Some Russian stats for the doubting Thomases

[Rubber Duck]

This is just a single domain.

If its growth is just down to Opera, then Opera will be the only browser in Russia by the end of next year.

Of course then there is always the perennial bot chestnut.

[rofsjan]

Good PPC on october the 17th.
Btw, .net is taken too.

[Rubber Duck]

Yours?

I rather suspect it has higher traffic than the dot com.

[rofsjan]

No, it is not mine.

I rather suspect it has higher traffic than the dot com.

I think so too.

[555]

Originally Posted by rofsjan

Btw, .net is taken too.

lol, Very taken.

[yanni]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

If its growth is just down to Opera, then Opera will be the only browser in Russia by the end of next year.

Of course then there is always the perennial bot chestnut.

Here's one that's actually hosted.

See if you can interpret the stats (some visual aids provided)

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Can you spell O-p-e-r-a ?

[thefabfive]

Yanni, are you trying to confuse us with facts?

[Rubber Duck]

Nevertheless there is no evidence that Opera usage is growing in tandem with traffic growth. From what I have seen it progress has been gradual but not particularly stunning. The biggest change recently has been the displacement of IE6 with IE7. The latter of which has never been picked up properly by Google for their stats. Even then you have to be a bit wary because Google represents such a small slice of the market. Perhaps we need some info on correlations between search engine usage and browser usage. Perhaps most Opera users also Google, whereas perhaps IE users use Yandex.

Interesting stats though, thanks for posting.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by thefabfive

Yanni, are you trying to confuse us with facts?

Frankly, this really proves nothing. Unless we know what tracking software is being used, and how many domains are presented over what period and how many hits on average equal a visit, this could just be a signature from the most common Russian bots.

Nevertheless it is a useful contribution and does help members build up a picture.

[yanni]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Nevertheless there is no evidence that Opera usage is growing in tandem with traffic growth.

There are more people getting on the net every day. That's where most of your traffic growth is coming from, re: Russia.

Same goes for Bulgaria, Ukraine and most all RF republics.

BTW, following this thread: http://idnchannel.com/forums/general...com-idn-2.html
you mentioned you wanted proof that it was Russian Opera that did all this, here's some latest visits from today's stats on the same domain (cut and paste since the data is so much that I can't print the screen, plus coloring is mine):

Host: 81.200.24.143

Http Code: 200 Date: Oct 18 07:26:42 Http Version: HTTP/1.1 Size in Bytes: 29193
Referer: -
Agent: Opera/9.52 (Windows NT 5.1; U; ru)
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Host: 86.57.214.196

Http Code: 200 Date: Oct 18 07:07:22 Http Version: HTTP/1.1 Size in Bytes: 29193
Referer: -
Agent: Opera/9.21 (Windows NT 5.1; U; ru)
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Host: 77.35.167.216

Http Code: 200 Date: Oct 18 07:08:26 Http Version: HTTP/1.1 Size in Bytes: 29193
Referer: -
Agent: Opera/9.24 (Windows NT 5.1; U; ru)
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Host: 80.93.113.246

Http Code: 302 Date: Oct 18 06:43:46 Http Version: HTTP/1.1 Size in Bytes: 394
Referer: http://www.xn--l1ajb.com/
Agent: Opera/9.60 (Windows NT 5.1; U; ru) Presto/2.1.1
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Host: 83.219.139.40

Http Code: 302 Date: Oct 18 06:35:37 Http Version: HTTP/1.1 Size in Bytes: 394
Referer: http://www.xn--l1ajb.com/
Agent: Opera/9.52 (Windows NT 6.0; U; ru)
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[Rubber Duck]

No, I don't buy that argument either.

The Russian Internet is growing fast but at nothing like the rate of my IDN traffic.

[yanni]

As I mentioned on "that" thread:

I personally have proof, and I know that the main reason Cyrillics get mucho traffic is because of Opera.


But I do have a theory: If I show you proof, you won't buy it anyways

And Mo, yes, what was I thinking?

[Rubber Duck]

What I want to know is how any of this explains the traffic surges that follow press releases, like when the Russian parliament got up and spoke about them. I just don't see why this means people would more frequently mistakenly put search terms into the address bar to have the dot com appended. Any views on this are of course welcome.

Originally Posted by yanni

As I mentioned on "that" thread:



And Mo, yes, what was I thinking?

[Drewbert]

Does Opera have any russian targeted download buttons/banners? I'd like to offer it to Russian visitors to my ASCII sites.

[IDNCowboy]

Originally Posted by Drewbert

Does Opera have any russian targeted download buttons/banners? I'd like to offer it to Russian visitors to my ASCII sites.

How did your other firefox campaign turn out? (last year)

[yanni]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

What I want to know is how any of this explains the traffic surges that follow press releases, like when the Russian parliament got up and spoke about them. I just don't see why this means people would more frequently mistakenly put search terms into the address bar to have the dot com appended. Any views on this are of course welcome.

Much like the traffic to your domain that you posted above which is mostly looking for zaycev.net but they're ending up to your domain.


Apparently, most enter зайцев in the address bar and they end up to you. How else do you think they're getting there? Also, since Russians have been using Opera for sometime now, I'm sure many of them, as they become more seasoned users, eventually figure out that all they have to do to get to a page is stick the keyword in the address bar and hit enter.

Noob users on the net behave strangely. Just think back how you started. When I did (and I hated computers then) I would find a site that I liked, and when I wanted to go back I would go to AltaVista and plug in the name of the site trying to find it like that. Of course I would have to go through pages of results sometimes because it wasn't always where I'd found it last time.
Then, I would notice the url and plug that in Altavista to find the site. Until I learned about the bookmark function, and eventually figured out that I could stick that baby in the address bar and hit enter ('cause in those days IE and Netscape would append the .com in the end). Much like Opera is doing today.

I bet if we ask the guy who owns зайцевнет.com to plug it in, we'll get some enlightening facts...

On top of this, you started the thread posting parking stats for a domain which we all know gets bleed traffic from the ascii.net and you use it to establish your theory that...what? IE7 is on the rise in Russia?

The more the ascii net gets popular, the more traffic you'll have to your domain.

I have plugged in a few of my Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians and the browser stats are similar except when there's traffic from the se's.(Thats when I see higher levels of IE and Firefox.) Over 90% of the traffic to my hosted Cyrillics is using Opera.

But I'd like to hear your theory with some evidence of course, not the example above.

And one more thing: We've all known for sometime now that Japanese and Russian sites like to brand their biz using their local script. So locals search for these sites using their script of course. How then is it that Cyrillics get shitloads of traffic and Japanese (in their majority) don't. Because the Japanese don't use Opera as much

The Japanese user ends up at Google or Baidu results pages and the Russian ends up at ours. Except for the few who actually type in the extension as well.


So Drew, you don't need a Russian download button. You need everything else, but.

[Rubber Duck]

To be fair my original web experiences were a complete disaster but I put it down to AOL. After I binned them things picked up quite a bit.

What it did show me was that everyone was trying to direct you to their bloody products.

[Drewbert]

Originally Posted by IDNCowboy

How did your other firefox campaign turn out? (last year)

I got a free t-shirt out of it

When FF started non-whitelisting IDN com/net, I switched to offering Safari. Now they're pretty much doing the same, so it's time to fly Opera's flag for a while.

[Drewbert]

Originally Posted by yanni

So Drew, you don't need a Russian download button. You need everything else, but.

Well, I'll take anything I can get