing serp wise?

You may hold the answers to a number of burning questions at this important moment...

[Drewbert]

Just like .biz, don't be expectig gob-loads of type-in traffic to a .ws name.

ASCII or IDN.

It just ain't gonna happen.

[Charrua]

Thank you seamo, I think the same for now drewbert.

I do not expect lots of trafic right now, we have to be real.
I will just hold them for two or three years or until I get a good offer for the domain I realy think that people in those countries who are going to use those idns are notbig fans of extensions like .com or .net so regulated by US they would prefer to use their own extentions so they create a new personality online with idn + extention.
It is easier to remember a top generic idn .ws that a none generic or top idn .com

Good luck!!

[IDNer]

Charrua ~
Great IDN.ws Portfolio http://www.idnforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Charrua]

Charrua ~
Great IDN.ws Portfolio http://www.idnforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif


Thank you IDNer.

[domainguru]

Thank you seamo, I think the same for now drewbert.

I do not expect lots of trafic right now, we have to be real.
I will just hold them for two or three years or until I get a good offer for the domain I realy think that people in those countries who are going to use those idns are notbig fans of extensions like .com or .net so regulated by US they would prefer to use their own extentions so they create a new personality online with idn + extention.
It is easier to remember a top generic idn .ws that a none generic or top idn .com

Good luck!!

Ah, but .ws *is* controlled by the US, albeit a small private company in the US:

http://website.ws/contact.dhtml

They also look to be a very dodgy outfit, from discussion here:

http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/thread15557-2.html

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I have recently been harassed with repeated spam from Global Domains International too... The alleged CEO, Michael Reed and President, Alan Ezeir might well be running a pyramid scheme, or indeed be behind a number of internet based crimes or scams, however I only have proof of Global Domains International spam, and the fact is that spamming people is now illegal and can carry a hefty custodial sentence!

My advice is, as with all spam that originates in the USA, report it to State Attorney General and they WILL take it seriously. Fortunately, they have enormous powers and can see through the supposedly untouchable idiots that run these cons. One recently got 9 years in prison, and quite deservedly too!

You might also join a group like SpamCop at www.spamcop.net, which can reduce your spam and help the authorities implicate, track and punish those whom profit from irresponsible organisations like Global Domains International.
-------

Also:

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Revoked by the BBB's Board of Directors

BBB Reliability Report

WebSite.ws
701 Palomar Airport Rd #300
Carlsbad, CA 92009

General Information:
Original Business Start Date: August 2001
Local Business Start Date: November 1999
Type of Entity: Corporation
Principal : Mr Jon Bailey Director of Operations
Phone Number: (760) 602-3000
Fax Number: (760) 602-3099
BBB Membership: This company is not a member
Type-of-Business Classification: Internet Services
Website Address: www.website.ws

The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources.

BBB Membership:
On April 20, 2005 this company's membership in the BBB was revoked by the BBB's Board of Directors due to failure to cooperate with the BBB on advertising matters.
Nature of Business

This company offers website services and products including domain registration. Recently the company has begun offering a multi-level marketing program that encourages people to invite everyone they personally know with an automated email invitation system to participate in the program that consists of purchasing a .ws registration from the company for $10 a month. From there, anybody who responds to the email and also participates in the program, the originator of the email is to be paid a commission.


Customer Experience:
Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaint(s). The company has resolved most complaint(s) presented by the Bureau; however, the Bureau did not receive a response to other complaint(s). Recent complaints are with regards to the free trial offer of a website domain. Consumers are stating that they attempt to cancel after the free trial offer and they are unable to do so. They claim that they continue to be charged for the service.

When evaluating complaint information, please consider the company's size and volume of business. The number of complaints filed against the company may not be as important as the type of complaints and how the company handled them.

Closed Complaints:
Number of complaints processed by the BBB in last 36 Months: 10
Number of complaints processed by the BBB in last 12 months: 2


Complaints Concerned:
Repair or Service Issues: 1
Outcome of the complaint -
Resolved: 1

Refund or Exchange Issues: 2
Outcome of all complaints -
Resolved: 2

Customer Service Issues: 6
Outcome of all complaints -
Resolved: 6

Credit or Billing Issues: 1
Outcome of the complaint -
Company did not respond: 1

Additional Information:
Additional Doing-Business-As Names: GDI
Global Domains International
Additional TOB Classifications: Internet Servers
Internet Web Design

Company Management:
Additional company management personnel include:
Mr Alan Ezeir President
Mr Michael Reed CEO

Company Advertising:
This company is currently offering a multi-level marketing program and they are advertising income claims including "Earning Quiet Fortunes From Home", "BUILD YOUR INCOME FOR LIFE", "have the financial independence", "a reliable, LIFELONG MONTHLY INCOME ", "Unlimited Income Potential", etc. The company has not provided substantiation for these claims or shown that these claims can be met by the average consumer joining their program.

Report as of 06/29/2005
Copyright 2005 Better Business Bureau of San Diego

As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service or company. BBB reports generally cover a three-year reporting period, and are provided solely to assist you in exercising your own best judgment. Information contained herein is believed reliable but not guaranteed as to accuracy. Reports are subject to change at any time.

The Better Business Bureau reports on members and non-members. Membership in the BBB is voluntary, and members must meet and maintain BBB standards. If a company is a member of this BBB, it is stated in this report.
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That speaks for itself.

About traffic, the only way you will ever get traffic from .ws domains is if you develop them. Type-in traffic will be so close to zero you won't even notice it.

[IDNCowboy]

Ah, but .ws *is* controlled by the US, albeit a small private company in the US:
alot of extensions are run by american companies

[domainguru]

alot of extensions are run by american companies

Yes but very few (a) base their business on MLM, and (b) get thrown out of the BBB.

[Charrua]

Ah, but .ws *is* controlled by the US, albeit a small private company in the US:

http://website.ws/contact.dhtml

They also look to be a very dodgy outfit, from discussion here:

http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/thread15557-2.html

------
I have recently been harassed with repeated spam from Global Domains International too... The alleged CEO, Michael Reed and President, Alan Ezeir might well be running a pyramid scheme, or indeed be behind a number of internet based crimes or scams, however I only have proof of Global Domains International spam, and the fact is that spamming people is now illegal and can carry a hefty custodial sentence!

My advice is, as with all spam that originates in the USA, report it to State Attorney General and they WILL take it seriously. Fortunately, they have enormous powers and can see through the supposedly untouchable idiots that run these cons. One recently got 9 years in prison, and quite deservedly too!

You might also join a group like SpamCop at www.spamcop.net, which can reduce your spam and help the authorities implicate, track and punish those whom profit from irresponsible organisations like Global Domains International.
-------

Also:

------
Revoked by the BBB's Board of Directors

BBB Reliability Report

WebSite.ws
701 Palomar Airport Rd #300
Carlsbad, CA 92009

General Information:
Original Business Start Date: August 2001
Local Business Start Date: November 1999
Type of Entity: Corporation
Principal : Mr Jon Bailey Director of Operations
Phone Number: (760) 602-3000
Fax Number: (760) 602-3099
BBB Membership: This company is not a member
Type-of-Business Classification: Internet Services
Website Address: www.website.ws

The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources.

BBB Membership:
On April 20, 2005 this company's membership in the BBB was revoked by the BBB's Board of Directors due to failure to cooperate with the BBB on advertising matters.
Nature of Business

This company offers website services and products including domain registration. Recently the company has begun offering a multi-level marketing program that encourages people to invite everyone they personally know with an automated email invitation system to participate in the program that consists of purchasing a .ws registration from the company for $10 a month. From there, anybody who responds to the email and also participates in the program, the originator of the email is to be paid a commission.


Customer Experience:
Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaint(s). The company has resolved most complaint(s) presented by the Bureau; however, the Bureau did not receive a response to other complaint(s). Recent complaints are with regards to the free trial offer of a website domain. Consumers are stating that they attempt to cancel after the free trial offer and they are unable to do so. They claim that they continue to be charged for the service.

When evaluating complaint information, please consider the company's size and volume of business. The number of complaints filed against the company may not be as important as the type of complaints and how the company handled them.

Closed Complaints:
Number of complaints processed by the BBB in last 36 Months: 10
Number of complaints processed by the BBB in last 12 months: 2


Complaints Concerned:
Repair or Service Issues: 1
Outcome of the complaint -
Resolved: 1

Refund or Exchange Issues: 2
Outcome of all complaints -
Resolved: 2

Customer Service Issues: 6
Outcome of all complaints -
Resolved: 6

Credit or Billing Issues: 1
Outcome of the complaint -
Company did not respond: 1

Additional Information:
Additional Doing-Business-As Names: GDI
Global Domains International
Additional TOB Classifications: Internet Servers
Internet Web Design

Company Management:
Additional company management personnel include:
Mr Alan Ezeir President
Mr Michael Reed CEO

Company Advertising:
This company is currently offering a multi-level marketing program and they are advertising income claims including "Earning Quiet Fortunes From Home", "BUILD YOUR INCOME FOR LIFE", "have the financial independence", "a reliable, LIFELONG MONTHLY INCOME ", "Unlimited Income Potential", etc. The company has not provided substantiation for these claims or shown that these claims can be met by the average consumer joining their program.

Report as of 06/29/2005
Copyright 2005 Better Business Bureau of San Diego

As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service or company. BBB reports generally cover a three-year reporting period, and are provided solely to assist you in exercising your own best judgment. Information contained herein is believed reliable but not guaranteed as to accuracy. Reports are subject to change at any time.

The Better Business Bureau reports on members and non-members. Membership in the BBB is voluntary, and members must meet and maintain BBB standards. If a company is a member of this BBB, it is stated in this report.
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That speaks for itself.

About traffic, the only way you will ever get traffic from .ws domains is if you develop them. Type-in traffic will be so close to zero you won't even notice it.


I sow that you don't have any .ws? I just don't attack any extension who know, you probable have too many "middle clase".com and .net and get upset with my comment, the BBB words means nothing for me, I don't trust BBB sorry.

"BUILD YOUR INCOME FOR LIFE" that is impossible you just have to stay 25 hour a day online, or scam from my point of view tell me if you know somebody that know somebody that winn the lotto or something like that, the same for me but is the state government in that case is ok anybody ask cuestions? like that a billion.

[domainguru]

I sow that you don't have any .ws? I just don't attack any extension who know, you probable have too many "middle clase".com and .net and get upset with my comment, the BBB words means nothing for me, I don't trust BBB sorry.

Sorry, I don't own any "middle clase" .com names. As for owning .ws names, no I don't and I won't be.

I saw how "sheep" bought up .ws ASCII names in 2001 when all the good .coms were gone, and then dumped then 2 years later. I am seeing the same thing now. History repeats.

[IDNCowboy]

Sorry, I don't own any "middle clase" .com names. As for owning .ws names, no I don't and I won't be.

I saw how "sheep" bought up .ws ASCII names in 2001 when all the good .coms were gone, and then dumped then 2 years later. I am seeing the same thing now. History repeats.
Well network solutions was running the .com registry for quite a while. They didn't have the best track record did they?

What about Verisign running .com now? These guys suck too.

At least you don't see .ws raising pricing.

[blastfromthepast]

I'll have a few more upper clase .ws names please.

[domainguru]

Well network solutions was running the .com registry for quite a while. They didn't have the best track record did they?

What about Verisign running .com now? These guys suck too.

At least you don't see .ws raising pricing.

Err ...network solutions and verisign are the same company - go and do some reading.

Raising prices for .ws? that's a laugh, they can't afford to, dude - supply and demand ! Why do you think there are so many "premium" .ws domains available?

[Charrua]

Err ...network solutions and verisign are the same company - go and do some reading.

Raising prices for .ws? that's a laugh, they can't afford to, dude - supply and demand ! Why do you think there are so many "premium" .ws domains available?

That's right, every single extension is the same, what make me crazy is the renewal fee, the prices change so much and nothing stop them.

[seamo]

Let's not start bashing each other about this guys - we cop enough from other domainers.

Whether you agree that .ws has future potential or not, you have to agree Charrua has obtained a killer portfolio in the extension.

No type-in's for .ws? We've hardly got any for IDN's full stop, let alone measuring the success of various extensions.

.ws for development only? For sure - Carrua's portfolio is a developer's dream!

For around $1,000 pa outlay, I think you haven't done too badly mate ;)

If your portfolio is worth 1/10th of the equivalent .com's in the next five years...you're a winner.

[IDNCowboy]

Err ...network solutions and verisign are the same company - go and do some reading.

Raising prices for .ws? that's a laugh, they can't afford to, dude - supply and demand ! Why do you think there are so many "premium" .ws domains available?
No they aren't. Verisign had full ownership of network solutions. They recently sold Network Solutions (verisign kept the lucrative .com contract for themselves) but kept a very small stake in the company!

So before Network solutions was managing .com - Now verisign is managing it
Network solutions is now independent of verisign.

Check the company history. "Network Solutions registrar sold November 2003 " - sold by Verisign

[domainguru]

Let's not start bashing each other about this guys - we cop enough from other domainers.

Whether you agree that .ws has future potential or not, you have to agree Charrua has obtained a killer portfolio in the extension.

No type-in's for .ws? We've hardly got any for IDN's full stop, let alone measuring the success of various extensions.

.ws for development only? For sure - Carrua's portfolio is a developer's dream!

For around $1,000 pa outlay, I think you haven't done too badly mate ;)

If your portfolio is worth 1/10th of the equivalent .com's in the next five years...you're a winner.

No type-in's for .ws? We've hardly got any for IDN's full stop, let alone measuring the success of various extensions.

Sure, but we all know .ws domains just don't get type-ins, whether IDN or ASCII. That's a fact.

If your portfolio is worth 1/10th of the equivalent .com's in the next five years...you're a winner.

Absolutely right. But my doubt is whether .ws domains are worth 1/10th or even 1/100th of .com domains. They aren't in ASCII-land, why should IDN-land be any different?

If people have registered .ws domains to develop them, I applaud them. It's a great use, and good value.

If they want to flip them for a few bucks profit, no problem.

But if you think that in a few years people will be queuing up to buy undeveloped .ws IDN domains for $X,XXX, I am betting you are in for a big disappointment.

[blastfromthepast]

The key is going to be moving these domains into top spots on search engines.

[domainguru]

The key is going to be moving these domains into top spots on search engines.

Absolutely. We agree at last :)

[seamo]

But if you think that in a few years people will be queuing up to buy undeveloped .ws IDN domains for $X,XXX, I am betting you are in for a big disappointment.
That's the $1,000,000 question there, isn't it?

My prediction is there will be a big line up of international investors.

Why?

It would be following to the letter the boom and bust cycle of domain investment that has been the lifeblood of the internet for the last 15 years. We are seeing it right now with .ws...

A new wave of eager investors get wind of the next best thing (IDN's in our case), and the market demand eventually far outweighs availability. Hence prices are driven skywards.

When the IDN levee breaks, we will have more rich international investors banging on our doors than we'll know what to do with.

On that day, even Charrua's premium .ws IDN's will be worth a mint :)

JMHO

[rhys]

I personally have more than enough to deal with in my chosen extensions and didn't buy any .ws. But I do wish those who did well. I agree that development is the key to a positive ROI on .ws. Good luck!

[sakillll]

Zero WS

[touchring]

When the IDN levee breaks, we will have more rich international investors banging on our doors than we'll know what to do with.

Are you referring to the Snap bidders? They seem rich enough judging from the bids last week! :o

[bwhhisc]

Are you referring to the Snap bidders? They seem rich enough judging from the bids last week! :o

They are still 'stealing' most of those top domains even at this weeks sale prices.

ie. Video.com (Korean) with 196,295 KR ovt for $3,500 dollars.

[Giant]

If your portfolio is worth 1/10th of the equivalent .com's in the next five years...you're a winner.

Unfortunately, it won't happen. If your Math is good, there's no reason you should spend your money on IDN.ws.

Owning a few premium IDN.ws does make you happy, that's about it, but don't expect too much return from it. :-)

[touchring]

They are still 'stealing' most of those top domains even at this weeks sale prices.

ie. Video.com (Korean) with 196,295 KR ovt for $3,500 dollars.


I wouldn't call that a steal - but fair value.

In comparison, the pet.com, Jeff took at $500 is really a steal.

[markits]

Right now all buys & sales of .ws are happend between idners. I am seeing European traffic to my [finance].ws ($20 per click @ovt) and clicking ads on it. I am sure these visitors are idners and I consider these behavors annoying. You can vist the url, check whois, but never click any ads on it.

[Rubber Duck]

They are still 'stealing' most of those top domains even at this weeks sale prices.

ie. Video.com (Korean) with 196,295 KR ovt for $3,500 dollars.

Well with 5 reported this week and more in the pipe, many more domainers will be trying to find out what is going down.

The great thing about Snapnames is everyone knows these are legitimate sales. There is no question of hyping or falsifying sales data. These numbers will be accepted without question. There will be a recognition that there is a new kid on the block, albeit to get drops that kid must have been around for a while. Dot Mobi won't produce similar data for at least another six months, if ever.

[markits]

the pet.com, Jeff took at $500 is really a steal.
touch, I bet it would have ended up in you pocket for $60 if Jeff didn't do it ?!

[touchring]

touch, I bet it would have ended up in you pocket for $60 if Jeff didn't do it ?!


$60 is impossible. Drewbert was there, but he fell off at $500. Maybe internet down, etc, such things do happen. Experienced one myself...ahhh!

If Jeff wasn't there, actually, at $500, hmm.... i think i'll take. :)

[Rubber Duck]

touch, I bet it would have ended up in you pocket for $60 if Jeff didn't do it ?!

Maybe, but I think you can kiss those days goodbye. My traffic is on a distinct rising trend since the launch of Vista. With sales breaking through into the weekly Snapnames sales reports, the days of rediculous bargains are probably over. The pan is simmering away nicely. If we get good listings in the Live Auctions, I think it will start to boil. If we actually get some high profile sales there, then your are going to see soup all over the ceiling!

[bwhhisc]

I wouldn't call that a steal - but fair value.
In comparison, the pet.com, Jeff took at $500 is really a steal.

Agreed...maybe better to say that it is a steal compared to what it will probably be worth in 3-5 years. :)

[Prodigy]

After waking up with a bad .ws hang over this morning, I have about 11... I don't feel too bad about them though!

八.ws -Eight
店.ws -Shop/Store
城市.ws -City
生意.ws -Business
经济.ws -Economy
吉.ws -Luck
发财.ws -Get Rich
喜.ws -Luck
福.ws -Luck
爱.ws -Love
携帯.ws -Cellphone

[Rubber Duck]

On reflection this is a very good thing. It was probably unreasonable to expect sustained progress until the Jug which Alpha described as "Too Big" was finally full. The fact that people are suggesting that Dot WS is a viable proposition almost certainly means that just about every mortal thing in dot com that might conceivably have some value is gone. This will final mean that people intent on investing on IDN will have to start focusing hard on the secondary market. The sales being registered at Snapnames suggest that this is already happening to a limited extent.

It is obvious that from here on in that we are going to have ever more potential buyers chasing an ever depleting stock of domains. The growth in traffic in this last week convinces me that an understanding of IDN is spreading in our target markets. It is likely that focus of flippers will shortly turn away from here back towards the target markets, except for where what they are hawking is of little or no value. Sellers of quality domains are going to be a lot less anxious to sell as they see the PPC earnings rising. The supply demand balance is about to turn in the seller's favour decisively and permanently.

[markits]

After waking up with a bad .ws hang over this morning, I have about 11... I don't feel too bad about them though!

八.ws -Eight
店.ws -Shop/Store
城市.ws -City
生意.ws -Business
经济.ws -Economy
吉.ws -Luck
发财.ws -Get Rich
喜.ws -Luck
福.ws -Luck
爱.ws -Love
携帯.ws -Cellphone
These are good keywords. You are pretty much set if you can manage to turn one or few of these into com, jp, or cn.

the Jug which Alpha described as "Too Big" was final full.
Perhaps that's the only good aspect of the .ws frenzy. I still think too much this .ws thingy makes this forum a joke and brings bad reputation to the forum. It looks particularly bad to visitors of professional domainers.

After all, most here are experienced and serious domainers.

[Rubber Duck]

Perhaps that's the only good aspect of the .ws frenzy. I still think too much this .ws thingy makes this forum a joke and brings bad reputation to the forum. It looks particularly bad to visitors of professional domainers.

This Forum and DNLocal will continue to look like Cinderellas until there are potential buyers that are prepared to offer something close to the values people will need to be persuaded to part with serious domains. Until that happens the sales threads will continue to fill 99% with utter crap.

A lot of time is being wasted here, but those that are wasting it should reflect on whose time they are wasting.

[touchring]

Agreed...maybe better to say that it is a steal compared to what it will probably be worth in 3-5 years. :)


Future is the future, we're not end users, we're resellers. Resellers buy at the wholesale price. But what is wholesale price?? WTF! I went into IDNs because i discovered that ASCII domainers are willing to pay much more for generics than the biggest end users. The ASCII community is basically trading within itself, domainer buying from domainer, just like what my friend told me when i asked him what he thinks domaining is about.

[Giant]

I went into IDNs because i discovered that ASCII domainers are willing to pay much more for generics than the biggest end users.

Your ability of discovering the truth about domaining was terribly bad, or Rick Schwartz is a fool and not a legend.


The ASCII community is basically trading within itself, domainer buying from domainer, just like what my friend told me when i asked him what he thinks domaining is about.

It looks like it, but it's not so. Big moneys are from end users, I sold most of my "good profit" domains to end users.

An example to illustrate what we call domainer vs end user:

Domain name: vodka.com

Domainer: The seller.

End user: The vodka company.

How much? $3M

[blastfromthepast]

Perhaps that's the only good aspect of the .ws frenzy. I still think too much this .ws thingy makes this forum a joke and brings bad reputation to the forum. It looks particularly bad to visitors of professional domainers.

I got a $XXXX offer for a .ws today.

What is more unprofessional, making good sales and deals in new frontiers or spending lots of time posting detracting comments about extensions or areas of domaining you missed out on? I think the later.

[domainstosell]

I got a $XXXX offer for a .ws today.


Really? Did you sell? What was the domain?

[blastfromthepast]

Really? Did you sell? What was the domain?

Really. No, not selling 北京.ws Beijing at this price point.

[Giant]

I got a $XXXX offer for a .ws today.


I suspect this is not an honest statement, or maybe I know nothing about domains :)

[domainstosell]

I suspect this is not an honest statement, or maybe I know nothing about domains :)

I don't see any reason not to believe it at this point... How much would 北京.com go for? If someone wants something badly enough, they'll pay for it, and there could be a lot of potential in these super-premium generics and geographics.

[Giant]

I don't see any reason not to believe it at this point... How much would 北京.com go for? If someone wants something badly enough, they'll pay for it, and there could be a lot of potential in these super-premium generics and geographics.

$x,xxx should be spent on .com domains rather than .ws extention no matter how attractive the name looks. Regging a few keyword names in .ws is not a bad thing just in case, but one should think twice before putting $x,xxx into it.

All the advices not to invest too much in .ws names in this thread are sincere and good, worth listening to.

[Rubber Duck]

Just figure out what WS stands for as an IDN extension.

"White Squares" of course!

[jose]

I have .com and .net on many, many languages. I am, as all of you, waiting on DNAME for those domains to start making sense to native speakers of those languages.

I have a lot of .info and .org on French, Spanish and Portuguese languages cause they make a lot of sense, (info-rmation, info-rmación, info-rmação) and (org-anisation, org-anización, org-anização)

Now, what I don’t get is why IDN (dot) web site, since “web site” is an English only term…

But, as in all things in life, the market makes the rules, and if people are buying it, why not nails the top keywords?

I have seen bottles of air being sold in Paris, my girlfriend bought a spray of just water and my mother a spray of sea water, so…

[IDNCowboy]

I have .com and .net on many, many languages. I am, as all of you, waiting on DNAME for those domains to start making sense to native speakers of those languages.

I have a lot of .info and .org on French, Spanish and Portuguese languages cause they make a lot of sense, (info-rmation, info-rmación, info-rmação) and (org-anisation, org-anización, org-anização)

Now, what I don’t get is why IDN (dot) web site, since “web site” is an English only term…

But, as in all things in life, the market makes the rules, and if people are buying it, why not nails the top keywords?

I have seen bottles of air being sold in Paris, my girlfriend bought a spray of just water and my mother a spray of sea water, so…
They have an equivalent of "website" in Chinese

[seamo]

They have an equivalent of "website" in Chinese
How about Japanese - anyone know off the top of their heads?

[IDNCowboy]

How about Japanese - anyone know off the top of their heads?
in japanese theres a transliteration - its widely used as a site title but not searched that much.

the chinese version is heavily searched

[seamo]

in japanese theres a transliteration - its widely used as a site title but not searched that much.

the chinese version is heavily searched
ウェブサイト - you mean this word?

[IDNCowboy]

ウェブサイト - you mean this word?
yes

[bwhhisc]

They have an equivalent of "website" in Chinese

Is the word "website" a transliteral word into many languages?

I think "internet" is pretty much recognized by computer users in most languages,
or at least I would think so. (whoops...thing like an American again- lol).

[Wot]

Really. No, not selling 北京.ws Beijing at this price point.



北京中国.com may be for sale at highly inflated price. :)

[Olney]

In Japanese most people use the term "homepage"
I got to admit, I'm not seeing what you guys are.
dot ws hasn't taken off in a mass explosion in English.
In foreign languages ws will not be obvious to mean website or homepage or whatever.
I'd really rather see you guys buying up a mass explosion of .es, .fr, .de, .kr, cn, or .jp
or just spend on development.
If you were on NamePros (not mentioning it for disrespect) & seen a bunch of domainers mention that spanish .ws were available, would you be rushing to register?

I'm like Jose I'm going through my registrations this month & next for the year & want to keep a tight portfolio.

[markits]

I got a $XXXX offer for a .ws today.

What is more unprofessional, making good sales and deals in new frontiers or spending lots of time posting detracting comments about extensions or areas of domaining you missed out on? I think the later.

Good sales and deals? The buyers of .ws are these later starters but have very little money to spend. They are desperate for success but they are quite naive. On the other hand, I will feel guilty to rip off these people's money.

Extensions I missed out? No. I do wish that .ws picked up, which means I will be the person to cash in more than you do in this extension. I own many top generic keywords. You have to remember that all the recorded top ascii domain sales are these giant generic keywords, rather than place names.

[burnsinternet]

In Japanese most people use the term "homepage"
I got to admit, I'm not seeing what you guys are.
dot ws hasn't taken off in a mass explosion in English.
In foreign languages ws will not be obvious to mean website or homepage or whatever.
I'd really rather see you guys buying up a mass explosion of .es, .fr, .de, .kr, cn, or .jp
or just spend on development.
If you were on NamePros (not mentioning it for disrespect) & seen a bunch of domainers mention that spanish .ws were available, would you be rushing to register?

I'm like Jose I'm going through my registrations this month & next for the year & want to keep a tight portfolio.

If I could get some .es, .fr, .de, or .kr, I would love it. For the life of me, I cannot find a good .de. (are any left?) and .fr is only for people in France. Is it possible to get .es or .kr from the US? Where?

I got a $XXXX offer for a .ws today. What is more unprofessional, making good sales and deals in new frontiers or spending lots of time posting detracting comments about extensions or areas of domaining you missed out on? I think the later.

I am not putting down .ws, just mentioning that alternative languages are still out there for .com, .net, and the rest. I have my bad ascii.ws experience and I could not make myself pull the trigger on idn.ws.

Personal baggage, personal problem. I'll seek medical help. :p

[bwhhisc]

You have to remember that all the recorded top ascii domain sales are these giant generic keywords, rather than place names.

Not true...you almost "never" see city domains come up for sale.
I would venture that most major cities in .com would fetch 7 figures these days, but they
are pretty much just not put up for sale.

The last big US city sale was in 2006; Branson.com (Missouri) sold for $1,600,000 dollars.

http://www.cheaphostingdirectory.com/news-domain-name-sale-for-branson-com-at-1-6-million-2109.html

[markits]

Most city domains were sold in the past in a below price. I owned two USA states names and one top city name in the past and were all sold.

The one I remember is Texas.com (not mine), which was sold for a half million and the state government was the buyer.

Yes place domains are good, but compare to business.com, 6.5 mil, sex.com, 15 mil etc, place domains are simply not in the utmost top class.

[bwhhisc]

Most city domains were sold in the past in a below price. I owned two USA states names and one top city name in the past and were all sold.

The one I remember is Texas.com (not mine), which was sold for a half million and the state government was the buyer.

Yes place domains are good, but compare to business.com, 6.5 mil, sex.com, 15 mil etc, place domains are simply not in the utmost top class.

Well these guys turned down $ 5,000,000 for PalmSprings.com (page 2 of article)

http://www.dnjournal.com/cover/2006/december-page2.htm

Not too shabby, I guess they make over $1 million a year in advertising revenue from this one domain alone.
Maybe not sex.com but they can buy all the sex they want with that money :)

[seamo]

Maybe not sex.com but they can buy all the sex they want with that money :)
Lol...so this is what this whole domaining game is about?

I don't think my wife is going to let me play anymore boys...

[blastfromthepast]

I suspect this is not an honest statement, or maybe I know nothing about domains :)

While it is natural to question new directions the market is taking, I take your statement as a challenge to my integrity.
Contact me in private for verification.

For the rest of you:

http://internationalizeddomain.com/beijingws.jpg

And no, the offer is not accepted, and Beijing is not about to be sold at this low price.

[touchring]

While it is natural to question new directions the market is taking, I take your statement as a challenge to my integrity.
Contact me in private for verification.

For the rest of you:

And no, the offer is not accepted, and Beijing is not about to be sold at this low price.


Nice, but not surprising. If marketiva.mobi can be sold at $100k, there's no reason why beijing.ws can't. But just make sure you don't be the last one holding the baby. And as in casinos, play with money you can afford to lose. :)

[markits]

Well these guys turned down $ 5,000,000 for PalmSprings.com (page 2 of article)

http://www.dnjournal.com/cover/2006/december-page2.htm

Not too shabby, I guess they make over $1 million a year in advertising revenue from this one domain alone.
Maybe not sex.com but they can buy all the sex they want with that money :)
What we compare is recorded sale prices in the past. Palmsprings.com is not just a domain name, it is a highly established ads network (portal) business.

[touchring]

Most city domains were sold in the past in a below price. I owned two USA states names and one top city name in the past and were all sold.


Wow, let me rephrase: "I'm a millionaire." :p

[bwhhisc]

What we compare is recorded sale prices in the past.

There isn't much data that I know of as major cities rarely come up for sale.

[markits]

There are few geographical name sales in my memory:

Texas.com $500,000. The biggest state in USA.

Tucson.com $50,000 (I think I remember the name correctly).

Newzealand.com 1 million Newzealand dollars (half million USD) bought by the newzealand government.

WesternAustralia.com $35k (bought by the state government).

zj.com 1 million Chinese yuan, bought by the ZheJiang provincial government.