Bam number one again in Japan again. Cha-Ching. [Archive] - IDN Forums

sarcle

11th February 2007, 07:40 PM

So idns are tearing up the search engines and spitting out the ascii sites like crazy.

I've built several sites to test this theory and see how far I can travel. I've shared lots of my experiences with you all and I'd like to share another. Below I will share numbers and browser percentages and I believe it's a good indication of where IDN are heading.

Caution - This is an adult site.

www.エロアニメ.com (erotic anime) Japanese

After a month of waiting I've made the first page of yahoo for the term "エロ"

Japanese Overture
1.045.863 エロ
327.974 エロアニメ

www.エロアニメ.com (http://www.エロアニメ.com)

Yahoo.co.jp Search
http://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=%A5%A8%A5%ED&fr=top_v2&tid=top_v2&ei=euc-jp&search.x=1&x=26&y=11

I'm ranked #10

Google Trends for エロ, エロアニメ

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7959/eroticanimepl2.png

Now for the browser stats and operating systems.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/147/eroticbrowserstatsqs2.jpg

Keep in mind that I visit the site regularly to make sure it's in good running condition and I use IE7.

Operating Systems:

WIN 97.4 %
Windows XP 86.6 %
Windows NT 62 0 %
Windows Me 4.1 %
Windows Codename Longhorn 0.2 %
Windows 98 3.2 %
Windows 95 0 %
Windows 2003 0 %
Windows 2000 2.9 %

87 percent use Windows XP. Meaning 87 percent will be automatically updated when the AU of IE7 hits Japan.

We are in for a wild ride in the next month or two. It's time to celebrate.

This site alone is raking in unique visitors by the "thousands" a day. I would say it's a fairly good indicator of what people are using in Japan.

Anyone else feel free to share your experiences as we are all here to help each other.

Drewbert

11th February 2007, 08:08 PM

You might want to try changing the language meta tag so it reads

<meta name="language" content="jp">

I report my page language within the html tag....

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="fr-FR" xml:lang="fr-FR">

It might be better being there than in a seperate meta tag.

If you read http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/dirlang.html they also say you should put a dir= to indicate language direction are well - could be a way for Arabic and Hebrew pages to leap up the SERP's :)

The tutorial at http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-lang.html has an interesting statement...

"Always declare the language of the document as a whole in the <html> tag"

So there we have it.

googlepray? You're a believer?

DavyBUK

11th February 2007, 08:08 PM

Great going Adam ! Well done :) Thanks for sharing this great info....Better do some more work on some sites this week then !!

sarcle

11th February 2007, 08:24 PM

You might want to try changing the language meta tag so it reads

<meta name="language" content="jp">

I report my page language within the html tag....

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="fr-FR" xml:lang="fr-FR">

It might be better being there than in a seperate meta tag.

If you read http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/dirlang.html they also say you should put a dir= to indicate language direction are well - could be a way for Arabic and Hebrew pages to leap up the SERP's :)

The tutorial at http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-lang.html has an interesting statement...

"Always declare the language of the document as a whole in the <html> tag"

So there we have it.

googlepray? You're a believer?

Thanks Drewbert for the tips and for the links. I will read through them this evening. Although I'm a little leary of changing anything, the old saying, "if it ain't broke."

I will definately use this info on the new sites I'm building though to see what kind of a difference it makes on the rankings. I really appreciate it.

Great going Adam ! Well done :) Thanks for sharing this great info....Better do some more work on some sites this week then !!

Yes, I plan on it. The cash this is raking in is way better than any parking program. Development is the only way to go. How are your sites coming along? I know you have a few in the works, give me a shout via skype and let me know.

rhys

11th February 2007, 09:50 PM

Sarcle,

Are you using DTICASH to monetize your adult traffic? If so, how do you find the conversion rates and the sales tools provided?

If not, what are you using? Thanks

Rhys

yanni

12th February 2007, 02:13 AM

Sarc,

you're also #39 with this site : www.エロ動画.com for the same term.

sarcle

12th February 2007, 02:14 AM

Sarcle,

Are you using DTICASH to monetize your adult traffic? If so, how do you find the conversion rates and the sales tools provided?

If not, what are you using? Thanks

Rhys

I use a combination of several affiliates.

I use DTI, Adbrite, Aebn.net, and AsianFriendFinder. So far everything is working well. I'd like to drop the DTI and go with a different Japanese Adult affiliate but there aren't too many options. I personally think DTI is way to diluted in the Japanese market.

Sarc,

you're also #39 with this site : www.エロ動画.com (http://www.エロ動画.com) for the same term.

Yeah, I didn't want to announce that one yet. It's been built rather crudely. I was wanting to revamp it before announcing those stats. It's actually got great ovt with ext. and the Japanese do type-in IDN.com in the search.

But yes Idns are taking over the search engines. It's only a matter of time now.

domainguru

12th February 2007, 05:48 AM

one caveat here - yahoo and google work in completely different ways. google is a much tougher nut to crack for young sites. which is a shame for me because it is over 90% of the market in Thailand. But for you .jp guys, time to milk :p

Rubber Duck

12th February 2007, 11:35 AM

In the short-term developed sites have a huge advantage over parking particularly in Japan.

Getting Serp Ranking side steps the issue of Browser support, so in the short-term parked sites will get infinitely more traffic than parked.

As browser support kicks in the gap between development and parking will close noticeably. The reason for this are not only does browser support have more of an upside for parking but it will kindle a type-in culture that is currently missing. Furthermore, whilst it is comparatively easy to leap into the higher echaleons of SERPat the moment, it will become distinctly more difficult as serious commercial sites switch to IDN and the current advantage enjoyed by parking sites is diluted.

Prodigy

12th February 2007, 11:55 AM

In the short-term developed sites have a huge advantage over parking particularly in Japan.

Getting Serp Ranking side steps the issue of Browser support, so in the short-term parked sites will get infinitely more traffic than parked.

As browser support kicks in the gap between development and parking will close noticeably. The reason for this are not only does browser support have more of an upside for parking but it will kindle a type-in culture that is currently missing. Furthermore, whilst it is comparatively easy to leap into the higher echaleons of SERPat the moment, it will become distinctly more difficult as serious commercial sites switch to IDN and the current advantage enjoyed by parking sites is diluted.

I agree to disagree.

What makes you think that generations brought up on search can just switch to typing in what theyre looking for on the web into the search bar like westerners do? There is no precedent to signify such a change in navigation behavior.

Unless you know something that we don't...

Cha ching cha ching, grats on the nice rankings Sarcle!

domainguru

12th February 2007, 11:57 AM

I agree to disagree.

What makes you think that generations brought up on search can just switch to typing in what theyre looking for on the web into the search bar like westerners do? There is no precedent to signify such a change in navigation behavior.

Unless you know something that we don't...

Cha ching cha ching, grats on the nice rankings Sarcle!

Did you really say "generations brought up on search". Is the Internet really that old in Asia? :p

Prodigy

12th February 2007, 12:11 PM

Did you really say "generations brought up on search". Is the Internet really that old in Asia?

;)
My grandfather used it, my father uses it, I use it and so does my niece.

I would believe that would constitute "generations".

Are you in my generation buddy?;)

sarcle

12th February 2007, 12:18 PM

I agree to disagree.

What makes you think that generations brought up on search can just switch to typing in what theyre looking for on the web into the search bar like westerners do? There is no precedent to signify such a change in navigation behavior.

Unless you know something that we don't...

Cha ching cha ching, grats on the nice rankings Sarcle!

Thanks.

I would also have to agree that massive type-ins aren't going to "just happen" Type-ins came as a result of sites being built.

Just as a reference. You have a person that registered "porn.com" Then you have people build many sites onlineporn.com gayporn.com lesbianporn.com ect. ect. So people, curious as they are, will naturally try and look up "porn.com" to see what's there.

touchring

12th February 2007, 12:19 PM

I agree to disagree.

What makes you think that generations brought up on search can just switch to typing in what theyre looking for on the web into the search bar like westerners do? There is no precedent to signify such a change in navigation behavior.

Unless you know something that we don't...

So there are people in UK brought up not to type-in?

domainguru

12th February 2007, 12:25 PM

So there are people in UK brought up not to type-in?

Absolutely. The type-in market is a relatively small % of the overall search market. When people look for things on the web, they generally "google it", not type it in.

Rubber Duck

12th February 2007, 12:30 PM

When Trains, Bicycles, Automobiles, Telephone were introduced, was a mass public awareness campaign required, or did people just adopt these technologies instinctively and intuitively?

The IDN system has been designed to be intuitive. It should catch on instinctively. If it does not, no amount of public awareness campaigns is going to make it happen.

Yes, content does need to be provided, and it is being provided. The main mechanism for the provision of content will be conversion of existing websites. This is happening all over but on an industrial scale in China. All that is necessary is for companies to make a complete copy of their websites, do a Search and Replace on the Domain name to get all the links to work properly and then give the new site its own hosting. Those that don't understand this obviously did not follow my string of post at DNL on this issue.

If you think that spamming webspace with a whole load of Adsense spam sites with foriegn webmasters is the thing that is going to persuade people that there is interesting content in the IDN space, then I think you all need to reconsider.

Prodigy

12th February 2007, 12:34 PM

So there are people in UK brought up not to type-in?

I don't know, did you grow up in the UK? ;)

I was in Singapore, Japan and Korea when they started this thing called the "internet".

"Search" is ingrained in the internet culture here, they even have a television show about it.

I'm just not convinced that type-in traffic is going to take off like it has in the West. I believe you can find overwhelming statistics that will show you "search" is the number one form of web navigation in Japan as well as Korea.

After the conception of a predominantly IDN enabled browser population, are IDNs going to change web navigation behavior?

It would be great to get some PPC, however, I don't think it will be the barometer on which good domains will be measured on in Asia.

When Trains, Bicycles, Automobiles, Telephone were introduced, was a mass public awareness campaign required, or did people just adopt these technologies instinctively and intuitively?

The IDN system has been designed to be intuitive. It should catch on instinctively. If it does not, no amount of public awareness campaigns is going to make it happen.

Yes, content does need to be provided, and it is being provided. The main mechanism for the provision of content will be conversion of existing websites. This is happening all over but on an industrial scale in China. All that is necessary is for companies to make a complete copy of their websites, do a Search and Replace on the Domain name to get all the links to work properly and then give the new site its own hosting. Those that don't understand this obviously did not follow my string of post at DNL on this issue.

If you think that spamming webspace with a whole load of Adsense spam sites with foriegn webmasters is the thing that is going to persuade people that there is interesting content in the IDN space, then I think you all need to reconsider.

Agreed. Meaningful and original content has to be developed. I am hiring someone to write meaningful content for pages that will provide useful information. Putting junk with adsense in the long run will only be our cause.

In regard to the way that developers are pursuing IDNs at the moment, it's still early in the game for IDN website development. Exploring this "IDN space" is something that needs to be done in order to move forward. I'm sure all the other developers have bigger plans for their websites as well.

Regarding intuition, it is intuitive for one to use a search engine when one is searching for something. Positive reinforcement of this behavior over the years through advertisements and commercials i.e. "Search for Big Green Housing etc etc". I would love to see some stats on type-in behavior versus search. I'll go look and share with the group if I can find any.

sarcle

12th February 2007, 12:43 PM

If you think that spamming web space with a whole load of Adsense spam sites with foreign webmasters is the thing that is going to persuade people that there is interesting content in the IDN space, then I think you all need to reconsider.

I agree this isn't the final solution but it is the best solution to parking at the moment. Don't know what it has to do with foreign webmasters though as IDN gets further developed I think most of us will have the cash to hire programmers for our sites.

As far as companies switching to IDN it's inevitable. But in the mean time getting IDN.com in top positions in the search engines will just make it happen sooner as companies aren't going to just sit there and let their ascii sites evaporate to these adsensed pages.

Rubber Duck

12th February 2007, 12:49 PM

Search is the by far the biggest means of Web navigation in the West, there is no doubt about that.

Direct Navigation is comparatively small as a means of navigation, until you start to look at the way domainers actually make their money. Then it is not small it is very significant.

If somebody wants to find Microsoft's Website, unless you are prepared to run getting into legal conflict with them for having a typo domain, then frankly your chance of intercepting that monetizing that traffic are zero. Even if they type it in, you are not going to get a look in. The use of IDN by big companies will popularise these domains but they won't in general make you money.

Much direct navigation will be done as a consequence of the advertisement of the domain name. You are not going to make any money there either. But this kind of activity will get people involved in direct navigation. If you are going to try to get people to Microsoft.com are you going to give them the URL to type in, or are you going to suggest a Search Engine to them. Copy and pasting URLs or even clicking on links is a form of direct navigation if you think about it. When IDN are used for email addresses the principal becomes even further engrained.

The reason that Direct Navigation is not much used, is that the current domain system available to people in Asia do not meet the 3 R's criteria. Often they cannot RECOGNISE the domain names, they will certainly struggle to RECALL them and often they will not be REPRODUCE them. Once they can see that IDN meet the 3R's criteria then they will adopt them with great enthuisiasm.

I feel a bit like a 19th century railway pioneer demonstrating a steam locomotive to potential investors that cannot envisage what a railway track looks like and keep asking why there are no passengers.

sarcle

12th February 2007, 12:56 PM

Search is the by far the biggest means of Web navigation in the West, there is no doubt about that.

Direct Navigation is comparatively small as a means of navigation, until you start to look at the way domainers actually make their money. Then it is not small it is very significant.

Yes, it's something we all want a piece of. :)

According to the latest statistics:

According to the investment bank RBC Capital Markets, direct navigation was expected to generate $650 million in sales in the United States last year, and it estimates the business could hit $800 million this year. The money is largely coming from the display advertising at the sites, which is shared with search giants such as Yahoo and Google.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/local/states/california/16560153.htm

Direct Navigation hit $650 million in the US alone last year and 800 million this year. Imagine what that's going to hit now that IDN are fast becoming a reality.

Does anyone have their island picked out yet? :)

domainguru

12th February 2007, 01:04 PM

Does anyone have their island picked out yet? :)

Yep - the UK, but only if global warming continues to heat it up :)

Rubber Duck

12th February 2007, 01:07 PM

Yep - the UK, but only if global warming continues to heat it up :)

You want to buy all of it?

domainguru

12th February 2007, 01:08 PM

You want to buy all of it?

I'll give you Wales :)

alpha

12th February 2007, 01:10 PM

Yep - the UK..

lol.

whats the opposite of a tax haven?

domainguru

12th February 2007, 01:10 PM

lol.

whats the opposite of a tax haven?

tax hal?

Rubber Duck

12th February 2007, 01:15 PM

Yes, at it says on the Nat West Advert, the question is:

Dónde?

Remember, Exotic but no Sand Flies or Box Jellyfish!

sarcle

12th February 2007, 01:31 PM

Yep - the UK, but only if global warming continues to heat it up :)

Ah, god bless global warming. I was in London two winters ago and damn near froze my balls off.

I myself was thinking Mediterranean.

Drewbert

12th February 2007, 07:18 PM

Croation island.

Think Greek Island, but affordable :)

Rubber Duck

12th February 2007, 07:24 PM

Croation island.

Think Greek Island, but affordable :)

Come on Drew. Your not telling me you are going to have affordability issues here?

sarcle

12th February 2007, 07:35 PM

Come on Drew. Your not telling me you are going to have affordability issues here?

Drew is getting chincy in his old age? Some of the ascii names he has could probably buy a small nation.

touchring

13th February 2007, 06:33 AM

Now for the browser stats and operating systems.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/147/eroticbrowserstatsqs2.jpg

Keep in mind that I visit the site regularly to make sure it's in good running condition and I use IE7.

Operating Systems:

WIN 97.4 %
Windows XP 86.6 %
Windows NT 62 0 %
Windows Me 4.1 %
Windows Codename Longhorn 0.2 %
Windows 98 3.2 %
Windows 95 0 %
Windows 2003 0 %
Windows 2000 2.9 %

Anyone else feel free to share your experiences as we are all here to help each other.

Hey, i just noticed you posted browser stats as well. 1% for FF and 3.8% for IE7. So 5%?

Assuming that traffic has doubled as compared to before IE7 (e.g. Sept), and the percentage of type-in is 20%, then the current japanese IE7/FF multiplier will be 5 times.

If percentage type-in is 50%, then the IE7/FF multiplier will be 11 times.

domainguru

13th February 2007, 09:21 AM

Hey, i just noticed you posted browser stats as well. 1% for FF and 3.8% for IE7. So 5%?

Assuming that traffic has doubled as compared to before IE7 (e.g. Sept), and the percentage of type-in is 20%, then the current japanese IE7/FF multiplier will be 5 times.

If percentage type-in is 50%, then the IE7/FF multiplier will be 11 times.

That's the problem with the word "if" ....

This is a developed site that is getting nearly all traffic via search, the percentage type-is probably nearer 0.5% than 50%. But now I'm at it using the word "probably".

touchring

13th February 2007, 11:52 AM

That's the problem with the word "if" ....

This is a developed site that is getting nearly all traffic via search, the percentage type-is probably nearer 0.5% than 50%. But now I'm at it using the word "probably".

I know that's a developed site with good yahoo positioning, that's why, we can use the browser distribution data.

sarcle

13th February 2007, 02:47 PM

Hey, i just noticed you posted browser stats as well. 1% for FF and 3.8% for IE7. So 5%?

Assuming that traffic has doubled as compared to before IE7 (e.g. Sept), and the percentage of type-in is 20%, then the current japanese IE7/FF multiplier will be 5 times.

If percentage type-in is 50%, then the IE7/FF multiplier will be 11 times.

Problem is most of the IE7 is me. Every time I add or subtract something from the site I take a gander to make sure all the links are still working so the IE7 results are skewed.

touchring

13th February 2007, 03:05 PM

Problem is most of the IE7 is me. Every time I add or subtract something from the site I take a gander to make sure all the links are still working so the IE7 results are skewed.

Well, you can estimate the number of times you access the site, and minus off from the results. But I guess, we got to wait another month or two before the stats becomes more useful.

Btw, speaking about stats, has anyone tried comparing the japanese stats on ND as compared to last month?

sarcle

13th February 2007, 04:32 PM

Well, you can estimate the number of times you access the site, and minus off from the results. But I guess, we got to wait another month or two before the stats becomes more useful.

Yeah, until IE7 is "officially" released in AU there will be no significant traffic from it. I've check the times I've accessed the site and Japanese IE7 traffic doesn't exist. Which is a good thing. It's only up from here.

It would be helpful though for those with sites in similar rankings to share their stats as well.

touchring

13th February 2007, 04:48 PM

Fab put up one on DNL - http://www.dnlocal.com/dnlocal/-t1966.0.html;msg10318#msg10318

The FF/IE7 stats for japanese is inconclusive at the moment.

sarcle

13th February 2007, 04:56 PM

Fab put up one on DNL - http://www.dnlocal.com/dnlocal/-t1966.0.html;msg10318#msg10318

The FF/IE7 stats for japanese is inconclusive at the moment.

Seems he is seeing the same trends I am. It would be interesting to find out from him if he uses IE7 to check his site as the number of hits from ie7 are really insiginificat to the rest of the stats.

thefabfive

13th February 2007, 05:04 PM

Seems he is seeing the same trends I am. It would be interesting to find out from him if he uses IE7 to check his site as the number of hits from ie7 are really insiginificat to the rest of the stats.

I've only checked my sites a handful of times probably with both IE7 and Firefox, but I don't think my visits change the data much.

The good thing about this data is that it doesn't include any (most likely) type-in data. Type-in data will only be from IE7 or FF and will skew the percentages of those two.

sarcle

13th February 2007, 05:07 PM

(most likely)

Damn I'm tired of these words. :) lol.

Well like I said it's only up from here. As soon as Microsoft get's off their asses and ships the friggin' browser that is.

Thanks fab though for the update.

touchring

14th February 2007, 04:08 AM

Yep - the UK, but only if global warming continues to heat it up :)

Make sure your island is at least 3 feet above sea level.

domainguru

14th February 2007, 05:26 AM

Make sure your island is at least 3 feet above sea level.

It's a big island.

sarcle

14th February 2007, 12:06 PM

Make sure your island is at least 3 feet above sea level.

I thought ole Al Gore said it would be four.

Anyways not much to worry about with England according to the CIA the highest point is "Ben Nevis 1,343 m" So Domainguru is okay with his choice.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/uk.html

Rubber Duck

14th February 2007, 12:12 PM

If you are paranoid about flooding you should be heading for Teneriffe which rises to about 6,000 metres.

I thought ole Al Gore said it would be four.

Anyways not much to worry about with England according to the CIA the highest point is "Ben Nevis 1,343 m" So Domainguru is okay with his choice.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/uk.html

sarcle

14th February 2007, 12:39 PM

If you are paranoid about flooding you should be heading for Teneriffe which rises to about 6,000 metres.

I'm not worried about flooding myself. Just don't want my investment to be swallowed up by the ocean.

Drewbert

14th February 2007, 05:51 PM

I thought ole Al Gore said it would be four.

The sea level rise estimates in many of the reports are only from the increase of water volume due to sea temperature rises.

They don't take into account melting of ice sitting on Greenland and Antarctica.

Scientists studying in Greenland report acceleration of glacial movement and large underground rivers forming under the ice, accelerating the movement even more.

I can't remember the exact increase if the ice over Greenland melts - it's measured in metres - but it there is a catastrophic collapse of the system, causing it to suddenly all make for open waters, the sea level rise will be RAPID. Even more sore with Antarctica.

Some are looking at dumping the extra water into low lying areas like the Dead Sea, Caspian Sea and Death Valley (Nevada?) via canals as a sacrifice to save populated areas.

Rubber Duck

14th February 2007, 06:06 PM

The sea level rise estimates in many of the reports are only from the increase of water volume due to sea temperature rises.

They don't take into account melting of ice sitting on Greenland and Antarctica.

Scientists studying in Greenland report acceleration of glacial movement and large underground rivers forming under the ice, accelerating the movement even more.

I can't remember the exact increase if the ice over Greenland melts - it's measured in metres - but it there is a catastrophic collapse of the system, causing it to suddenly all make for open waters, the sea level rise will be RAPID. Even more sore with Antarctica.

Some are looking at dumping the extra water into low lying areas like the Dead Sea, Caspian Sea and Death Valley (Nevada?) via canals as a sacrifice to save populated areas.

Yes, like everyone else is going to pick up the Tab for the problems caused by the US just so they can justify doing nothing.

Dead Sea is too small. Death Valley fine, I don't have a problem with that.

As for the Caspian, the only one on the list that would have a significant impact, what about places the places on the shores of the Caspian like Baku? Do the people who are suggesting topping up the Caspian have any idea how many countries would need to be in agreement for this to happen or the size of the diplomatic challenge to get them to all agree. By comparison Kyoto would be a walk in the park!

How about building some Lock Gates at Gibraltar. That would save everything in around the Mediteranean and Black Sea. Far more cost effective solution to many Nations. In view of the diplomatic efforts made by the Bush adminstration, it is likely that other Countries would adopt the Fuck You approach as well.

sarcle

14th February 2007, 06:24 PM

I guess I just don't understand this whole thing. Maybe it's cause I'm not a scientist or an engineer.

We have the technology to desalinize water don't we? We've built a pipe-line that stretches the entire length of Canada for oil. We always read about drought in the newspapers. Now we are now learning we are going to get flooded with salt water.

Why isn't some company or government proposing a pipeline to restore fresh water to places of drought and filling lakes and rivers with fresh water? It would seem to me that this would make more sense then spending the BILLIONS of dollars we have on war.

But hey what the hell do I know.

Rubber Duck

14th February 2007, 06:29 PM

I guess I just don't understand this whole thing. Maybe it's cause I'm not a scientist or an engineer.

We have the technology to desalinize water don't we? We've built a pipe-line that stretches the entire length of Canada for oil. We always read about drought in the newspapers. Now we are now learning we are going to get flooded with salt water.

Why isn't some company or government proposing a pipeline to restore fresh water to places of drought and filling lakes and rivers with fresh water? It would seem to me that this would make more sense then spending the BILLIONS of dollars we have on war.

But hey what the hell do I know.

Desalination is a hugely expensive. The most cost effective way of getting fresh water is to collect rainwater. At the moment we manage, our water resoures very poorly. However, when some countries do more on this level, like the Chinese with their Three Rivers Gorge project, what happens? Do the they get widespread International support?

sarcle

14th February 2007, 06:38 PM

Desalination is a hugely expensive. The most cost effective way of getting fresh water is to collect rainwater. At the moment we manage, our water resoures very poorly. However, when some countries do more on this level, like the Chinese with their Three Rivers Gorge project, what happens? Do the they get widespread International support?

Yes, like I said I don't know of the costs involved and I'm not saying that it be done for free. But the way I see it is you have two products that are a result of this process. #1 Sea Salt. #2 Fresh Water. If done on a big enough scale and a tax was imposed on the citizens using this water, could it be doable? I would much rather pay a tax that goes for the good of the environment rather than giving it to a warmonger. But again I don't know the costs involved but I'm sure with the way things are going and with people starting to wisen up they would be willing to listen.

Rubber Duck

14th February 2007, 06:54 PM

This is the kind of fucked up thinking that has been preventing any real postive progress on the environment. People only see things in terms of dollars and their own paranoid perspective. If you do this you are going to burn huge additional amounts of fossil fuel which will only exaccerbate and accelerate the problem.

What we actually need is much much greater investment in safe nuclear power and we need to be getting that technology rolled out around the globe. We need to forcing power generators to scrub their CO2 and to store it elsewhere than in the atmosphere. By forcing them to do this not only do you help mitigate the release of the CO2 from fossil fuels, but you would make these fuels much less competitive. The US needs to adopt a strategic energy policy that is not reliant on invading and manipulation other countries in order to persue its cheap energy policy. So far all this has achieved is to nearly destroy the US Automobile Industry. But in future you can be assured it will further damage competitiveness in many other areas.

History will show that Bush's two fingers to Kyoto not only signalled the demise of the Planet's ecology but marked the high point of US economic dominance. All down hill from here on in!

One crucial thing is that the West has failed to grasp is you cannot expect to be able to freeze Carbon Emissions at the current levels. Not only do total emission need to be smaller but they will inevitably need to more equally distributed. It not unreasonable for China and India to want to product three times as much CO2 as the US. The only way that is sustainable is for the US to emit much much much less.

sarcle

14th February 2007, 07:00 PM

This is the kind of fucked up thinking that has been preventing any real postive progress on the environment. People only see things in terms of dollars and their own paranoid perspective. If you do this you are going to burn huge additional amounts of fossil fuel which will only exaccerbate and accelerate the problem.

Whoa, first of all like I said I'm no scientist and I'm no engineer. Second, as far as fucked up is concerned I haven't seen any other proposals from anywhere. Third, like I have stated from the beginning I have no idea what it takes. So don't lay blame on me or anyone else that's in the dark about the whole thing.

Rubber Duck

14th February 2007, 11:29 PM

Sorry, just frustrated from a lifetime of watching all the talking heads making the decisions.

If you go to one of these global summits, how many of the tossers discussing our future have any real grasp of even the basic science behind the problems?

We get all this shit about recycling! We collect bottle to be melted down to make new glass. Why the only sodding thing of any value in glass is the energy required to melt it down in the first place. The energy consumed collecting it probably outweighs the benefits of the saving made from melting down more sand.

We could and should be recycling glass but the first thing to do would be to introduce a standard wine bottle which everyone uses, that could be recycled as is by cleaning the bloody thing. Any non-standard bottles should be taxed! That would be meaningful recycling. Why has the EU not standardised a wine bottle? God only knows! They have even standardised a bloody banana to ensure they all have the correct degree of curvature!

sarcle

15th February 2007, 01:18 AM

Sorry, just frustrated from a lifetime of watching all the talking heads making the decisions.

No Problem, it's cool to vent just remember I'm not the enemy. Wow this thread has digressed hasn't it.

Anyways, what pisses me off the most, is now that we are all learning fast about global warming and it's effects it's sort of dumped on "my generations" lap like we had something to do with it. It's like we've been given the keys and told, "Here you go guys. Guess what? We fucked up the environment and knew we were doing it. Deal with it."

So now we see shows on the Discovery channel, about what's supposed to happen and this and that. Along with the misinformation that's been given to the public for the last 20 years. And the average person is just supposed to know what to do.

It amazes me that we can do all of these things, technology and like you said even shape fruit to our liking. But we have no legitimate answer on how to control this very real problem.

touchring

15th February 2007, 03:35 AM

Desalination is a hugely expensive. The most cost effective way of getting fresh water is to collect rainwater. At the moment we manage, our water resoures very poorly. However, when some countries do more on this level, like the Chinese with their Three Rivers Gorge project, what happens? Do the they get widespread International support?

They use reverse osmosis for sea water today. Pushing sea water through filters, the sodium gets trapped, and out comes fresh water.

The sea level rise estimates in many of the reports are only from the increase of water volume due to sea temperature rises.

They don't take into account melting of ice sitting on Greenland and Antarctica.

Scientists studying in Greenland report acceleration of glacial movement and large underground rivers forming under the ice, accelerating the movement even more.

I can't remember the exact increase if the ice over Greenland melts - it's measured in metres - but it there is a catastrophic collapse of the system, causing it to suddenly all make for open waters, the sea level rise will be RAPID. Even more sore with Antarctica.

I think the ice masses has started melting - no snow Tokyo - Jakarta submerged in water. Places under the sea level like New oleans will become more dangerous to live in.

Ever watched the Day After Tomorrow? Politicians bluff and cover up all the time. No one wants to take responsibility, hoping the problem will go away until the term ends. But until they can no longer bluff, they will "draw the red line" - evacuate everyone below the line. ASAP!

rhys

15th February 2007, 03:39 AM

No Problem, it's cool to vent just remember I'm not the enemy. Wow this thread has digressed hasn't it.

Anyways, what pisses me off the most, is now that we are all learning fast about global warming and it's effects it's sort of dumped on "my generations" lap like we had something to do with it. It's like we've been given the keys and told, "Here you go guys. Guess what? We fucked up the environment and knew we were doing it. Deal with it."

.

Great! Just according to my generation's master plan!

sarcle

15th February 2007, 04:56 AM

Great! Just according to my generation's master plan!

Well it definitely wasn't mine. We inherited all of this mess that we are trying to fix that our forefathers created. And that's not just on global warming either. If you want me to list a few issues I can. Let's see what we got dealt. Racism, Homophobia, Bigotry the list goes on and on.

Obviously our generation can't solve these issues through our governments yet because too many of the older generations still vote. So we are dealing with them the only way we can. Socially.

And things are beginning to change. But it's amazing how many of the older generation folk still believe in all of that bullshit. Hell, most still believe global warming is a myth that the liberals created to derail democracy.

Then they have the nerve to wonder why we are so "apathetic" to their problems.

touchring

2nd April 2008, 10:41 AM

I use a combination of several affiliates.

I use DTI, Adbrite, Aebn.net, and AsianFriendFinder. So far everything is working well. I'd like to drop the DTI and go with a different Japanese Adult affiliate but there aren't too many options. I personally think DTI is way to diluted in the Japanese market.

Hi Sarcle, this site doesn't work now? By the way, besides DTI, what do you use?

I've tried aebn.net -> practically useless. AsianFF works (i mean the cents come in) but it will take time to accumulate enough for the cheque, you can check with jose for details. :)

Valdeam

4th December 2008, 07:19 AM

They use reverse osmosis for sea water today. Pushing sea water through filters, the sodium gets trapped, and out comes fresh water.

I think the ice masses has started melting - no snow Tokyo - Jakarta submerged in water. Places under the sea level like New oleans will become more dangerous to live in.

Ever watched the Day After Tomorrow? Politicians bluff and cover up all the time. No one wants to take responsibility, hoping the problem will go away until the term ends. But until they can no longer bluff, they will "draw the red line" - evacuate everyone below the line. ASAP!

That's definitely not good news for me! I'm in South Florida. I'm going to end up living underwater. If I dig into the soil, within about 7-8 feet I'm already in water. Isn't that phucked up?

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