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Rubber Duck
16th February 2006, 09:16 AM
I have to say that I am getting the impression that I am being totally ripped off by both Namedrive and Sedo at the moment.

The main issue is Simplified Chinese Traffic. There seems to be growing indications that this traffic is there but neither of these services is letting us see anything more than the paltry amount that comes from North America. Even that small amount of traffic is penalised for relevance, even though it is American Webrowser being pointed at American Advertising.

I think there is growing credibility gap here, if not Chasm. I am looking for some clear evidence that we are getting transparency from both of these parking services. If they are not prepared more than buttons for clicks then that is their perogative. If the real numbers of uniques are actually being hidden from us, then in my view, that is fraud.

The bottom line is that IDN is coming. Parking services will eventually be available. If Sedo and Namedrive are not seen to be acting as honest brokers by the domain community, then their services will not be in demand even if they are eventually competitive. Some of us have very long memories.

thegenius1
16th February 2006, 09:28 AM
We should get some software that monitors actually what is going on so we can have a case, if this is actually happening , or collectively start a Idn parking service specifiaclly for IDNS

touchring
16th February 2006, 09:32 AM
Actually, the easiest way is to create a script that automatically creates a page with relevant keywords, contents (drawn from a paragraph in wikipedia), and then show Google or Yahoo ads.

My suspicion is that, very soon, they may start to ban traffic from other '3rd world countries' - that would happen when IDN starts to pickup.

I'm a Google advertiser myself, and traffic from India and Russia do not convert at all. Traffic from Latin America, East Europe (Hungary, etc) and China do convert to some extent into sales.

Rubber Duck
16th February 2006, 09:33 AM
We should get some software that monitors actually what is going on so we can have a case, if this is actually happening , or collectively start a Idn parking service specifiaclly for IDNS

Well Giant appears to be doing that and getting the traffic on what on the surface of things seems to be a very similar portfolio to my own. Some treat his figures with disbelief, but my view is that I would would sooner trust his statements than those of the Parking Services on this issue.

I by constrast am seeing sweet FA!

If someone on this forum feels that they have the ability and the resources to set up an IDN specific parking service, then I for one would be very interested!

Actually, the easiest way is to create a script that automatically creates a page with relevant keywords, contents (drawn from a paragraph in wikipedia), and then show Google or Yahoo ads.

Sounds good to me but where does someone who has no real knowledge of HTML get started.

bramiozo
16th February 2006, 09:59 AM
Sounds like something I can work on :) .

NameDrive
16th February 2006, 10:03 AM
Hi Dave,

Sorry to hear you think you're being ripped off. I can't vouch for Sedo, but I can categorically say that there is no 'meddling' going on in any way on our side as it is simply not in anyone's interests. Our earnings are intrinsically linked to the earnings in your accounts. If something is not shown in your account, there is nothing taken on our side either. There is no pre-formatting of results or manipulation of traffic. We get our earnings data from Google and simply upload it directly into your accounts.
Traffic data is purely on our side but is closely tied into Google's reporting too.

As far back as September, just a couple of weeks after launch, we were informed by a customer in China that the Chinese government was blocking our pages. I'm not sure if any of you are based in China to confirm this, but this clearly has a drastic effect on traffic. Recent controversy with the Chinese government and Google clearly doesn't help us in this matter. I believe this is the same with Sedo, Domain Sponsor and pretty much any other major parking program.

I know that the guys on your side of the fence have an inherent distrust of parking companies and we have always tried to strive against that opinion based on the behaviour of others who have gone before us. I can guarantee you that this is not an internal decision. We would gain nothing from doing so other than inspiring people to post threads like these.

IDN is certainly coming and I feel that the entire PPC industry is somehow not really ready for it. I feel that we have shown to you that we are committed to providing the best support we can with the resources we have at our disposal. However, we cannot lose focus that we are primarily a parking company with its strongest presence in the Land of the Latin Character and, with only 3 programmers and tens of projects to close, there are steps we can take to provide support for you guys, but they are still tentative first steps for the entire industry.

We will continue to work on it, but I would like to assure you again that the low traffic figures for China is in no way a conscious internal decision on our part.

Sorry for the length of this..

Ed

bramiozo
16th February 2006, 10:03 AM
Dave, why not send the traffic to your own server and test it ?

Ok, never mind, the explanation of Ed is assurance enough :) .

touchring
16th February 2006, 11:25 AM
Ok, so it's the other way round, China's blocking Sedo and Namedrive, and not the other way round. Has anyone found the reason for it on the web. Could it be something to do with 'gambling ads'?

drbiohealth
16th February 2006, 11:26 AM
Yup, the only solution here is to test the traffic at your end to get an idea.

Rubber Duck
16th February 2006, 11:32 AM
Hi Dave,

Sorry to hear you think you're being ripped off. I can't vouch for Sedo, but I can categorically say that there is no 'meddling' going on in any way on our side as it is simply not in anyone's interests. Our earnings are intrinsically linked to the earnings in your accounts. If something is not shown in your account, there is nothing taken on our side either. There is no pre-formatting of results or manipulation of traffic. We get our earnings data from Google and simply upload it directly into your accounts.
Traffic data is purely on our side but is closely tied into Google's reporting too.

As far back as September, just a couple of weeks after launch, we were informed by a customer in China that the Chinese government was blocking our pages. I'm not sure if any of you are based in China to confirm this, but this clearly has a drastic effect on traffic. Recent controversy with the Chinese government and Google clearly doesn't help us in this matter. I believe this is the same with Sedo, Domain Sponsor and pretty much any other major parking program.

I know that the guys on your side of the fence have an inherent distrust of parking companies and we have always tried to strive against that opinion based on the behaviour of others who have gone before us. I can guarantee you that this is not an internal decision. We would gain nothing from doing so other than inspiring people to post threads like these.

IDN is certainly coming and I feel that the entire PPC industry is somehow not really ready for it. I feel that we have shown to you that we are committed to providing the best support we can with the resources we have at our disposal. However, we cannot lose focus that we are primarily a parking company with its strongest presence in the Land of the Latin Character and, with only 3 programmers and tens of projects to close, there are steps we can take to provide support for you guys, but they are still tentative first steps for the entire industry.

We will continue to work on it, but I would like to assure you again that the low traffic figures for China is in no way a conscious internal decision on our part.

Sorry for the length of this..

Ed


Well thanks you that detailed response. Sedo were also given the heads up on this one and it will be interesting to see whether they have the same commitment to communicate what is actually happening.

I take you explanation at face value, but it does little to alter my view that the traffic is actually there, but we are not being accredited even with the uniques. This is having a devasting impact on the IDN reselling market at it is impossible to show which domains will attract revenue when everyone has got their act together.

If Sedo and Namedrive are not able to resolve this problem, I am sure that some enterprising members of this forum will soon do so. Once the word is out that the traffic is there then someone will want to turn it into hard bucks. Anyone who can come in first with the goods and then go onto provide a half reasonable service is likely to get my loyalty. There are not many on this forum who have any illusions about the value of cut of future earnings on my portfolio, even if the main Parking services are not interested, and you will misundestimate their site building skills at your peril.

Ok, so it's the other way round, China's blocking Sedo and Namedrive, and not the other way round. Has anyone found the reason for it on the web. Could it be something to do with 'gambling ads'?

It is the oldest trick in the book to blame the Chinese Government. Frankly, I don't buy it. If you are to believe Namedrive's explanation, then in my view the focus switches to Google!

As far as the traffic is concerned, due to previous surges, due to faulty suppression on somebodies part, I am confident that the traffic is actually there! Yes, we need to come up with a system for at least providing stats if not revenue. This would at least give us leverage into what is likely to become a protracted negociation.

On the other hand if Bramzio does come up with a parking solution, then it is likely to be a lot more eloquent than the pigs ear of site that Sedo.cn has become!

alex
16th February 2006, 11:46 AM
I've been thinking about hosting a few of my own domains as test sites for Japanese traffic.

Does anyone know whether accounts with Google US or Yahoo US will allow you to display Japanese language/market ads? Or do you have to sign up and create accounts with the local subsidiaries? I may have to call in some favors to be able to receive Japanese Yen bank transfer payments.

Olney
16th February 2006, 11:50 AM
Same account....
I'll confirm that...
I use adsense on some of my Japanese sites...

alex
16th February 2006, 11:53 AM
Same account....
I'll confirm that...
I use adsense on some of my Japanese sites...

Thanks. That's good to know. I guess I don't have any excuse not to get started right away.

Rubber Duck
16th February 2006, 11:59 AM
Yes, LOOK! The competitors are starting to line up for the start of the Great IDN Open Traffic Race.

Oh! there seems to be a little drama in Lane 1. Has Sedo pulled a hamstring??!!!

drbiohealth
16th February 2006, 12:33 PM
That's the quote of the day :)

On a serious note, I second Dave's idea to have some parking/traffic measuring system that caters specificly to our small but dynamic IDN community. Cheers!


Oh! there seems to be a little drama in Lane 1. Has Sedo pulled a hamstring??!!!

touchring
16th February 2006, 12:55 PM
btw, enom is also banned.

ok, in case everyone here thinks everything is banned in china - i've no problems accessing cnn.com, time.com, and even some porn sites. None of the websites i've created and hosted at ev1servers.net are banned in China.

For some reasons, parking services or any domain company that serves parking pages are banned??

bramiozo
16th February 2006, 01:48 PM
Why would they lie about it ? Seriously :) .

But I think the time is indeed right for a new (kind of) parking service.

Anyone in for a joint venture...

sarcle
16th February 2006, 01:54 PM
I, too, also don't see a reason for them to lie. But, I am at a fairweather stage in the game currently. I would offer my portfolio for parking to anyone that can monetize the traffic first.

touchring
16th February 2006, 01:58 PM
Why would they lie about it ? Seriously :) .

But I think the time is indeed right for a new (kind of) parking service.

Anyone in for a joint venture...

Practically all parking services are banned by China, so you may like to find out why before planning the JV.

bramiozo
16th February 2006, 02:35 PM
Practically all parking services are banned by China, so you may like to find out why before planning the JV.

You may be right ;) .

[ I can of course fake being in china...]

drbiohealth
16th February 2006, 02:42 PM
Indeed their is a void/opportunity for this kind of activity. Definitely, a way to go, though it might still take sometime to mature. Still, first mover advantage will always be there. I am in. Certainly looks promising though some homework needs to be done....

Why would they lie about it ? Seriously :) .

But I think the time is indeed right for a new (kind of) parking service.

Anyone in for a joint venture...

Rubber Duck
16th February 2006, 03:13 PM
Some interesting statistics are starting to emerge on Arabic Domains.

85% of traffic is coming from North America but absolutely, no click through at all. This could be largely speculators.

Of the the remainder, it is split between Asia and Other which I assume to mean Africa 5% to 9% but with respective click through rates of 13% and 15% even when all the Ads are in English. Prices per click are typically 3 cents.

Urdu from Asia by contrast has a 100% click through but that is probably not statistically signficant.

In summary, most of the traffic is from North America, but from an IDNers perspective that should be regarded as Junk Traffic.

Still not satifisfied with the fact that 100% of Simplified Chinese is coming from North America. I am tending to conclude that Google is not prepared to pay for traffic from China and this traffic is somehow being filtered out.

Clotho
16th February 2006, 04:35 PM
Some interesting statistics are starting to emerge on Arabic Domains.

Of the the remainder, it is split between Asia and Other which I assume to mean Africa 5% to 9% but with respective click through rates of 13% and 15% even when all the Ads are in English. Prices per click are typically 3 cents.


My understanding is that other is the category usually used for domains that are hidden behind a proxy. They will always pay low on other as this is the method most commonly used by those unscrupulous players that choose to cheat and click their own ads. Naturally the conversion rate of the Other category is abysmally low.

I am happy to see the response from Ed at Namedrive but I would like to point out a couple of things. The present income in the Parking industry may all be in the Latin scripts. However the future of the Parking industry is in IDN as IDN will be greater than LATIN by a magnitude. (just look at world language statistics for proof). This is a business and first to market with the goods gets the customer. So far Namedrive has shown some leadership in this capacity. They haven't finished the race however and since this is a business I would be forced to move to whoever could provide this service first. I will do whatever I am able to support any efforts to provide my Domains with a parking solution. Count me in Bram.

kenne
16th February 2006, 05:10 PM
I don't think Namedrive is at fault here. Bram, I want to join the JV too if we can get around whatever ban the Chinese government is doing.

Google.cn and Baidu has lots of Chinese ads, so obviously if they are penalize chinese traffic at all, they are only penalizing chinese traffic for english ads

thefabfive
16th February 2006, 05:29 PM
Bram, count me in as well. While my exposure to Chinese domains is minimal compared to most here, native ads and REAL monetization (not $0.03 per click) would obviously benefit all IDNs.

Although, I would like to give credit to Namedrive for 1. displaying IDNs in their native language on our control panels, and 2. displaying the domain name in its native language on the parked page instead of in punycode. While this is not a great technological feat, it is above what others have done. I look forward to future improvements (assuming they can keep up with the JV :) ).

Rubber Duck
16th February 2006, 06:17 PM
David,

Thanks for the heads-up! You're right that the IDN market is a very interesting market segment in the long-run, and one which we would like to be a part of. However, there are certainly challenges to developing some of the IDN markets. For one, the advertising markets there have yet to take off in the way that they have in other countries, so you'll see very few domestic ads. And if your parking service fails to translate their pages or have staff speaking the local language who can set keywords in the local language, the few clicks you'll get will be on globally-targeted English ads, and these visitors will be nearly worthless to the advertisers. Ramming poorly-targeted foreign traffic through to English advertisers is not going to help develop the local ad market!

This problem is especially difficult because Google's semantical targeting system it not set up to work with IDNs... Thus, for the many smaller parking companies who are just re-packaging Google's AdSense for Domains program rather than having their own technology, IDN domains will display completely irrelevant ads.

For example, check out these two Cyrillic domains:

http://xn--d1achc.com/ Russian for "Idea"
http://xn--90agd3afbodu.com/ Russian for "Snowboard"

On my computer, the ads displayed are identical-- and completely irrelevant. The Google AFD targeting has no idea what to do with such domains. Thus, parking pages like this are just ramming bad traffic from IDN countries through to completely irrelevant advertisers. This is not going to help others recognize the value of IDN traffic nor help develop local advertising markets in IDN countries.


One final point in regards to China: as I'm sure you've heard, most parking services (including Sedo) are currently blocked in China, which is probably why you're seeing very low traffic numbers there. Our Chinese country manager has been pursuing several channels to remedy the situation, and is actually flying down to China next month to meet with Chinese officials and try to solve the problem.

In the meantime, rest assured that Sedo remains dedicated to the long-term potential of the IDN market. We're the only parking company with native speakers of languages like Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Arabic, etc. -- a total of 18 languages currently, so that you have native speakers to help select appropriate keywords that will get maximum clicks for you AND send good traffic to the advertisers. We're also the only company to have made five-figure IDN domain sales, and the only one to offer parking pages geo-targeted for 20 different languages including Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Arabic, etc...

I hope that helps!

Best regards,
Matt Bentley

P.S: I also received your suggestion to do a story on the upswing in the IDN market and tie it in with Microsoft's decision to FINALLY implement IDN support -- this is a great idea and we'd definitely like to follow up on it. We're working with our PR agency right now to formulate a strategy, and you can look for articles to go out in our newsletter and web site over the next couple of months.


Matthew S. Bentley
CSO
_______________________________________________

SEDO.COM :: Buy and Sell Domain Names and Websites
tel (617) 758-4265 :: fax (617) 577-3983
cell (857) 205-4848 :: email: matt@sedo.com

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rhys
16th February 2006, 06:19 PM
[QUOTE=thefabfive]Bram, count me in as well. QUOTE]

If the JV includes a Japanese language solution that works, I am in!

Rubber Duck
16th February 2006, 06:31 PM
Matt,

Thank-you for your detailed reply. I have posted at www.idnforums.com for the benefit of all. I think it does clarify quite a few points. It does, however, show that Sedo and Namedrive are not delivering, whatever the problems in China. Our traffic is out there somewhere and we are not getting it, and it is parking our domains with you that is essentially the cause of that problem at the moment.

I have noticed that there is a huge amount of Adwords targeted on my domain Keywords when searching on Google.cn. I am sure that Chinese Advertisers will be more than happy paying for traffic that is directly using the Keyword in the Urls in local characters that are coming from the Chinese. The Junk traffic from North America is not even attracting click through on English Ads, so that is hardly an issue.

I am sorry, but I thought your system was actually directing us to Ads in local languages, but I might be wrong on that one. I will check up. The point is, however, resolving all these problems needs to done in parallel. It is just not acceptable for one link in the chain to start blaming the next one and using that as an excuse for doing nothing. Sedo's system can accept Chinese Keywords where Adwords exist for those Keywords. It needs to be established whether or not local Ads are being served in China for those keywords. And most importantly, if it is not, somebody needs to find out why not and do something about getting the issues resolved.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

bramiozo
16th February 2006, 07:48 PM
That's a total of five people, how many nationalities do we represent ? :)

I am Dutch to start.

drbiohealth
17th February 2006, 05:33 AM
I feel IDN market is moving ahead in the expected direction. Now the critical thing that still remains is how fast IDN.com<->IDN.IDN happens. Time factor is important.

Thanks Dave for posting Matt's reply.

Bram, go ahead it is indeed a genuine opportunity!

Raj

touchring
17th February 2006, 07:22 AM
I'm confident that Sedo can get pass China's firewall if they are willing to "negotiate" and comply with the rules, but the issue is when that will happen.

Rubber Duck
17th February 2006, 07:26 AM
I'm confident that Sedo can get pass China's firewall if they are willing to "negotiate" and comply with the rules, but the issue is when that will happen.

I agree, this is why I included the following in my response


"The point is, however, resolving all these problems needs to done in parallel. It is just not acceptable for one link in the chain to start blaming the next one and using that as an excuse for doing nothing."

touchring
17th February 2006, 07:30 AM
I agree, this is why I included the following in my response


"The point is, however, resolving all these problems needs to done in parallel. It is just not acceptable for one link in the chain to start blaming the next one and using that as an excuse for doing nothing."

Well, they already got sedo.cn - sedo.cn isn't banned in China, so i can't understand why they can't extend that to the chinese parking pages.

In terms of user friendliness, the parking websites still have a lot to learn from Google adword/adsense. It will be quite an achievement if they can achieve only 30% of the user friendliness of Google.

Internet is big business in China - 7 out of top 20 Alexa sites are Chinese, and we're talking about a doubling of internet users in just a few more years. If they do not go in now in full force - they will regret it in the future.

NameDrive
17th February 2006, 09:27 AM
Thus, for the many smaller parking companies who are just re-packaging Google's AdSense for Domains program rather than having their own technology

Ouch, Matt. Don't know why we bother. :rolleyes: Like to see Sedo's pages for those names currently.
http://sedoparking.com/search/registrar.php?domain=xn--d1achc.com&registrar=sedopark
If it's not such a technological feat, as he suggests, why are Sedo dragging their heels with their 18 language-speaking workers? I will freely admit (and have done so in the past) that we are effectively being guided by IDN forum's demands on this as we are not IDN specialists and we only speak 6 languages between us, but we will continue to plug away to provide at least a basic service.

We have posted before that to correctly interact with Google and display relevant ads (for a German IP, they render ads for 'Kosmos', so it's on the right way to Russia), we need an entire database replication and a very large amount of tech programming time. I would imagine this is the same for Sedo which should be interesting with their massive database requirements. Sedo have ten times as many tech workers as we do, so it's pretty embarrassing that, even though it's only a start, a "smaller parking company with no tech of their own" has managed to get this far (sic) first, especially having started after them. If Sedo had applied the same resources and application to it since January, they'd probably have the whole thing wrapped up by now.

Anyway, I didn't want to make this an Us vs Them thing, just didn't appreciate the dig that we effectively get Adsense in a box and put a NameDrive ribbon around it as we put a lot of work into rendering IDNs correctly for you guys.

As far as China is concerned, I think it is more the fact that it is keeping the 'outsiders' out. I believe that for a parking company or JV to truly work (without sending your representitive to see the government!), it will have to come from within. It seems they saw us as a US company syndicating Google ads and pressed the big red button.

Ed

Rubber Duck
17th February 2006, 09:42 AM
Sedo.com :: Matt Bentley wrote:

>
> Dave,
>
> A quick clarification: if you or a Sedo staff member set a local-language keyword, you will get local-language ads in the local markets. The point I wanted to make was that this is in contrast to the many smaller parking companies that use Google's automated semantical targeting system, which is unable to process IDN domain names at the moment. Thus these parking systems will always deliver irrelevant ads no matter what market the page is viewed from.
>
> I agree that the problem with parking services being blocked in China is a frustrating issue-- for domain holders as well as parking companies. Unfortunately it's also a very difficult problem-- even large portals such as Google and Yahoo have been forced to dramatically alter their offerings to avoid being blocked. If you have suggestions on what we can do to improve the situation more quickly, please feel free to send them through. Currently we have a full-time Chinese employee who is trying to leverage our partnerships with networks in the Chinese market, we've also tried asking CN Nic executives for help, and as I mentioned, will next month try flying to China to meet with Chinese officials directly.
>
> Matt

donwebcorleone
17th February 2006, 11:37 AM
i think another aspect i dont like about parking in Sedo or Namedrive is their lack of good websites in japanese, chinese, etc. You visit sedo.jp and voila! you are sent to an english website www.sedo.co.uk Namedrive is worst, it is only in english or german. i guess they forgot the rule i always use "dont expect your customers to learn english, to grab their money".

Though Sedo does have a website in Chinese, they don’t even promote it in their main websites (you never see a language tab for Chinese in sedo.com as u can see one for French, Spanish, German and English) but the worse is that sedo.cn is a Chinese website mixed with English, so I guess they are expecting bilingual Chinese customers ; ) Namedrive as I said will park your IDNs in japanese, arab, Chinese, etc but to be sold in websites in english or german to people who cant really understand the language, so they sometimes cant really see the potential value of your IDNs.

Check the mixed website of sedo.cn I guess every Chinese understand all the categories there in English…

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6883/picture64cl.png

and here namedrive language choices for their ASIAN visitors ; (

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9108/picture78lk.png

anyway my reason why i better try to sell directly in the asian market than using western parking services.

touchring
17th February 2006, 11:50 AM
Well, sedo.cn is a complete joke - i think they put english in it so that users from the West can add their "chinese" idns. I do not understand why a separate site is needed to add chinese idns.

And what about Japanese idns with Kanji in them? For pure Kanji domains, i actually add them via sedo.cn!!

drbiohealth
17th February 2006, 02:55 PM
Ed,

I personally have acomplaint against you. I wrote you an email about 7-10 days back asking you to organise my portfolio as I was not able to do so at my end. I have not yet heard from you.

Secondly, I am seeing that none of my domains work from here. I am currently based in Singapore. I get error: "This IP address is banned". Dave, I checked one of your names from here. Same story with that. I just cannot figure out if Singapore has also joined China in banning sedo, namedrive et al.. Who is banning whom?? I am confused.

Raj

bramiozo
17th February 2006, 05:17 PM
I think that we need to discriminate two things; selling and parking, if I would start to play with this I would not want the burden (nor the responsibility) of maintaining a sales venue, it would be parking and parking only. If any new idn-parking service would arise by an idnforums iniative it should be exclusive for obvious reasons, trust ,responsibility and manageability being important and moreover, the names would be of high quality.

rhys
17th February 2006, 05:30 PM
I think that we need to discriminate two things; selling and parking, if I would start to play with this I would not want the burden (nor the responsibility) of maintaining a sales venue, it would be parking and parking only. If any new idn-parking service would arise by an idnforums iniative it should be exclusive for obvious reasons, trust ,responsibility and manageability being important and moreover, the names would be of high quality.

For my part, first things first and parking is my principal interest at this point. I can wait for sales venue or outsource that. I want to understand the traffic and serve relevant content to that traffic. Not sure what the second portion of your message means exactly so could you elaborate? Thanks

Rubber Duck
17th February 2006, 06:20 PM
I think that we need to discriminate two things; selling and parking, if I would start to play with this I would not want the burden (nor the responsibility) of maintaining a sales venue, it would be parking and parking only. If any new idn-parking service would arise by an idnforums iniative it should be exclusive for obvious reasons, trust ,responsibility and manageability being important and moreover, the names would be of high quality.

I don't see that a Sales forum is required of any proposed Parking Service. My longer-term goal is not to sell domains.

I think that if such a service is launched by members of this Forum, then it should be provided with a link on the tool bar at the top if Olney is agreeable.

If you can provide a service on an acceptable fixed revenue share basis and get it up and running in a reasonable time frame, I think we could commit to parking our Hanzi and Kanji portfolio, with you for a 12 month period. I would want the perogative to review the situation after 12 months, and of course if it was shown to be a good competitive service we could look at the possibility of parking the remainder of our portfolio. As far as dividing your share of the spoils is concerned amongst partners, that would not something I would be interested in getting involved with. As far a I would be concerned you would be the Principal.

An indication of what percentage of the revenue you would be looking for and how soon you think you can get this up and running would be very useful.

If you require confirmation of this I would of course need to consult with my partner.

bramiozo
17th February 2006, 06:47 PM
For my part, first things first and parking is my principal interest at this point. I can wait for sales venue or outsource that. I want to understand the traffic and serve relevant content to that traffic. Not sure what the second portion of your message means exactly so could you elaborate? Thanks

Exclusive in the sense that I would want to serve the larger HQ portfolio's.

(all assuming I can do it of course, it's still just an idea)

Rubber Duck
17th February 2006, 06:53 PM
Exclusive in the sense that I would want to serve the larger HQ portfolio's.

(all assuming I can do it of course, it's still just an idea)

I don't really have a problem with that, but then perhaps we would not qualify and frankly until we get a parking service that works, how do any of really know our portfolios have what it takes.

bramiozo
17th February 2006, 06:54 PM
I don't see that a Sales forum is required of any proposed Parking Service. My longer-term goal is not to sell domains.

I think that if such a service is launched by members of this Forum, then it should be provided with a link on the tool bar at the top if Olney is agreeable.

If you can provide a service on an acceptable fixed revenue share basis and get it up and running in a reasonable time frame, I think we could commit to parking our Hanzi and Kanji portfolio, with you for a 12 month period. I would want the perogative to review the situation after 12 months, and of course if it was shown to be a good competitive service we could look at the possibility of parking the remainder of our portfolio. As far as dividing your share of the spoils is concerned amongst partners, that would not something I would be interested in getting involved with. As far a I would be concerned you would be the Principal.

An indication of what percentage of the revenue you would be looking for and how soon you think you can get this up and running would be very useful.

If you require confirmation of this I would of course need to consult with my partner.

Dave, I have no idea what timeframe I am looking at, I would have to brainstorm a bit on what's possible. I can't say anything about a revenue percentage because that's dependent on the method of parking (at least in the way I see it).

I'll throw some idea's at you when I have something tangible :) .

I don't really have a problem with that, but then perhaps we would not qualify and frankly until we get a parking service that works, how do any of really know our portfolios have what it takes.

Let's forget that, I first need to know if it's possible, if I have anything that can be tested, everyone on the forum is invited :) .

first things first

donwebcorleone
18th February 2006, 02:21 AM
i see Sedo/Namedrive parking more for sales, after all what can the parking services offer me than i cant do myself with my asian IDN when they dont even pay special attention to the markets im interested, i mean Japan or China? it is easier for me to get an account with japanese affiliates than to give them a high percentage of PPC just to "park" or should i say "to park for they to forget my IDN".

I guess if u dont have a few dollars more to invest in hosting, they are okay. just a matter of money.

another thing I intend is what another japanese domainer i met in a japanese forum is doing, i mean to hire chinese university freshman students to work on his sites, considering you can hire them paying like $200 per month (some greedy bastards pay them even less but im not such an evil person to pay $100/month), this will mean a cheap investment to have people working full time 8hours/5 days a week doing content as well as marketing my IDNs in many other chinese websites, directories, blogs, forums, etc. At this stage for me hiring students is better ROI than adwords focused to China for what i intend.

This japanese guy is doing great. i guess im gonna "copycat" him he he he :p For what i pay registering a single and sometimes bad chinese IDN .com $8, i can have someone working all day in my many other good IDNs increasing their value.